1. Post #1721
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    Okay but here's the thing about Skyrim's colour.

    In the imagespaces / post-process filters and shit, there's an option for tint. And for daytime they just made it a shitty brownish-grey and set the opacity of the tint to ~60%. They changed the tints to red and oranges for sunsets and sunrises, but once the post process shit is removed, you see a lot of colour.

    Granted, because of the fucked up kind of mix in contrast, brightness, and white balancing, it's still all ugly as hell, but there's colour at least.

  2. Post #1722
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    I had to make it in black and white because color is expensive.
    I don't think you understand it at all, colourful and vibrant isn't just slapping colours all over the place and turning things into puke like 60's.

    You have to consider how colours interact with each other, balance it out accordingly.


    Sorry to crash your attempt at making edgy sarcastic post, but you have much to learn.

    Pretty sure something like Witcher 3 wasn't cheap, alas they even changed the direction and made it more colourful, did you even see an article where CDPR devs talked about challenges they had with creating Day/Night cycle and how everything had to be done correctly? No I bet you haven't.

    Okay but here's the thing about Skyrim's colour.


    In the imagespaces / post-process filters and shit, there's an option for tint. And for daytime they just made it a shitty brownish-grey and set the opacity of the tint to ~60%. They changed the tints to red and oranges for sunsets and sunrises, but once the post process shit is removed, you see a lot of colour.


    Granted, because of the fucked up kind of mix in contrast, brightness, and white balancing, it's still all ugly as hell, but there's colour at least.
    If you type 'teofis' in console in Skyrim it removes imagespace effects, there are mods which reduce imagespace too. The game suddenly becomes more vibrant, but there are some mods that also tweak it too much and everything is way too bright and it's an eye sore to look at, individual assets would need to be tweaked accordingly.
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    Okay but here's the thing about Skyrim's colour.

    In the imagespaces / post-process filters and shit, there's an option for tint. And for daytime they just made it a shitty brownish-grey and set the opacity of the tint to ~60%. They changed the tints to red and oranges for sunsets and sunrises, but once the post process shit is removed, you see a lot of colour.

    Granted, because of the fucked up kind of mix in contrast, brightness, and white balancing, it's still all ugly as hell, but there's colour at least.
    I wish I knew how to make Skyrim as colorful as it should be, but it's like the grittiness is so baked in it can never be removed. The desaturated grit is in the very textures.
    I don't reckon I can ever make Skyrim a colorful, light game like Oblivion was and that's a huge bummer. If Skyrim gets ported to thenext TES game's engine I hope they take the opportunity to improve it rather than just keeping it the same.

  4. Post #1724
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    Skyrim has too much contrast, everything is too dark, too many crushed black colours, then there are too many super bright colours too, overall the image isn't balanced well at all.

    Also Skyrim's diffuse textures are incredibly dark to compensate for HDR overblowing things.

  5. Post #1725
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    If you type 'teofis' in console in Skyrim it removes imagespace effects, there are mods which reduce imagespace too.
    Oh yeah, I do know about that. But then the game looks too flat.

    I wish I knew how to make Skyrim as colorful as it should be, but it's like the grittiness is so baked in it can never be removed. The desaturated grit is in the very textures.
    I don't reckon I can ever make Skyrim a colorful, light game like Oblivion was and that's a huge bummer. If Skyrim gets ported to thenext TES game's engine I hope they take the opportunity to improve it rather than just keeping it the same.
    I edited RLO's weathers. I'm actually going to slowly make a new lighting mod for SSE with everything redone.



    This is one of the currently completed weathers (~7:30am game time)
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  6. Post #1726
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    I think that's the article on Witcher 3 weather system that I remember seeing, I said Day/Night cycle by mistake but it's very similar, the more things you have to consider the harder it is to balance everything out.

    http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featur...reenshots.aspx

    This stuff is science.

  7. Post #1727
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    http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/80993/?

    oh fuck yeah time to get back into skyrim boy
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  8. Post #1728
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    This discussion on art direction has been great and i would like to encourage more of it in this thread.    But i just want to nitpick for the future: it's not 'fantastical,' it's just 'fantastic.' Just like it isn't horrifical or artistical.   

  9. Post #1729
    the fuck is this?
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    http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/80993/?

    oh fuck yeah time to get back into skyrim boy
    Is it SE compatible?
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  10. Post #1730
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    This discussion on art direction has been great and i would like to encourage more of it in this thread.    But i just want to nitpick for the future: it's not 'fantastical,' it's just 'fantastic.' Just like it isn't horrifical or artistical.   
       Probably to make it unidentic to the mean of 'fantastic' meaning 'immensely praiseworthy'.   
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  11. Post #1731
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    Skyrim's CC still isn't as terrible as Fallout 3's at least. Fallout 3 was just green mush.

  12. Post #1732
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    If you look at the Death Dealer painting, look at the proportions of that horse, heavy bulky, looks just like the ones in Skyrim

    But what I'm talking about, they didn't exactly copy Frank Frazetta, they merely borrowed his design language.
    Skyrim needed large horses that would look good with a heavily armored player on it, obviously they're going to go for the look of a Clydesdale horse, one that looks beefy enough to be a warhorse and also just "untamed" enough to fit Skyrim's rugged world. I don't think Franks work at all is an inspiration to Skyrim to any real extent. It's a common idea, big horse for big warriors; that's not unique to Frank Frazetta's work. Neither is horns on helmets or axes; those are common in Norse art and stereotypes respectively, and obviously Skyrim would utilize both horned helmets and axes for that reason, not because of one piece of Frazetta work among thousands that incorporate elements not seen in Skyrim like chain mail bikinis.

    Edited:

    I think Skyrim concept artists are far more likely to look at, you know, real life beefy horses rather than one artist's work; Frank's horse isn't beefy because of his artstyle, its because he, like Skyrim's artists, wanted a horse that seemed logical for a heavily armored rider. I see no connection between Frank's art that shows through more than a regular photo of a large horse and Skyrim's horse.
    It could also be like with the rest of the game which draw inspirations from norse mythology and scandinavia. I think the skyrim horses bear resemblances with the north swedish horse.
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  13. Post #1733
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    it was ganerumo i dont have recording software
    I also do not have recording software and have never made a video in my life. It was another guy whose name escapes me.

    Yeah I remember, didn't he post a full album on IMGUR retelling the whole experience? It was something.
    I did that though, and it wasn't for porn, it was for paid mods.
    http://imgur.com/gallery/qFlFa
    http://imgur.com/gallery/bqcla

    I even got to write an article on those, which caused one of the mod creators showcased in the album to throw a massive tamper tantrum both on the article's comment section and on their own website.
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  14. Post #1734
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    I also do not have recording software and have never made a video in my life. It was another guy whose name escapes me.
    My mistake then, sorry.
    I even got to write an article on those, which caused one of the mod creators showcased in the album to throw a massive tamper tantrum both on the article's comment section and on their own website.
    THAT GUY WAS SALTY AS FUCK oh my god.
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  15. Post #1735
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    It's a chick, if I recall, but yeah, the victim complex is real.

    I like how she immediately claims her mod was singled out when it's just one of like ten I rail on.

  16. Post #1736
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    This is someone's modlist somewhere out there. I'm 100% sure I could recreate this screenshot in Skyrim.

    Edited:

    The central female is the player character, women in the back are two companions, dude on the ground is a bandit covered in other creatures found in Skyrim's wilderness, the setting would be somewhere around Whiterun because too far down is a swamp and too far up is snow, the bow is a standard longbow

    this is literally an afternoon at loverslab with some body replacers and fnis
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  17. Post #1737
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    It's a chick, if I recall, but yeah, the victim complex is real.

    I like how she immediately claims her mod was singled out when it's just one of like ten I rail on.
    I think they kind of have a point that you didn't check out the player house when that was probably where most of the effort and attention to detail was spent on, but still, talk about over reacting.

  18. Post #1738
    Killed postal with a fart once.
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    And let's include this ENB with our modlist for extra accuracy

    Edited:

    This failure to merge was my fault and I have no excuse

  19. Post #1739
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    Earlier games like Oblivion they do. For whatever reason, Orc armor design is now Japanese.
    Did you play Morrowind? Orc armour used to be samurai armour straight up, no ifs or buts.
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  20. Post #1740
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    I don't think you understand it at all, colourful and vibrant isn't just slapping colours all over the place and turning things into puke like 60's.

    You have to consider how colours interact with each other, balance it out accordingly.


    Sorry to crash your attempt at making edgy sarcastic post, but you have much to learn.

    Pretty sure something like Witcher 3 wasn't cheap, alas they even changed the direction and made it more colourful, did you even see an article where CDPR devs talked about challenges they had with creating Day/Night cycle and how everything had to be done correctly? No I bet you haven't.
    My post was exactly what you said it was: an attempt at making edgy sarcastic post. In no way does it express my understanding or interpretation of what you're saying, please don't take it so seriously. I agree that it takes a lot more time and effort to create a fine balance of colors as opposed to the right mix of greys. I would like to think Bethesda made the decision to make it look how it did for artistic choices instead of time/budget constraints.

  21. Post #1741
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    Does Skyrim have any DnD style enchanted items like boots of blinding speed? Oblivion?

  22. Post #1742
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    Does Skyrim have any DnD style enchanted items like boots of blinding speed? Oblivion?
    Not really no, the enchantments are rather passe in Skyrim, you won't find anything too crazy like the Boots of Blinding Speed, just mediocre items with slight stat increases or some that increase damage output.
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    Does Skyrim have any DnD style enchanted items like boots of blinding speed? Oblivion?
    Oblivion has a ring, that if you wear it, sets you on fire.
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  24. Post #1744
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    Does Skyrim have any DnD style enchanted items like boots of blinding speed? Oblivion?
    Unlike Skyrim though Oblivion did have quite a few interesting items, namely one set of boots that I very much enjoyed called the Boots of Springheel Jak, which basically increased your acrobatics skill by a significant amount and let you survive insane amounts of fall damage, or the Staff of the Everscamp, which basically put a curse on you and forced you to travel with 4 completely useless noisy killable but would respawn scamps until you got the quest done to reverse it and break the staffs enchantment.

    It's just they kept watering down the enchantments with each iteration, you could still go pretty crazy in Oblivion, not as crazy as Morrowind but it was still a great system, but after Skyrim it was watered down to almost meh degrees, we barely have anything amazing item wise anymore.
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  25. Post #1745
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    Oblivion has a ring, that if you wear it, sets you on fire.
    There's also the Ring of Burden which, in typical Gamebryo fashion, doesn't actually use a Burden enchantment and instead just weighs a metric fuckton.
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  26. Post #1746
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    There's also the Ring of Burden which, in typical Gamebryo fashion, doesn't actually use a Burden enchantment and instead just weighs a metric fuckton.
    Hairy naked drunk nords are somehow forging little rings from collapsed stars.
    Magic yo.

  27. Post #1747
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    Does anyone else feel really sad when they join the Empire? Logically it's the most sound thing as far as I know for actually winning vs the Thalmor, since a stabilized Skyrim removes a thorn in the side of the Empire, helping them to recover quicker from the war for the upcoming and likely final conflict.

    But it just feels so terrible, like you're showing up to this country to slaughter the natives and destroy their cultural ways purely on the whims of someone else who will gut you the second you're done with it.

    I can never actually start it. Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture since people tend to jump on your throat when you side with the stormcloaks.

  28. Post #1748
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    Does anyone else feel really sad when they join the Empire? Logically it's the most sound thing as far as I know for actually winning vs the Thalmor, since a stabilized Skyrim removes a thorn in the side of the Empire, helping them to recover quicker from the war for the upcoming and likely final conflict.

    But it just feels so terrible, like you're showing up to this country to slaughter the natives and destroy their cultural ways purely on the whims of someone else who will gut you the second you're done with it.

    I can never actually start it. Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture since people tend to jump on your throat when you side with the stormcloaks.
    If it makes you feel any better, it's completely pointless regardless who you choose. :^)

  29. Post #1749
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    If it makes you feel any better, it's completely pointless regardless who you choose. :^)
    Oh I know :^|

    Still, first time around I joined the stormcloaks because "woah cool nords! big sword! fus rodah!!" now it's more of a moral thing. Even though I may be entirely in the wrong, but shit's hazy you know.

  30. Post #1750
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    Oh I know :^|

    Still, first time around I joined the stormcloaks because "woah cool nords! big sword! fus rodah!!" now it's more of a moral thing. Even though I may be entirely in the wrong, but shit's hazy you know.
    Same, first time escaping helgan was with SC but their blatant racism turned me off and I've always gone Empire since.
    (Not counting all the OTHER reasons worth wiping them out for.)
    "SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!"
    "No, Skyrim belongs to the imperial legion that are still protecting you even though you are fighting them."
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  31. Post #1751
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    A quote from Black Hawk Down comes to mind "You know what I think? It don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit... just goes right out the window."

    cause holy shit I've seen a fair few combat mods and all of them turn into a complete shitshow of death and despair when you have to do those big ass fights in the war. I mean when you're not getting mega griefed its like I prefer killing stormcloaks cause I love yelling "I killed hitler!" but otherwise its just about getting hit and hitting shit with a stick.

  32. Post #1752
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    Does anyone else feel really sad when they join the Empire? Logically it's the most sound thing as far as I know for actually winning vs the Thalmor, since a stabilized Skyrim removes a thorn in the side of the Empire, helping them to recover quicker from the war for the upcoming and likely final conflict.

    But it just feels so terrible, like you're showing up to this country to slaughter the natives and destroy their cultural ways purely on the whims of someone else who will gut you the second you're done with it.

    I can never actually start it. Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture since people tend to jump on your throat when you side with the stormcloaks.
    I always thought it was funny that right as the game came out every one would side with the Stormcloaks and call people who sided with the Empire idiots, but after everyone realized that the Stormcloaks were super nationalist and xenophobic, it flip flopped.


    I do like that aspect of the civil war though. Its not a black and white conflict, each side has positive and negative aspects. Its a shame the actual representation of it in game was so shitty.
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  33. Post #1753
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    honestly if beth just backed off a little on the racism it'd probably make the choice harder

  34. Post #1754
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    My post was exactly what you said it was: an attempt at making edgy sarcastic post. In no way does it express my understanding or interpretation of what you're saying, please don't take it so seriously. I agree that it takes a lot more time and effort to create a fine balance of colors as opposed to the right mix of greys. I would like to think Bethesda made the decision to make it look how it did for artistic choices instead of time/budget constraints.
    I'm sorry then, I may just over judged your post at the first glance because sometimes it's harder to figure if someone makes fun out of you or just making fun of the situation, that's just the internet for me.
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  35. Post #1755
    the fuck is this?
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    Oblivion has a ring, that if you wear it, sets you on fire.
    oblivion also has boots that let you walk on water.
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  36. Post #1756
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    Don't forget spell creation.

    God damn I miss Obsidian.
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  37. Post #1757
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    Don't forget spell creation.

    God damn I miss Obsidian.
    What does that have to do with anything ?
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  38. Post #1758
    Ott
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    What does that have to do with anything ?
    They'd make a better TES game

  39. Post #1759
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    What does that have to do with anything ?
    Just looked it up, apparently Obsidian didn't make Oblivion.

    The last ten years of my life is a lie.
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  40. Post #1760
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    I keep coming back to Morrowind (OpenMW) but I keep getting put off by the horrendous movement, getting stuck on random edges constantly. Is there a movement rewrite? that lets me at least smoothly slide along walls when I walk into them?

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    automerge hates me tonight
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