1. Post #1
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    Around 350 businesses in Britain have been named and shamed by the Government for underpaying thousands of workers a total of nearly £1m.

    It is the biggest ever list of the national minimum wage and living wage offenders produced by the Business Department since the policy of “naming and shaming” was announced in 2013.

    Excuses for underpaying workers included using tips to top up pay, docking wages to pay for Christmas parties, and making staff pay for their own uniforms.

    Across the UK, 360 companies underpaid their employees a total of £995,233, with employers in the hairdressing, hospitality and retail sectors the most prolific offenders.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7582726.html
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    How is that possible? How does that happen? Are there really people out there other than Philip J Fry who are willing to accept being paid under minimum wage?
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    Comparing this with the shit that goes on in the us makes for an interesting image.

    Like shit, a government that actually shames companies for mistreating workers? Instead of colluding openly with corporations? What a novel concept.
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    How is that possible? How does that happen? Are there really people out there other than Philip J Fry who are willing to accept being paid under minimum wage?
    Excuses for underpaying workers included using tips to top up pay, docking wages to pay for Christmas parties, and making staff pay for their own uniforms.
    Fucking typical.
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    Across the UK, 360 companies underpaid their employees a total of £995,233
    Am I reading this right, or that is basically nothing given the size of the economy ? I mean look at this example... lol.

    Among the offenders high street retailer Debenhams was accused of failing to pay almost £135,000 to just under 12,000 workers. The company said it made a technical error in its payroll calculations, which resulted in an average underpayment of around £10 per person to affected workers in 2015.
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    February 2009
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    Fucking typical.
    The tips and paying for your own uniform is bad, but I can see their angle.

    The docking of pay for christmas parties is atrocious though and probably criminal.

  7. Post #7
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    July 2010
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    I remember when the minimum wage increased in Scotland and it took my old company 3 months to update my pay and never paid me the difference in what I was owed.

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    Am I reading this right, or that is basically nothing given the size of the economy ? I mean look at this example... lol.
    It shows just how shocking their pay is if skimming £10 off your workers monthly salary results in them being paid under minimum. Also bare in mind workers on this wage pay minimal/no income tax, are well below the national living wage and will have to rely on the government handouts to make it through each month.

    The greed of these businesses is resulting in an lower quality of life for the workers along with an increasing strain on our social security service equivalent
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    It shows just how shocking their pay is if skimming £10 off your workers monthly salary results in them being paid under minimum. Also bare in mind workers on this wage pay minimal/no income tax, are well below the national living wage and will have to rely on the government handouts to make it through each month.

    The greed of these businesses is resulting in an lower quality of life for the workers along with an increasing strain on our social security service equivalent
    When I worked for the same company I mentioned I had to live with my parents. My travel costs were over £6 a day and my monthly expendable income didn't exist; all went on food

  10. Post #10
    Dennab
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    I worked minimum wage in the uk and pretty much had all i needed and then some

    Saved like 1500 quid in three months

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    July 2010
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    I worked minimum wage in the uk and pretty much had all i needed and then some

    Saved like 1500 quid in three months
    How many hours did you work though? The region I am from generally asks for x years of experience for anything that is not a 10-15 hour a week thing with shitty pay. It's why most people leave as soon as they can

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    Why aren't these companies being fined? They're just saying who does it and not doing anything about it...
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    Fucking typical.
    I worked for a local amusement park when I was 16, they charged me $60 for a uniform, all it was was a polo shirt with their god damn name on it, I was paid minimum wage, never got a raise, and the whole god damn summer it was hot af, sitting in the sun.

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    How is that possible? How does that happen? Are there really people out there other than Philip J Fry who are willing to accept being paid under minimum wage?
    There are some people (like my mother) who thinks that, what you earn is something deeply private. So they'll never find out that their emplyer is fucking them in the arse

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    How is that possible? How does that happen? Are there really people out there other than Philip J Fry who are willing to accept being paid under minimum wage?
    They tend to obscure it so you don't realise and don't mention it.

    One of the more common ways is smaller businesses docking 10% of your hours for breaks you aren't allowed to have, especially in the service industry, so you end up at below minimum wage.

  16. Post #16
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    The tips and paying for your own uniform is bad, but I can see their angle.

    The docking of pay for christmas parties is atrocious though and probably criminal.
    What angle is that? Neither can be justified. The employer should provide all that is required to perform the job, especially the uniform, given that they're the ones demanding it be worn.

  17. Post #17
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    I worked minimum wage in the uk and pretty much had all i needed and then some

    Saved like 1500 quid in three months
    Where? If I took my wage down south I'd be homeless.

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    Where? If I took my wage down south I'd be homeless.
    I thought the Brexit meant no more immigration from north to south?

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    There are some people (like my mother) who thinks that, what you earn is something deeply private. So they'll never find out that their emplyer is fucking them in the arse
    On top of this, some employers have gone to the length to make it against policy to talk about pay openly with coworkers. And since its the cultural norm to not talk about pay, nobody challenges it. But in the US at least, those policies are illegal and have been since 1935. I'm sure most western nations have similar laws.
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    The lower classes are completely fucked here.
    Nobody wants you on welfare, the welfare system is designed to be impossible to live on for any length of time, and yet finding a job that actually pays the minimum wage, let alone a wage you can live on is like winning the fucking lottery.
    So even if you do tirelessly search for a job, you are more than likely just looking for a way to significantly lower your income while suddenly incurring travel expenses etc and losing all financial support.

    Perhaps instead of 'naming and shaming' them, something should be done about it?

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    Fucking typical.
    making staff pay for their own uniforms.
    reminds me, just yesterday I went to a business networking thing and met a dude who manages for a limo company in the area. Sent the info to a friend who's driven in the past and has been looking at uber for opportunities lately, and he immediately told me who owned the company and that you have to lease a limo from the company for 400/week in order to drive it, and you're required to drive 6 full workdays a week

    like dude what

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    reminds me, just yesterday I went to a business networking thing and met a dude who manages for a limo company in the area. Sent the info to a friend who's driven in the past and has been looking at uber for opportunities lately, and he immediately told me who owned the company and that you have to lease a limo from the company for 400/week in order to drive it, and you're required to drive 6 full workdays a week

    like dude what
    thats just like those shady vacuum/kitchen knife sales jobs you see ads for on craigslist where you gotta buy what youre gonna be selling for the company

  23. Post #23
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    Nobody wants you on welfare, the welfare system is designed to be impossible to live on for any length of time, and yet finding a job that actually pays the minimum wage, let alone a wage you can live on is like winning the fucking lottery.
    So even if you do tirelessly search for a job, you are more than likely just looking for a way to significantly lower your income while suddenly incurring travel expenses etc and losing all financial support.
    People see how folks can scrape by on benefits yet get completely fucked when employed in some zero hour, min wage job and somehow think "hmmmmm the benefits are too generous, let's cut them into the ground".
    It's getting to the point where people have full time jobs yet still have to apply for tax credits and housing benefit.

  24. Post #24
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    People see how folks can scrape by on benefits yet get completely fucked when employed in some zero hour, min wage job and somehow think "hmmmmm the benefits are too generous, let's cut them into the ground".
    It's getting to the point where people have full time jobs yet still have to apply for tax credits and housing benefit.
    Yeah man I fucking I hate that attitude.
    If your job pays less than welfare, there's something wrong with your job, not with welfare. Why work to make everyone equality as miserable when you could instead be working to improve things for everyone?. Just makes no sense to me.

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    reminds me, just yesterday I went to a business networking thing and met a dude who manages for a limo company in the area. Sent the info to a friend who's driven in the past and has been looking at uber for opportunities lately, and he immediately told me who owned the company and that you have to lease a limo from the company for 400/week in order to drive it, and you're required to drive 6 full workdays a week

    like dude what
    When I worked an auto shop for my first job, I had to pay a $10 fee each pay period to pay for uniform rental and cleaning. Now, granted, that's not obnoxiously expensive, but when you were making 7.75 an hour part time, it felt like a kick in the gut to basically lose an hour of work just to have the privilege to work.
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