1. Post #1
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    laserguided's Avatar
    October 2012
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    Over the past few years, the Canadian government has been lurching into antiscience territory. For example, they’ve been muzzling scientists, essentially censoring them from talking about their research. Scientists have fought back against this, though from what I hear with limited success.
    But a new development makes the situation appear to be far worse. In a stunning announcement, the National Research Council—the Canadian scientific research and development agency—has now said that they will only perform research that has “social or economic gain”.

    This is not a joke. I wish it were.

    John MacDougal, President of the NRC, literally said, “Scientific discovery is not valuable unless it has commercial value”. Gary Goodyear, the Canadian Minister of State for Science and Technology, also stated “There is [sic] only two reasons why we do science and technology. First is to create knowledge ... second is to use that knowledge for social and economic benefit. Unfortunately, all too often the knowledge gained is opportunity lost.”

    I had to read the article two or three times to make sure I wasn’t missing something, because I was thinking that no one could possibly utter such colossally ignorant statements. But no, I was reading it correctly. These two men—leaders in the Canadian scientific research community—were saying, out loud and clearly, that the only science worth doing is what lines the pocket of business.

    This is monumentally backwards thinking. That is not the reason we do science. Economic benefits are results of doing research, but should not be the reason we do it. Basic scientific research is a vast endeavor, and some of it will pay off economically, and some won’t. In almost every case, you cannot know in advance which will do which.

    In the 19th century, for example, James Clerk Maxwell was just interested in understanding electricity and magnetism. He didn’t do it for monetary benefit, to support a business, or to maximize a profit. Yet his research led to the foundation of our entire economy today. Computers, the Internet, communication, satellites, everything you plug in or that uses a battery, stem from the work he did simply because of his own curiosity. I strongly suspect that if he were to apply to the NRC for funding under this new regime, he’d be turned down flat. The kind of work Maxwell did then is very difficult to do without support these days, and we need governments to provide that help.
    Source
    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07...viable-science
    Disgusting.
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  2. Post #2
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    June 2011
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    rip canadian universities (I know not all research comes from national grants but still)
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    KingArcher's Avatar
    March 2013
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    this is dumb

    that is all i can say
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  4. Post #4
    LOO POO'S BIG FAN !!!!!!!! LOVES SHITPOSTING ALMOST AS MUCH!!!!
    Yahnich's Avatar
    October 2009
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    what the flying fuck

    Edited:

    is slate even a news source

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    Reshy's Avatar
    October 2012
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    What's slate?

  6. Post #6
    I fought the bet and the bet won.
    laserguided's Avatar
    October 2012
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    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07...viable-science
    If you don't believe the first source, I'm not sure why people wouldn't however.

  7. Post #7
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    June 2008
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    What's slate?
    From what I can tell, it's all editorials and opinion pieces.
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    How the fuck does someone like him become the president of the NRC.

    Another source

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07...viable-science
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  9. Post #9
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    April 2009
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    Holy shit, how did that asshole become president of the NRC? Appointed by Canadian Republicans or something?
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  10. Post #10
    I fought the bet and the bet won.
    laserguided's Avatar
    October 2012
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    From what I can tell, it's all editorials and opinion pieces.
    Ohoho but they clearly well cited their sources, you would have known that had of checked their citations before asking. None the less, its posted and they're telling the truth.
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    LOO POO'S BIG FAN !!!!!!!! LOVES SHITPOSTING ALMOST AS MUCH!!!!
    Yahnich's Avatar
    October 2009
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    Ohoho but they clearly well cited their sources, you would have known that had of checked their citations before asking. None the less, its posted and they're telling the truth.
    i don't blame anyone for not initially believing this pants on head retarded news
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  12. Post #12
    I fought the bet and the bet won.
    laserguided's Avatar
    October 2012
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    i don't blame anyone for not initially believing this pants on head retarded news
    Got a point there, amazing and mind bogglingly pants on head retarded.
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  13. Post #13
    Nr Dick's Avatar
    January 2009
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    Not a big problem here. All the scientists have to do now is append "creates jobs for the economy" in at least three places in their applications.

    Politicians have been doing it for ages.
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    Well, one thing I recently found out: Queen's University (Kingston) is developing a computer that's literally paper thin and entirely disposable. A prototype does exist. And from the source, he can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a holographic projector.

  15. Post #15
    prooboo's Avatar
    March 2012
    859 Posts
    scientists just need to know how to market themselves better. make things up about potential uses. theyre conservative politicians, they wont understand your math talk. tell them your working on teleportation.
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    I don't ever want to hear another Canadian say the US is backwards again.
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    LOO POO'S BIG FAN !!!!!!!! LOVES SHITPOSTING ALMOST AS MUCH!!!!
    Yahnich's Avatar
    October 2009
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    scientists just need to know how to market themselves better. make things up about potential uses. theyre conservative politicians, they wont understand your math talk. tell them your working on teleportation.
    that's not the point, science should never be inhibited by some dumbasses that just decided that hey fuck all science unless it helps me NOW

    shit like this means the higgs boson would never have been found, neither would lasers that did not have an immediate use except for looking cool until like twenty years later and now we use it in fucking everything
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    scientists just need to know how to market themselves better. make things up about potential uses. theyre conservative politicians, they wont understand your math talk. tell them your working on teleportation.
    State or federal funding is supposed to spur research in areas not commercial enough to have corporate funding coming in. Stuff like cures for cancer and diabetes that Big Pharma won't develop for themselves, because it's easier to monetize recurring treatments to manage chronic conditions instead of outright cures. Stuff like space exploration.

    Corporate-funded for-profit research is great at treating baldness, shit at developing low-cost water purification for developing countries. Government has to pick up the slack where corporate interests don't think there is money to be made.
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  19. Post #19
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    February 2011
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    Time to start selling gravity in a can so people won't float up into the sun.
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    March 2012
    383 Posts
    white people and their greed

    Edited:

    this isn't racist i'm white
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  21. Post #21
    RISC MASTER RACE.
    Dennab
    August 2010
    7,138 Posts
    Capitalism.

    "It's no good to anyone if you can't make money from it."
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    Dennab
    January 2011
    6,891 Posts
    welp this bloody stupid

  23. Post #23
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    October 2009
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    Isn't this the reason why Tesla died a pauper in the US a hundred years ago?
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    June 2012
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    Why the hell do we have an idiot like this as president of the NRC?

    I'm sure Harper must be absolutely giddy over this.
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  25. Post #25
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    Dennab
    May 2008
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    Why the hell do we have an idiot like this as president of the NRC?

    I'm sure Harper must be absolutely giddy over this.
    I've been playing too much fallout new vegas.

    Anyways, that's stupid of canada, of course science has commerical value you dimwit, you wouldn't have cars and planes and bikes and microwaves and nukes or anything without science. Thing is, nearly no science goes out and says "Hey I think I'll go discover cars!" and then discovers cars. Not all discoveries will be commercially valuable, but the discoveries built on the non-commercially valuable studies might make hover cars economically viable. Who knows.
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    Two years till election time... two long years.
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  27. Post #27
    GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
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    September 2005
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    This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. But then again, if Canada isn't in need of any scientists, I'm sure there are a lot of places in the world who would appreciate them and their work.
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  28. Post #28
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    February 2011
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    John MacDougal, President of the NRC, literally said, “Scientific discovery is not valuable unless it has commercial value”.
    what the FUCK
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    With his level of intelligence, I am surprised he isn't communicating by making grunts and noises
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    May 2011
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    So where is that money going then, if not to 'worthless science projects'?

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    December 2007
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    99% of the scientists who have ever existed in the history of mankind are either furious right now or rolling in their graves.

    And as a budding young scientist (who is, I think, alive) I can say I'm certainly in the 'furious' category. I may not live in Canada, but holy shit, people like this asshole are why we can't have nice things.
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  32. Post #32
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    March 2005
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    This is going to stagnate Canadian research greatly if enforced. So much in science has or had no immediately obvious uses.
    Lasers, for example. Or atomic clocks, absolutely vital to the functioning of GPS satellites.

  33. Post #33
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    May 2009
    625 Posts
    What the flying fuck.

  34. Post #34
    Naaz's Avatar
    January 2012
    1,532 Posts
    Canada makes the fucking Canadarm and now this?
    How do you go from this


    To now?
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  35. Post #35
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    October 2012
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    Canada makes the fucking Canadarm and now this?
    How do you go from this


    To now?
    Conservatives.
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  36. Post #36
    Kiss me, I'm Irish
    Fort83's Avatar
    September 2006
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    I don't ever want to hear another Canadian say the US is backwards again.
    The US is backwards.

        Canada has some backwards dumbfucks too though   
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    Canada makes the fucking Canadarm and now this?
    How do you go from this

    [Canadarm]

    To now?
    I blame Stephen Harper.
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  38. Post #38
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    December 2008
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    Honest question here, but is it necessary for Canada to do scientific research of all kinds if there are other places in the world that do it better? Limiting our research to strictly social or economic benefits can't be that bad, can it? Especially when our neighbours to the south can pick up our slack.

    Edited:

    Maybe that research funding can be better spent elsewhere?

  39. Post #39
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    July 2010
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    I do not like our government

  40. Post #40
    Dennab
    July 2007
    43,766 Posts
    harper stop putting your cats in charge and get back to work
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