1. Post #1
    I wish I was as cool as Felix :)
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    Protesters shut down the westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge just east of Treasure Island. Protesters announced just before 4 p.m. they had shut down Bay Bridge traffic heading into San Francisco. They posted photos of several protesters chained to cars stopped across the bridge.

    Members of protest groups Black Seed and the Black Queer Liberation Collective took responsibility for the protest in a statement, citing recent police shootings.

    "We are here to move towards an increase in the health and wellbeing of all Black people in Oakland & San Francisco," the groups wrote in a statement. They are demanding divestment of city funds in policing, investment in affordable housing, the resignation of Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf, the termination of San Francisco police Chief Greg Suhr and Oakland police Chief Sean Whent and the termination of police officers involved in several recent shootings.
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    By now, three of the lanes have been reopened, but all of the protesters are still on the bridge, having been detained and moved to the side.
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  2. Post #2
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
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    Ugh.
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    Dennab
    November 2007
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
    I don't think they're trying to convenience these people. I don't agree necessarily (don't care tbh) with how they're doing this, but it's pretty obvious the point of this was attention. Maybe they believe the ends justify the means.

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    San Fran does have a poor problem, but it doesn't matter what creed you are, you're poor you're poor.
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    Protest on city Hall, not on the Bridge. Guess what... you are doing what #BlackLivesMatters does and they have become a joke.
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    They are demanding divestment of city funds in policing, investment in affordable housing, the resignation of Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf, the termination of San Francisco police Chief Greg Suhr and Oakland police Chief Sean Whent and the termination of police officers involved in several recent shootings.
    Because that's realistic. The only decent thing in there is the complaint of housing costs, which are bullshit. The demand to cut policing, fire the mayor, police chiefs, and all officers that discharge their weapons are crazy. Lethal force should not be a choice between "Should I risk being killed, or end my career?".
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
    Wow it's almost like they're protesting or something
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    Wow it's almost like they're protesting or something
    wow it's almost like they completely miss the point with these protests.

    what does blocking a bridge have to do with protesting that the police chief and the mayor of oakland should resign?

    if they want to protest, they should be doing it at the police department or the city council, not a bridge.

    do you know why mlk jr and civil rights activists protested at diners and bus stops? because they segregated and refused to serve black people. protesting at these venues because they directly contributed to the problem at hand was an effective plan because these businesses would lose a lot of money. what does protesting on a bridge with people who have nothing to do with your cause do?
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    Protest on city Hall, not on the Bridge. Guess what... you are doing what #BlackLivesMatters does and they have become a joke.
    Yeah but that would make sense (also they might not even much attention this way). This protest is really dumb though, in the 60s protests were much less disruptive to daily life, they could take a few lessons from history.
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
    Worked for MLK.
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    Wow it's almost like they're protesting or something
    Their behavior doesn't make me want to support their cause, it makes me want to support long term sentences of people who block off major roadways, potentially putting people in danger.
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    Wow it's almost like they're protesting or something
    I forgot the point of protesting was to turn yourself into the villain, not the entity you're protesting.
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    I forgot the point of protesting was to turn yourself into the villain, not the entity you're protesting.
    A lot of people hated MLK for his protests though.
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    White kids with dreads. Always a staple of protests
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    A lot of people hated MLK for his protests though.
    The racists he was protesting against?
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    A lot of people hated MLK for his protests though.
    but they still had some sort of effect, whether to raise support or otherwise impact the enemy. MLK inspired controversy, meanwhile the response to these protests are pretty much unanimously negative

    they didnt even put their banners anywhere they'd be easy to read and not get blown around in the wind (ie the back of their cars) I'd be amazed if this "protest" had even five minutes of planning or thought put into it, rather than just being a bunch of children getting off on the idea of being ~radical~

    if your concern is being treated unfairly by the police, what effect at all is making people want to run you over and laugh at you when you get arrested going to have?

  18. Post #18
    I think the south won the civil war and I love Ronald Reagan
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    The racists he was protesting against?
    The 'white moderates' that MLK speaks of. The ones who would complain about his methods, rallying around the ideal of 'order'. I wonder if that sort of person sounds familiar...
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    protest groups alienate themselves by donning names that make people cringe, they tend to overact before building support, overemphasize their importance, miscalculate their effect and so on, play as stereotypes of themselves. i think all of these things are true in this case but i wish every thread on civil protest wasn't so indignant at the concept of protesting itself.
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    The 'white moderates' that MLK speaks of. The ones who would complain about his methods, rallying around the ideal of 'order'. I wonder if that sort of person sounds familiar...
    believe it or not, mlk's protests actually had planning and logic put into them, and not just a bunch of kids running amok without organization or structure

    the issue isnt that these protests are inconveniencing people, its that they have no logic whatsoever nor do they have any positive effect on their campaign

    but i know repeatedly parroting this is the only way you know how to respond to criticism of farcical "protests" like this and its the only response such criticism ever gets, that we dont like it because we're the ones getting protested, so i dont expect you to actually have any idea as to what sort of gain they'll see from this
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    I think the south won the civil war and I love Ronald Reagan
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    Hey sorry, I know this may be hard for you to understand, but these sorts of events do have logic and planning put into them. Want to know the logic? Getting your message out there means getting noticed. Believe it or not, you won't get noticed if you have some obscure rally in whatever place the city allows you to. Now, what will get you noticed is either A) Mass Action or B) Disruptive Action. Nobody is saying you don't like it because you are the one being protested. These are not protests against white people. These are not protests against white liberals. These are protests against systemic racism. Now unless you'r the embodiment of systemic racism, I don't think they are targeting you.

    This action is obviously created to get attention. Now whether or not this group will make good use of their attention, I couldn't say. And no, they are not trying to get attention from you. They are not trying to get attention from liberals. They are trying to get attention from, mainly, those affected by what it is they are protesting and those who they are protesting. And yeah, this does work. Getting an organization out there like this is effective, and this is something organizations use. Effectively used, this would lead to growing the organization and having other demonstrations (marches or whatever). That is how change is made. Not by sitting back and protesting in the little marked protest area where nobody gives a shit and nobody feels like anything is achieved. Again, I can't say whether or no this group specifically is utilizing this tactic effectively, but groups do.

    Okay, but in what way did a bridge actively facilitate systemic racism?
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  23. Post #23
    Dennab
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    Okay, but in what way did a bridge actively facilitate systemic racism?
    Bridges are endemic of system racism because on average more white people use the bridge to cross from one side to the other than other races.
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  24. Post #24
    Dennab
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    Fuckin' awesome. Direct action gets the goods.
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    Fuckin' awesome. Direct action gets the goods.
    Stupidity however does not.

  26. Post #26
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    Bridges are endemic of system racism because on average more white people use the bridge to cross from one side to the other than other races.
    I hope this is a joke..
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  27. Post #27
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
    The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It is fitting to see them not violently protesting today.

    Edited:

    Yeah but that would make sense (also they might not even much attention this way). This protest is really dumb though, in the 60s protests were much less disruptive to daily life, they could take a few lessons from history.
    I can agree with this, but they do it because they don't get attention and don't get taken seriously. If they were to be more traditional and less disobedient about it, no one would give a shit. Cue the riots, and then people saying, "these people are animals!" And all without really understanding that they are the source of the problem.
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    Fuckin' awesome. Direct action gets the goods.
    yeah fuck those ambulances needing to go to the hospital or whatever.
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    yeah fuck those ambulances needing to go to the hospital or whatever.
    I'm wondering if something like this could have been said about the MLK marches.
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  31. Post #31
    Dennab
    November 2007
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    King would be disappointed
    I don't think you knew King enough to say this tbh.

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    Yeah but that would make sense (also they might not even much attention this way). This protest is really dumb though, in the 60s protests were much less disruptive to daily life, they could take a few lessons from history.
    They were also a fuck ton bigger, nowadays protests are lucky to get more than a thousand people (US Protests that is). As much as I wish they wouldn't disrupt the daily rush, I don't think they will be able to get the same message across as massive groups of people.
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    Great way to gain supporters, right there.

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    Wow it's almost like they're protesting or something
    My boss hasn't given me a raise in the last 6 months - hope you don't mind if I go and sit in your front door all day, shouting on a megaphone and chaining myself to your fence, yes?

    'Cause someone told me that I should protest in my office, but it makes too much sense, so I'll prefer to do the right thing and just protest in front of your house, that way *you* get to acknowledge my hardships.
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  34. Post #34
    No such thing as overkill.
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    King would be disappointed
    "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action'; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - MLK Jr, Letter from Birmingham Jail

    Lot of folks in this thread don't know the first thing about MLK or his tactics. Blocking public roads was part and parcel of his methods, and people making hypotheticals about ambulances or saying that annoying people doesn't help you are making the exact same arguments used against MLK's civil disobedience in the 60s. You're arguing essentially that MLK's leadership worked against the goals of the civil rights movement and it's clear to see that that wasn't the case.
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    "Piss them off! That'll make them empathize with us!"
    Protest on city Hall, not on the Bridge. Guess what... you are doing what #BlackLivesMatters does and they have become a joke.
    what does protesting on a bridge with people who have nothing to do with your cause do?
    in the 60s protests were much less disruptive to daily life, they could take a few lessons from history.
    Their behavior doesn't make me want to support their cause, it makes me want to support long term sentences of people who block off major roadways, potentially putting people in danger.
    Stupidity however does not.
    King would be disappointed
    Great way to gain supporters, right there.







    1965. 51 Years Ago.

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    The fact that so many of you are willing to dismiss this protest because it doesn't meet with your fabric of "whiney facebook posts and letters of petition to state hall" style of protesting is fucking disgusting.

    Why do you think these protests were successful? Because they got in people's minds that something was wrong.
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    Yeah, the only real difference is number. If it's "annoying" and all of these protests are following suit, the best thing to do would be to deal with it before it gets violent or otherwise worse.

    A lot of people have this conclusion that it's simply a matter of ego, but this falls back to not taking them seriously and contributes to the cycle of protest. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.

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    Yeah, the only real difference is number. If it's "annoying" and all of these protests are following suit, the best thing to do would be to deal with it before it gets violent or otherwise worse.
    But we don't negotiate with terrorists.
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  38. Post #38
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    lol @ the "mlk wouldn't approve" posts.

    FP in the 1960s posted:
    Wow did they really think it be ok to just march down the road from Selma to Montgomery and cause that kind of disruption? I'm glad those hero state police stopped them at the Edmund Pettus bridge with overwhelming force. Now I hear that trouble maker MLK is coming down to the support the march, these people really aren't looking to make friends. #alllivesmater
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  39. Post #39
    Dennab
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    These past few posts put it so well. Haven't seen such a concise shut down in FP history.
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  40. Post #40
    Well, what had happened was.....
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    These past few posts put it so well. Haven't seen such a concise shut down in FP history.
    Honestly, they are just non-arguments trying to paint people as racists because they think that this type of protest, while effective at one time, is no longer effective and does nothing but hurt the image of the people doing it. It's like trying to shut down an argument by invoking Godwin's Law. It's a gigantic logical fallacy.
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