It makes sense now.
So psyched for easier suppressed guns, this is my dream (skip to 2:05). You could plink all day without a care.
A suppressor is functionally identical to a muffler on a car. It doesn't make it whisper quiet, it just lowers the noise level to something more tolerable.
I hope this passes.
I dont really shoot ever so idk, but with a lot of things like this wouldn't it just be better to raise awareness of how much it can affect your hearing? could just be a lot of people don't realise just how MUCH damage it can do in the long run and it's way better than forcing people to wear muffs when they dont want to
this seems like its in the same vein as taxing cigarettes to save lives, its not really gonna stop anyone if they really want to
You can say what you want about how they're advertising the bill, but at the end of the day it's a big deal. Most headphones on the market reduce noise by about 30-32 decibels, with earplugs in combination with that only providing another 2 on top of it (remember decibels are compounding). As a life long shooter I've always worn ear pro, even through out my time in the military shooting everything from your basic handgun on the range to a minigun from a helicopter. I still suffered hearing loss and have oh so awesome tinnitus.
Putting things into prospective approximately every 3 decibels the audible noise that we hear doubles. Thats why we can barely hear anything below 40db in a normal setting and normal conversation is around 60db. A lawn mower produces around 90db and a rock concert produces around 120. With that in mind, and remembering that roughly every 3 decibels the volume is double of what it was, a gunshot falls between 140db - 190db depending on the firearm. Once you hit 140db thats instant damage to your hearing, regardless of duration. Anything above 80 decibels can also damage your hearing under prolonged exposure.
So now that the basic science is out of the way, lets get back to our headphones. How loud the gun actually is is dependent on a number of factors (such as the bullet size and weight, barrel length, etc) , not just the size of the round. Those kind of things are why a 9mm 5" pistol can clock in at 160db while a 30-06 26" Rifle brings a score of 156db. Lets push things to the upper limit, say an 18" .357 carbine which brings in about 170db. At 170db even with headphones AND earplugs you're still above the 140db range which equals instant hearing damage.
That's just one example. Plenty of other people have mention the other reasons, such as hunting or indoor shooting. Tons of people do not wear ear pro because they prefer the situational awareness of not wearing hearing protection, which can make all the difference for a successful hunt (remember not all game is the same).
Beyond the hearing benefits there's also noticeable benefits in terms of recoil and muzzle flash. For a hunter the muzzle flash can make all the difference, as a hunt at dawn or dusk means low light levels. Low light plus muzzle flash equates to being essentially blind for a good bit. Recoil is also a big deal, as a .300 win mag kicks quite a bit more than a .308, and significantly more than a .223. Hard recoil equals flinching, flinching equals misses.
Lastly, most suppressors bring you just below instant damage with most firearms and cartridges (and on some applications, aren't even below 140db). That's enough to not instantly damage your hearing if your hunting or accidentally shoot without ear pro, as well as supplement your current ear pro.
Of course .22's are the exception, being down to around 117db, but that's still almost as loud as a rock concert.
not to mention, when you're hunting the last thing you want to be wearing is something to muffle sounds. good way to get mauled by a bear.
not like suppressors really quiet down a report that much anyway. there are some exceptions (delisle carbines are the quietest guns ever made, clocking in around 85 db, which they manage to do with the help of some extremely heavy and slow moving ammo pushed through what is probably the largest suppressor ever used by any military) but for the most part with normal off the shelf ammo you're still looking in the 120-130 db range
Shouldn't be hard to get a suppressor IMO.
* the guy who invented it called it that so idgaf, you haters can take it up with one of the most prolific firearms engineering families in history
He's an idiot, and that's all there is to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with having a suppressor and everything to do with the fact that he's too stupid to care about his hearing.
"silenced" (correct term suppressed) shots from a weapon are still crazy fucking loud.
The only benefit you'd gain from committing murder with a suppressed weapon is perhaps if you were in an active warzone, or a precise enough sharpshooter to plug someone from a half-mile with a subsonic round.
Two things for this thread:
Just because you don't doesn't mean you get to say other people can't. Don't like guns and gun accessories? Don't buy them. Your opinion of whether or not we should have them is irrelevant against the US Constitution, and no amount of entitlement changes that. You're welcome to try to change that, though, just don't tread on my rights in the interim.
Hearing protection with pass-through microphones are a thing. Real people use them in real world situations, from hunters, to SWAT teams, to recreational shooters. It allows natural noise at the actual level pass through, or even be amplified, whilst limiting the upper volume so as to not exceed hearing-damaging levels of noise.
I shoot 3 gun,uspsa,NRA long range/F-class and IDPA in a slow year I shoot 10k+ rounds. I can't shoot suppressed at those matches however I can at home or at the range anything I can do to cut down on noise is a welcome addition.
I currently have 4 suppressors (AAC 7.62 SDN-6, Rebel SOS-22,SilencerCo Osprey 45 and an AAC titan-QD) the "quietest" out of those is the SOS-22 at 118Db Avg which is still fucking loud but not loud enough to fuck up my ears for the rest of the day if my earpro isn't on fully which I consider a win. I also consider it a win if while boar hunting someone shoots before everyone has earpro on with a .300Blk or .458 or .50 beowulf and my ears don't ring for the rest of the day
I'd say this gun would work for squirrels, and maybe small game but with a human it would take lucky/skilled shot placement to kill with few rounds.
Its most effective purpose would be pests and having fun shooting targets.
$200 tax stamps on suppressors wouldn't stop someone who really wanted to have a suppressed weapon illegally anyways, making your own out of shit you can find in your average garage is trivial