1. Post #161
    Gadget | TF2M's Avatar
    July 2012
    806 Posts
    Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!

    Let me begin by stating the main requirements for the voting: it has to be fair for all entries, it also has to be convenient (quick and easy) for the voter and a ranking must be computable from it.

    with 9 and 10 it seems counter intuitive that the item that no one rated positively is considered better than one 400 people rated positive, even if the net score prefers the former.

    I think that may only be fair if it is assumed that all items were viewed by the same number of people and the amount of people "voting neutral" is taken into account. However, that would nullify the rule, "In the final case, when two items have the same amount of points and the same ratio, the item with more votes gets the higher ranking." If we assume the same number of people see each item, then two items of equal proportion will have both the same total votes (obviously) and the same max votes.
    It may seem unfair if you only look at the positive votes, yes. However, the negative (and neutral) votes are being considered here as well by calculating the points for each entry. The neutral votes can be left out of the equation, though. When a positive vote adds 1 point and a negative vote subtracts 1 point, a neutral vote adds 0 points and therefore doesn't change the value. To make sure that each item is viewed by the same number of people the order of items will be randomized for each user. Sure, people can still quit after viewing only a few items which leads to a slight error margin but due to the randomizing this cannot be seen as a bias towards certain items. As for the last rule, I forgot to mention that it's only the positive votes that are considered in that case, as you can see in the code snippet.

    Another problem stems from my interpretation of how the voting will take place. I'm interpreting it as the voter looks at each item individually and votes to Like or Dislike the item (with the third option of not choosing either rating by either an explicit way to "skip," "ignore," "neutral vote," etc. or by refreshing or exiting the browser). This leads to situations where two items are considered good enough to not downvote, but if given the choice, voters would prefer one to win over the other.
    Your interpretation is correct, there is only a Like and Dislike vote (or skip) for each item. Like I said in the beginning the voting has to be quick and easy. The more choices you have the longer you have to think about it. If the system was based on a handful of judges this wouldn't work but it's a community voting with hundreds or possibly thousands of votes. The website has had about 25k visitors so far. Only 10% of that would already be 2.500 voters. I have doubts that we'll get that many people to vote but who knows - it still has to be considered.

    comparing the two items
    Keep in mind that we have contracts and there is a winner for each contract. So you won't have to compare a wrench to a gun. I understand the concern of not being able to state a preference of liking one item more than another. For that case the Steam Workshop has the "Favourite" button but for the sake of simplicity and time I'm not going to implement that.

    Two part system
    Introducing a two part system adds a huge layer of complexity to the whole process not only to the code implementation but also for the voter. For this to be fair the user would have to compare every item with every other item which exponentially increases the time and number of user interactions required to cast the votes. Like I said, one of the requirements is convenience for the user, otherwise people will only cast a few votes or not vote at all.

    A 5 star rating might be an alternative but it has a big flaw that's why I'm not using it and surely one of the reasons why they removed it from the workshop. Let's say you love an item and give it the highest rating and the next day another item comes up that you love even more. What rating are you supposed to give it since you've already used the maximum on the previous item? So again there is your problem of not being able to express your preference in that case. For this to work correctly you would have to consider and compare every single item at once which is impossible to do especially if there is new items being added in the future.

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    Let me also add that voting will require a login through Steam. While that goes against the requirement of convenience it helps minimize the risk of vote manipulation and allows to maybe raffle off some prizes amongst the voters (no guarantee I'm doing that but it's a possibility).
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  2. Post #162
    Kitt Stargaze's Avatar
    April 2016
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    ~snip~ wrong place...

  3. Post #163
    Nyanomachines's Avatar
    April 2014
    75 Posts
    Hey folks. Been a while since I've done anything for TF2 but I thought Arms Race is the perfect chance to find some of my old concepts a good home and hopefully get some more done!
    Here's some old stuff:

    A pump-action rifle designed to fit shotgun animations and presumably be multi-class


    A soldier secondary rocket launcher pistol thing, made to fit Bison hold and firing animations but requiring a new reload (a new rocket is affixed to the front)


    A hunting pistol with the Scout's Shortstop animations in mind, but could conceivably work with the Flaregun or even the unused tranq gun animations.

    I'm still somewhat new at this so comments and criticism are always welcome!
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  4. Post #164
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    All great (especially the rocket launcher pistol thing)

    Here's an idea

    A two headed Baseball bat (it looks like a Y)
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  5. Post #165
    chandlerj333's Avatar
    January 2015
    1,748 Posts

    Here's an idea

    A two headed Baseball bat (it looks like a Y)
    Y?
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  6. Post #166
    Johnny Joe's Avatar
    October 2014
    2,339 Posts

    Here's an idea

    A two headed Baseball bat (it looks like a Y)
    like this?

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  7. Post #167
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    like this?

    Exactly (only it splits off further down)

    Here's another Scout Melee

    A Dakimakura with a baseball bat handle like this



    Only with Miss Pauling, the Fried Chicken Tramp or the Engie (NEEDA DISPENSER HERE)
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  8. Post #168

    August 2015
    69 Posts
    Flying bowling pin concept I came up with

    Claimable
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  9. Post #169

    October 2012
    20 Posts
    A few random unclaimed things:

    Flintlock styled flare-gun for the Pyro, the Firebug's Flintlock:


    Ridiculously Large Knife for the Sniper, the BMFK:

    I could try my hands on these 2 (when it is ok for you)

  10. Post #170
    Gold Member
    kibbleknight's Avatar
    November 2010
    4,657 Posts
    I could try my hands on these 2 (when it is ok for you)
    From what i can see you don't really have any experience with modeling, so i'm sorry, but no.

  11. Post #171
    "Sounds like something Stiffy would say."
    Stiffy360's Avatar
    May 2011
    5,664 Posts
    Are you guys still taking submissions? I made this neat gun in hammer

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  12. Post #172

    July 2013
    1,671 Posts
    Are you guys still taking submissions? I made this neat gun in hammer
    i'm too impressed to even laugh
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  13. Post #173
    "Sounds like something Stiffy would say."
    Stiffy360's Avatar
    May 2011
    5,664 Posts


    I got it compiled!

    Using itemtest loads pistol texture onto it

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  14. Post #174
    Pagliacci's Avatar
    November 2013
    1,624 Posts


    I got it compiled!

    Using itemtest loads pistol texture onto it

    I hope this wins first place in every category
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  15. Post #175
    Cufflux's Avatar
    April 2013
    1,280 Posts


    I got it compiled!

    Using itemtest loads pistol texture onto it

    I think you get your own medal for that
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  16. Post #176
    TWKUK's Avatar
    January 2013
    590 Posts
    he actually did it, the absolute madman
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  17. Post #177
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    he actually did it, the absolute madman
    I don't get it, can somebody clue me in?

  18. Post #178
    TheFORBIDDENF's Avatar
    April 2016
    209 Posts
    I don't get it, can somebody clue me in?
    hammer is a program to make a map in tf2 or any source engine game it is not meant to make 3d models let alone a working weapon.
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  19. Post #179
    blueNES's Avatar
    April 2014
    1,886 Posts
    Exactly (only it splits off further down)

    Here's another Scout Melee

    A Dakimakura with a baseball bat handle like this



    Only with Miss Pauling, the Fried Chicken Tramp or the Engie (NEEDA DISPENSER HERE)
    Are you guys still taking submissions? I made this neat gun in hammer

    I love this Arms Race already
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  20. Post #180
    demilicious~!'s Avatar
    October 2015
    227 Posts


    I got it compiled!

    Using itemtest loads pistol texture onto it

    Texture it with cp_orange
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  21. Post #181
    "Sounds like something Stiffy would say."
    Stiffy360's Avatar
    May 2011
    5,664 Posts
    MOD DOWNLOAD GUYS!

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  22. Post #182
    Kitt Stargaze's Avatar
    April 2016
    1,489 Posts
    MOD DOWNLOAD GUYS!

    Makes me want that Revolver with the extremely long barrel Jack Nicholson has in the first live action Batman movie to shoot down the Batwing next heh:

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  23. Post #183
    jnkns's Avatar
    March 2017
    279 Posts
    Makes me want that Revolver with the extremely long barrel Jack Nicholson has in the first live action Batman movie to shoot down the Batwing next heh:

    60% less damage falloff, but 50% slower draw and holster speed?
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  24. Post #184

    July 2013
    1,671 Posts
    Let me know if anything is unclear about the rules or how to submit your work.
    i just pm'd you the zip.
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=952058413


    free movie

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  25. Post #185
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    1 Duck's Avatar
    January 2007
    1,214 Posts
    Great concept that Pisstol, but god it would be overpowered if it granted minicrits. Imagine a heavy, medic and sniper walking into a crowded area.

  26. Post #186
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    Knife idea: This



    With a sharpened Heel to stab with

    Taunt would have the Spy take a big whiff of it
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  27. Post #187
    Sidewings's Avatar
    October 2016
    63 Posts
    I can already hear ragequiting Spies.
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  28. Post #188
    hello
    DatHarry's Avatar
    October 2011
    6,781 Posts
    Knife idea: This



    With a sharpened Heel to stab with

    Taunt would have the Spy take a big whiff of it
    this is vile
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  29. Post #189
    TWKUK's Avatar
    January 2013
    590 Posts
    With a sharpened Heel to stab with

    Taunt would have the Spy take a big whiff of it
    you had me and then you immediately lost me
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  30. Post #190
    Johnny Joe's Avatar
    October 2014
    2,339 Posts
    With a sharpened Heel to stab with

    Taunt would have the Spy take a big whiff of it
    why

  31. Post #191
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    The shoe smelling taunt isn't necessary and I didn't think the idea would be so taboo for you guys

    How about some Bullet Ant Gloves for the Heavy?


    Or one of these gloves for the Medic?

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  32. Post #192
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    August 2013
    1,952 Posts
    You should go about thinking of weapons differently.

    Look at a gun and think how you could make it interesting,

    Don't look at a random object or something on TV and think how you could turn it into a weapon.
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  33. Post #193
    Dim
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    September 2013
    243 Posts


    Another concept for the arms race :)
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  34. Post #194
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts

    Look at a gun and think how you could make it interesting,

    Don't look at a random object or something on TV and think how you could turn it into a weapon.
    Not really much of a firearms expert



    How about an Owen Gun for the Sniper?

  35. Post #195
    VernoGuy's Avatar
    June 2012
    1,380 Posts
    Engineer building concept: Speed Pad.



    This would be a teleporter replacement that gives allies that stand on it a speed boost. The speed boost would fad out over a short time, but will also be stopped if the player uses any weapon or takes any damage. It could be beneficial for shorter distances or situations in which teleporters exits keep on getting destroyed.

    Edit:

    I'm curious about the late ratings. Has someone already made a speed pad concept/model for TF2?
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  36. Post #196
    Serge Ivanov's Avatar
    July 2016
    651 Posts
    Not really much of a firearms expert



    How about an Owen Gun for the Sniper?
    I feel like for this to work the magazine would have to be angled hte other way to keep it from obstructing the view

  37. Post #197
    truteal's Avatar
    May 2017
    67 Posts
    Googling Weird Firearms is fun

    This



    For the Spy http://www.genitron.com/Unique-Handg...queezer-Pistol



    Also for the Spy



    For the Scout



    For the Sniper (with the Mercenary from TF2 classic carrying the end)
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  38. Post #198
    Dim
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    September 2013
    243 Posts
    Googling Weird Firearms is fun

    This

    http://www.genitron.com/Unique/Turbiaux-Palm-Pistol.jpg

    For the Spy ttp://www.genitron.com/Unique-Handgun/24/Turbiaux-Palm-Squeezer-Pistol

    https://thechive.files.wordpress.com...ns-weird-8.jpg

    Also for the Spy

    http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/201...rms_640_13.jpg

    For the Scout

    http://reynosawatch.org/minstrel/wp-...g-long-gun.jpg

    For the Sniper (with the Mercenary from TF2 classic carrying the end)
    You should go about thinking of weapons differently.

    Look at a gun and think how you could make it interesting,

    Don't look at a random object or something on TV and think how you could turn it into a weapon.
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  39. Post #199
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    January 2012
    451 Posts
    xpost from emporium 66


    engie revolver for arms race
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  40. Post #200
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    October 2014
    208 Posts
    Gonna try to finish before the deadline.



    Guess I'll post a small update. The Grenade launcher and PPSH were almost done but we ran into a problem with the animations so we gotta redo the anims completely. Sadly they're gonna take a bit more time to upload.
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