1. Post #41
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    August 2012
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    most dog breeds have changed for the worse, not just pugs. a lot of this is because of people breeding for show dogs instead of working dogs

    german shepherds


    st bernards


    dachshunds


    mixed-breed dogs, breeds with less mutations (flat faces, dwarfism, excessively long faces, etc), and dogs from popular breeds but from working lines have much less issues.

    something i found a while ago about dog breeders that kind of disgusts me is that dogs can be in almost any color, but those that don't have "breed standard" colors are considered inferior, even if they are perfectly healthy. people will insist that a dog has to be mixed breed, or that a dog is from a puppy mill or something if the dog is a non-standard color

    a white lab


    fawn corgi


    silver lab


    piebald husky


    blue german shepherd


    any dog can be born with a "chimera" mutation that gives them random black spots. it's completely normal but they are also considered inferior
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    something i found a while ago about dog breeders that kind of disgusts me is that dogs can be in almost any color, but those that don't have "breed standard" colors are considered inferior, even if they are perfectly healthy. people will insist that a dog has to be mixed breed, or that a dog is from a puppy mill or something if the dog is a non-standard color

    a white lab

    fawn corgi

    silver lab


    piebald husky


    blue german shepherd


    any dog can be born with a "chimera" mutation that gives them random black spots. it's completely normal but they are also considered inferior
    [/T]
    The worst part about this is that some breeders kill 'abnormal' dogs because they aren't like the rest.
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  3. Post #43
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    I recommend breeding a pug with a yellow lab. You end up with a yellow lab that's always small(but not tiny) without the breathing or eye problems pugs get. My ancient fat dog is one(probably) and still gets confused for a puppy.
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  4. Post #44
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    bull terriers also used to look hella cool before someone decided to ruin them

    That doesn't even look like a dog, it looks more like a horribly mutated rabbit who got injected with gerbil DNA.
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  5. Post #45
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    german shepherds
    i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?

    honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out
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  6. Post #46
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    can you circumcise a pug, but like, a full body circumcision? get rid of some of those excess rolls
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  7. Post #47
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    bull terriers also used to look hella cool before someone decided to ruin them

    That dog's head is going to end up a zenomorph in a few years.

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  8. Post #48
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    Her heart is fine, she doesn't have high blood sugar or diabetes, all of her blood work comes back fine. She's just fat and beautiful.
    Do you fuck your dog.
    You have to come clean, we're your family.
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  9. Post #49
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    Do you fuck your dog.
    You have to come clean, we're your family.
    Define fuck
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  10. Post #50
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    Dennab
    October 2012
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    that pug reminds me of..... myself


    when i try to drink vodka after that one specific night in 2014

  11. Post #51
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    snip

  12. Post #52
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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    i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?

    honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out
    It depends on whether they're bred for show or bred for work. Ones bred for work still look like the left because that's the healthiest and hardiest way for a German Shepherd to be.
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  13. Post #53
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    what the heck, these dogs look cool as fuck, i would love a blue german sheppard or a fawn corgi.
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  14. Post #54
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    Dennab
    August 2009
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    A guy I know owns a German Shepherd crossbreed I'm not sure what the other breed is, but he's an extremely healthy and strong dog, probably more so than a German shepherd purebreed.
    I hate pedigree breeders so much. They don't even love dogs, they're going against the very nature they pretend to love.

    Edited:

    Oh yeah his dog is a blue one too he's hairy as fuck but so nice. He needs a harness though, because he's so energetic. And they called him Bandit.

  15. Post #55
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    st bernards
    Whats wrong with them?

  16. Post #56
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    Whats wrong with them?
    Cankles, i think.

  17. Post #57
    Postal loves money.
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  18. Post #58
    BOUGHT A DRAGON DILDO X
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    It looks like a can of paint exploded next to this dog

    Looks really cool, though.
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  19. Post #59
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    what the heck, these dogs look cool as fuck, i would love a blue german sheppard or a fawn corgi.
    the corgi looks like a weird rabbit

    still cool though

  20. Post #60
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    On the cat-side of things, the Persian breed also used to have a nose before it was squashed.




    Edited:

    Wtf they even inbreed the big cats


    As if the excessive inbreeding isn’t enough, white tigers are sometimes crossed to lions to give white (pale yellow really) ligers.
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  21. Post #61
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    My relative has 2 pugs and one of them, the older, has tongue so long that it cannot retract it back into it's own mouth and you can see quite the portion of it from the top being completely dried out because of it. Also I cannot stay with them in one room because whenever I hear them breathe, it just sounds like suffering to me.
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  22. Post #62
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    I have asthma and fucking hate when I can't breathe properly. It's something most people take for granted. Seeing dogs suffer like that really stresses me out.
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  23. Post #63
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    bull terriers also used to look hella cool before someone decided to ruin them

    what kind of sick person thinks that the modern terriers and pugs look better than the previous ones? wtf
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  24. Post #64
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    I can almost see what they were going for with Bull Terriers, but they just look like monsters now.
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  25. Post #65
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    blue german shepherd
    I want one of these now
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  26. Post #66
    A man chooses, a slave obeys.
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    i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?

    honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out
    From what I understand German Shepards can be bred for two different reasons, work and show. The work lineage (Think police dogs) have stayed healthy while the show dogs have the problem you see above.
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  27. Post #67
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    My dad and I went to the vet with my cat one time, got stuck in the waiting room with one of these sitting right beside us.

    It was 10 minutes of complete silence along with a dog sounding like it was constantly being choked to death, but judging by how the owner didn't really care this was its natural state. Really sad.
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  28. Post #68
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    bull terriers also used to look hella cool before someone decided to ruin them

    yo what the fuck, that's fucked up

    this just proves that humans have shit taste tbh, because that old bull terrier looks like it could fuck shit up, unlike the mutated rabbit/dog hybrid thing on the right
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  29. Post #69
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    i've.. never seen a german shepard that looked like that in person before?

    honestly all the ones i've seen looked more like the left one these days. not saying its not an issue but thats just weird to find out
    I don't think show line german shepards are common (thankfully).

  30. Post #70
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    I always find discussions as this fascinating, and some of you who comment here seem to know quite a bit about this, so is it okay if I ask a couple of questions?

    Is selective breeding necessarily a bad thing? If you had a large enough gene pool and didn't just inbreed them, and you went in to actually "optimize" the animals health and potential lifespan etc, instead of focusing on aesthetics only, wouldn't selective breeding then be a good thing?

    Is it to late to save the pugs? Could one save the race over a long period of selective breeding where one mixed in a more "healthy" race of dogs? Could the pugs fix their own problems over a long enough time-span, if given the chance to breed freely among themselves?

  31. Post #71
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    I always find discussions as this fascinating, and some of you who comment here seem to know quite a bit about this, so is it okay if I ask a couple of questions?

    Is selective breeding necessarily a bad thing? If you had a large enough gene pool and didn't just inbreed them, and you went in to actually "optimize" the animals health and potential lifespan etc, instead of focusing on aesthetics only, wouldn't selective breeding then be a good thing?

    Is it to late to save the pugs? Could one save the race over a long period of selective breeding where one mixed in a more "healthy" race of dogs? Could the pugs fix their own problems over a long enough time-span, if given the chance to breed freely among themselves?
    Well, if you look at 'working' breeds of dogs, who were bred to perform a job, rather than 'aesthetic' breeds, you tend to find that the average health and life expectancy of a purebreed is considerably higher. But yes, if we want to 'keep' the approximate appearance of a pug whilst making them healthier, it'd be best to breed them with similar, yet genetically diverse dogs to encourage greater variety and try to 'weed out' negative traits.
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  32. Post #72
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    blue german shepherd
    I never knew Shephards could get that coloration; they look like wolf-dogs at that point.

    Big floofiers, I want one.
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  33. Post #73
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    We turned this:


    in to this:



    why??
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  34. Post #74
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    I always find discussions as this fascinating, and some of you who comment here seem to know quite a bit about this, so is it okay if I ask a couple of questions?

    Is selective breeding necessarily a bad thing? If you had a large enough gene pool and didn't just inbreed them, and you went in to actually "optimize" the animals health and potential lifespan etc, instead of focusing on aesthetics only, wouldn't selective breeding then be a good thing?

    Is it to late to save the pugs? Could one save the race over a long period of selective breeding where one mixed in a more "healthy" race of dogs? Could the pugs fix their own problems over a long enough time-span, if given the chance to breed freely among themselves?
    Selective breeding is fine when done properly to fit a role that isn't just "this looks good!"

    A post I made in a similar thread:

    There are some breeders who are experimenting with healthier breed combinations. They are very few and far in between though. A lot of purebred kennel clubs vilify these breeders.

    Check out the Albany Basset Hound and the Leavitt Bulldog! Those are much healthier alternatives to the existing breeds.

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  35. Post #75
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    vanity is a very dominating quality in humans
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  36. Post #76
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    My bulldog used to have this problem, he eventually found that sleeping on his back allows him to breathe properly and get a good sleep. As cute and great as Bulldogs and other flat faced dogs are, I do believe we should stop breading them, luckily for me my Bulldog is 9 years old and never had any of the common flat faced dog problems, however he is now getting Arthritis in his back legs due to his unnatural body shape.

  37. Post #77
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    From what I understand German Shepards can be bred for two different reasons, work and show. The work lineage (Think police dogs) have stayed healthy while the show dogs have the problem you see above.
    Even most working breed GSDs have hip problems, just not as pronounced. My family had one, a former police dog, whose hind legs got pretty weak as he got older, but I was relieved to find out that it apparently isn't painful (according to the vet at least).

    We turned this:


    in to this:



    why??
    One will eat your face while the other one just kind of looks funny.
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  38. Post #78
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    Well, if you look at 'working' breeds of dogs, who were bred to perform a job, rather than 'aesthetic' breeds, you tend to find that the average health and life expectancy of a purebreed is considerably higher. But yes, if we want to 'keep' the approximate appearance of a pug whilst making them healthier, it'd be best to breed them with similar, yet genetically diverse dogs to encourage greater variety and try to 'weed out' negative traits.
    Selective breeding is fine when done properly to fit a role that isn't just "this looks good!"
    Sounds like people put to much pressure on selective breeding being wrong then. All it actually comes down to is a bunch of people going for the wrong traits in their animals, which probably means that it won't ever stop being a thing.

  39. Post #79
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    I don't think anyone thinks selective breeding itself is wrong, just the motivations behind it.

    Selective breeding should be done to increase the longevity of a domestic animal, rather than just to create cute or aesthetically pleasing traits which do nothing but cause harm. On that note too, you CAN still breed for certain aesthetics without actively harming the health of the animal but until the "dog show standard" becomes vilified itself, things likely won't change.

    It's up to the big show circuits like Eukanuba and Crufts to understand that parading what are essentially inbred mutants around that are likely going to die prematurely from health complications is not something to be celebrated.
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  40. Post #80
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    blue german shepherd
    dude

    that is the coolest fucking dog I've ever seen

    why the hell is that considered inferior? I want ten
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