1. Post #1
    Trebgarta's Avatar
    March 2014
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    What am I gonna do with this Quran now??

    China's Xinjiang region (East Turkestan) has banned the practise of religion in government buildings and will fine those who use the Internet to 'undermine national unity', in a package of new regulations.

    The rules, passed by the standing committee of Xinjiang's parliament on Friday, stipulate penalties of between 5,000 and 30,000 yuan ($4,884) for individuals who use the Internet, mobile phones or digital publishing to undermine national unity, social stability or incite ethnic hatred.

    Equipment used in the offences also can be confiscated, the official Xinhua News Agency reported on Sunday.

    The regulations, which come into effect Jan. 1, also prohibit people from distributing and viewing videos about 'radical' religious subjects in or outside religious venues, and requires religious leaders to report such activities to the local authorities and police, the China Daily reported at the weekend.

    "An increasing number of problems involving religious affairs have emerged in Xinjiang," said Ma Mingcheng, deputy director of the Xinjiang People's Congress and director of its legislative affairs committee, according to the Chinese newspaper.

    People will not be allowed to practice religion in government offices, public schools, businesses or institutions. Religious activities will have to take place in registered venues, the report said.
    They also are prohibited from wearing or forcing others to wear clothes or logos associated with religion, although the types of clothes and logos aren't specified, the newspaper said.
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  2. Post #2
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    Promote unity by discriminating. Flawless
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  3. Post #3
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    'National unity' aka 'Total homogenisation'.
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  4. Post #4
    Dennab
    September 2014
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
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  5. Post #5
    Trebgarta's Avatar
    March 2014
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
    Too much bloodshed

    Simply too much, it would make middle east and africa look like heaven on earth
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    Dennab
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    冰雹萨根
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    Dennab
    September 2014
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    Too much bloodshed

    Simply too much, it would make middle east and africa look like heaven on earth
    Never said it'd be fun, but it's certainly an odd thing to think about.

  8. Post #8
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
    Chinese are too passive to have a civil war, look at HK
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  9. Post #9
    DVH

    May 2010
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    Chinese are too passive to have a civil war, look at HK
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Dy...ingdoms_period
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War

    Nah mate they've had plenty of conflict in the past, they might just get more in the future.

  10. Post #10
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    EcksDee's Avatar
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    has banned the practise of religion in government buildings
    i see no problem here

    People will not be allowed to practice religion in government offices, public schools, businesses or institutions. Religious activities will have to take place in registered venues, the report said.
    I see even less problem here.
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    Dennab
    December 2008
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    Isn't China officially atheist anyways
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
    No it won't because the world economy is going to take one hell of a dip.
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    Dennab
    April 2008
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
    "May you live in interesting times."

    -Ancient Chinese curse
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    i see no problem here



    I see even less problem here.
    Registered venues.. that they'll later close and say "oh and you still can't practice anywhere else".
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  15. Post #15
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    i see no problem here



    I see even less problem here.
    I don't think you would agree if they where doing the same about expressing atheistic values.
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    Dennab
    June 2010
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    i see no problem here



    I see even less problem here.
    But they're purposefully restricting the Muslim majority in the region from practicing their religion. Some Muslim sects are very passionate about the 5 prayers-per-day requirement. If a place of business were to suddenly ban the prayers (which last about 25 seconds in total, what a sudden production loss!), they would be actively infringing on one's right to practice religion.
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  17. Post #17
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    January 2010
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    i see no problem here



    I see even less problem here.
    I see more faux ammo for dumbshits in America who think all Atheists are some collective who seek to destroy Christianity.

    "Just look what those atheists did in china!! They're going to do it in america!!"

  18. Post #18
    Dennab
    September 2010
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    I don't think you would agree if they where doing the same about expressing atheistic values.
    What are atheistic values?
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    Dennab
    June 2010
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    I see more faux ammo for dumbshits in America who think all Atheists are some collective who seek to destroy Christianity.

    "Just look what those atheists did in china!! They're going to do it in america!!"
    Except that the Uighurs are muslim so they'd probably use it to restrict them damn ragheads
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    I don't see s problem here, also :

    They also are prohibited from wearing or forcing others to wear clothes or logos associated with religion
    which means Muslim women wont have to wear burkhas if they don't want to and have the law on their side.
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    I'm going to hate myself for this, and it relies entirely on the correct pronunciation but:

    Uighur please!
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  22. Post #22
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    I don't see s problem here, also :



    which means Muslim women wont have to wear burkhas if they don't want to and have the law on their side.
    Doesn't that mean they also can't wear them even if they wanted to?
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  23. Post #23
    Dennab
    December 2007
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    A separation of Church and State is a good thing. Can't stress its necessity enough.

    But that means the State itself doesn't use its resources or influence to promote one religion over another. That means, we don't build statues at city hall of the Nativity, or put "In God we Trust" on our money.

    This basically says you can be fined/arrested for praying inside a government building, even if it's as simple as clasping your hands together, or crossing yourself.

    While I'm absolutely of the opinion that religion is a negative influence, banning its practice is NOT the solution. Education is. And it never SHOULD be banned. The hard way is the right way, here. People have to be able to choose this stuff for themselves. Change cannot be FORCED upon a society, and certainly not by tyrannical means. Stripping rights doesn't change the peoples' minds. These things have to come into their own, on their own terms.

    But yeah, just wait and see this get used as one more example of "the evil that is atheism," on loaded Fox News interviews...

  24. Post #24
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    April 2006
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    A separation of Church and State is a good thing. Can't stress its necessity enough.

    But that means the State itself doesn't use its resources or influence to promote one religion over another. That means, we don't build statues at city hall of the Nativity, or put "In God we Trust" on our money.

    This basically says you can be fined/arrested for praying inside a government building, even if it's as simple as clasping your hands together, or crossing yourself.

    While I'm absolutely of the opinion that religion is a negative influence, banning its practice is NOT the solution. Education is. And it never SHOULD be banned. The hard way is the right way, here. People have to be able to choose this stuff for themselves. Change cannot be FORCED upon a society, and certainly not by tyrannical means. Stripping rights doesn't change the peoples' minds. These things have to come into their own, on their own terms.

    But yeah, just wait and see this get used as one more example of "the evil that is atheism," on loaded Fox News interviews...
    The law isn't pushing for the "seperation of church and state" the law is banning the practice of religion in government buildings and other areas. Practicing your religion while at work and letting your religion influence your work are two different things, this law is prohibiting the former..for example: devout Muslims pray 5x a day, for those individuals who are working in those instituions they're basically being told "Fuck you, you can't practice your culture/religion and we don't care".

    What this law is doing is attempting to destroy diversity, cultural, and religious heritage n this community, especially in an area that is already marked by violence related to Chinese official suppressing the Uighur's religious beliefs/culture. The only thing this law is going to do is inflame the already pissed off radical groups operating in the area and give them more reason to fight back against the Chinese government.
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    It's going to be interesting when China falls into civil war.
    A lot of people said this about the Soviet Union and any time a revolution popped up, it got shut the fuck down with extreme prejudice. The same shit happens in China every single day. China has far too much control on their people for them to effectively form a revolution that can even hope to go against China's massive military.

    China is going to keep oppressing it's people until it's people get help from the outside.

  26. Post #26
    Dennab
    September 2014
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    A lot of people said this about the Soviet Union and any time a revolution popped up, it got shut the fuck down with extreme prejudice. The same shit happens in China every single day. China has far too much control on their people for them to effectively form a revolution that can even hope to go against China's massive military.

    China is going to keep oppressing it's people until it's people get help from the outside.
    They're on the verge of economic collapse, have oppressed the fuck out of half their population, were built up on several different culture groups being conquered and their government seems to have no idea how to manage these things. At least Russia stayed so large because most of it was (moderately) homogenized compared to its states. And the Soviet Union DID break up.

  27. Post #27
    Dennab
    August 2012
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    You don't need God, you don't need to pray. All you need is the glorious Chinese Government!
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  28. Post #28
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    February 2006
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    Problem with religion these days is that religion on any kind is more hurting then it is promoting the good things out there like charity for a cause and helping people out these days.

    I wish our modern schools can teach people about the dangers of fanaticism and religion itself as well as promote the good things with beliefs as well. If we can cut down more fanaticism around here in america, and also limit child brainwashing of religious beliefs of any kind until the age of 18, that will be nice for a better future to help prevent further growth of fanaticism.

    I know a ban is not possible, but it's might be possible to cut down the growth of fanaticism, where our modern day beliefs are more calm and passive, then it is violent and malevolent. So religious majority cannot preach hatred against gays and lesbians, and also can't preach against other religious beliefs out there. If we going to promote unity, we need to start acting like it and respect people's beliefs and to reduce hatred and the growth of extreme fanaticism.

  29. Post #29
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    January 2006
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    They're on the verge of economic collapse, have oppressed the fuck out of half their population, were built up on several different culture groups being conquered and their government seems to have no idea how to manage these things. At least Russia stayed so large because most of it was (moderately) homogenized compared to its states. And the Soviet Union DID break up.
    China isn't going to collapse. The USSR fell apart due to pathetic economic performance, and the fact that it was several countries combined into one bloc, several countries that already weren't the biggest fans of each other.

    China isn't going to have some massive revolution, they aren't going to collapse. They'll gradually change into a non centrally planned economy (which is already happening).

    Edited:

    Problem with religion these days is that religion on any kind is more hurting then it is promoting the good things out there like charity for a cause and helping people out these days.

    I wish our modern schools can teach people about the dangers of fanaticism and religion itself as well as promote the good things with beliefs as well. If we can cut down more fanaticism around here in america, and also limit child brainwashing of religious beliefs of any kind until the age of 18, that will be nice for a better future to help prevent further growth of fanaticism.

    I know a ban is not possible, but it's might be possible to cut down the growth of fanaticism, where our modern day beliefs are more calm and passive, then it is violent and malevolent. So religious majority cannot preach hatred against gays and lesbians, and also can't preach against other religious beliefs out there. If we going to promote unity, we need to start acting like it and respect people's beliefs and to reduce hatred and the growth of extreme fanaticism.
    Which is why we shouldn't ban anyone from worshiping anything. Religious fanaticism comes from poor understanding of texts, not from brainwashing children.

    Anyone can use anything as an excuse to be an asshole, even if you eliminated religion completely people would still be massive dicks to each other over beliefs.
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    April 2006
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    Problem with religion these days is that religion on any kind is more hurting then it is promoting the good things out there like charity for a cause and helping people out these days.

    I wish our modern schools can teach people about the dangers of fanaticism and religion itself as well as promote the good things with beliefs as well. If we can cut down more fanaticism around here in america, and also limit child brainwashing of religious beliefs of any kind until the age of 18, that will be nice for a better future to help prevent further growth of fanaticism.

    I know a ban is not possible, but it's might be possible to cut down the growth of fanaticism, where our modern day beliefs are more calm and passive, then it is violent and malevolent. So religious majority cannot preach hatred against gays and lesbians, and also can't preach against other religious beliefs out there. If we going to promote unity, we need to start acting like it and respect people's beliefs and to reduce hatred and the growth of extreme fanaticism.
    If you're referring to Christians I'd go ahead and say that the majority of Christians in America don't preach hatred of homosexuals. The reason why people might think that is because the most vocal ones (Westboro Baptist Church, insane preacher here and there, Fox News) are always seen on the news. These people do not represent Christianity/Religion as a whole.

    Also, it kind of sounds like youre insinuiating any religious person is inherently a "fanatic". I'd also say majority of those who practice in the United States at least are nowhere near fanatics about their beliefs.

  31. Post #31
    Dennab
    September 2014
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    China isn't going to collapse. The USSR fell apart due to pathetic economic performance, and the fact that it was several countries combined into one bloc, several countries that already weren't the biggest fans of each other.

    China isn't going to have some massive revolution, they aren't going to collapse. They'll gradually change into a non centrally planned economy (which is already happening).
    But they're following the exact same steps of the USSR. They're on the verge of that terrible economic performance, they ARE several countries more or less combined into one bloc, and many of those areas aren't happy with the Chinese government either. We have everything from Tibet to Xinjiang that would probably like to break away.
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    don't forget the taiping rebellion which killed more people than WW1
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    But they're following the exact same steps of the USSR. They're on the verge of that terrible economic performance, they ARE several countries more or less combined into one bloc, and many of those areas aren't happy with the Chinese government either. We have everything from Tibet to Xinjiang that would probably like to break away.
    The terrible economic performance of the USSR was 2 decades long before the collapse. Even if china is on the edge of it it'll still be a while before we even start seeing signs of distress.

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    Not that bad of a seed
    Dennab
    January 2011
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    I don't see s problem here, also :



    which means Muslim women wont have to wear burkhas if they don't want to and have the law on their side.
    And that Muslim women who want to wear similar clothing (please remember: there's about 8 of them that aren't Burqas), won't be allowed to.
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  35. Post #35
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    August 2010
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    Isn't China officially atheist anyways
    Which isn't even true anymore considering Xi Jinping has talked in the past about "traditional faiths" (essentially Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Chinese folk religions) to fill the moral vacuum within people.
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  36. Post #36

    June 2008
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    What are atheistic values?
    That there exists no spiritual side to life. If one is very pushy about this view, one is no different from people who try to impose their religious views on others. Atheism is NOT a "neutral" position regarding religion, though agnostism might be.

  37. Post #37
    Dennab
    September 2010
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    That there exists no spiritual side to life. If one is very pushy about this view, one is no different from people who try to impose their religious views on others. Atheism is NOT a "neutral" position regarding religion, though agnostism might be.
    Lol no learn your definitions you're 100% wrong. You can absolutely be an atheist and believe in all kinds of "spiritual" shit. Most Buddhists are atheist.
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    i see no problem here



    I see even less problem here.
    Yes, how dare people be able to publicly profess their beliefs.

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    June 2008
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    Lol no learn your definitions you're 100% wrong. You can absolutely be an atheist and believe in all kinds of "spiritual" shit. Most Buddhists are atheist.
    OK then, a belief there exists no higher being? Again, not a neutral belief. And regardless of the definition, many atheists (not saying all) frankly DO act hostile towards ANY expression of spirituality, not merely towards the belief of there being a god.
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  40. Post #40
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    You people don't understand that China can fine people 5 grand with the buzzword "undermining national unity" with this law. This can target Islam practicers too, if they argue that Islam undermines national unity.
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