1. Post #1
    Dennab
    October 2007
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18170328

    Nick Robinson, BBC political editor posted:
    Senior ministers are discussing how Britain would respond in the event of a military confrontation between Israel and Iran later this year.

    With new international talks about Tehran's nuclear programme due to start in Baghdad later, ministers remain hopeful that diplomacy can prevent Iran developing a nuclear weapon and persuade Israel not to carry out its threat to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

    However, I have learnt that UK ministers are discussing not just the possibility of a military confrontation but what role, if any, Britain might play and whether any involvement would be legal.

    Last week in London, the National Security Council discussed what would happen if the latest set of negotiations with Iran failed and if Israel carried out its threat to launch a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

    Ministers were told that this could trigger a wider war in the Middle East in which Iran might respond not just by attacking Israel, but also by closing the vital trade route - the Strait of Hormuz - through which more than a fifth of the world's oil shipments are carried.

    I understand that the government's law officers are now examining the legality of any British involvement if this happens.

    They are looking at options ranging from British diplomatic support for Israel through to the possible involvement of the Royal Navy in the region.

    The Liberal Democrats, who opposed the invasion of Iraq, insist that in future Britain must only do what is clearly within international law.

    Ministers are still placing their hopes in what Churchill called "jaw jaw" but, behind the scenes, they are discussing in detail how they might respond to "war war".

    Later on Wednesday, a new series of Decision Time on BBC Radio 4 (at 20:00 BST) examines how the British and American governments would approach a decision on how to prevent war in the Middle East and what involvement to have if it occurs.

    One decision that would face the Coalition if war breaks out between Iran and Israel is the role of Diego Garcia. It is a British colony in the Indian Ocean but has for many years acted as a US base and island aircraft carrier.

    B52 and B2 bombers were used to attack Iraq and Afghanistan and could be used to attack Iran if the United States decided to join forces with Israel.

    The UK leases Diego Garcia to the US and the terms of that lease have, I'm told, never been published. One question for the government's lawyers is whether the British government would have to give it's permission for Diego Garcia to be used in any attack on Iran.

    All these decisions would not unduly trouble a Tory government which decided to back the USA and Israel. However, they could prove to be a Coalition breaker.

  2. Post #2
    Needs more suspension.
    Amplar's Avatar
    February 2006
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    How about Britain just says 'fuckem and not get involved?

    Just fucking let Iran/Israel blow each other to hell to end this bullshit
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  3. Post #3
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    July 2006
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    Why? Why do we have to get involved? Let them sort it out between themselves with however much diplomatic or barbaric relations they want.

    Then, if they come over here give them a slap. It has nothing to do with Britain at all. Stop listening to America when they try to police the world.
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  4. Post #4
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    At least you Brits have the choice, I can almost guarantee that the United States will support Israel in this one, whether we (you know, the voters/people/constituents) want it or not.

    And it's an election year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see boots on the ground. Fucking shit is ridiculous.
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    FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SHITPOST IN POLIDICKS
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    February 2007
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    War party at Israels house! Bring Tomahawks and JDAM's!
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  6. Post #6
    Jon27's Avatar
    January 2010
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    Send our aircraft carriers!

    Wait

    Shit
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  7. Post #7
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    October 2005
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    Send our aircraft carriers!

    Wait

    Shit
    Don't worry, the French are driving!

    Oh.
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  8. Post #8
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    June 2008
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    Britain's military fails at the job it's supposed to do. We can't properly defend our overseas territories because we don't have a proper carrier fleet anymore, but we're fucking experts at being the bitches in various coalitions.

    A military that can't defend its country but can stomp on weaker countries, just sounds like a bully to me.
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    October 2007
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    How about we do what we did when Vietnam started, you know, stay the hell out of it. Although at least if we do get involed it means we won't get the tory dems again.

  10. Post #10
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    February 2005
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    Britain's military fails at the job it's supposed to do. We can't properly defend our overseas territories because we don't have a proper carrier fleet anymore, but we're fucking experts at being the bitches in various coalitions.

    A military that can't defend its country but can stomp on weaker countries, just sounds like a bully to me.
    aircraft carriers are not defensive in nature, we have airbases for that

  11. Post #11
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    September 2010
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    aircraft carriers are not defensive in nature, we have airbases for that
    I'm sure that he's talking about their rapid response and logistical capabilities.
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  12. Post #12
    Ask me about my 'female train' fetish.
    ViralHatred's Avatar
    January 2006
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    Send our aircraft carriers!

    Wait

    Shit
    We're still getting one, they scrapped 2 but are keeping one. They're also swapping the the aircraft they bought for the VTOL variant because they underestimated the price of the catapult launch and retrieval system.

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    October 2007
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    We're still getting one, they scrapped 2 but are keeping one. They're also swapping the the aircraft they bought for the VTOL variant because they underestimated the price of the catapult launch and retrieval system.
    Yeah last I read they ran out of money for the aircraft carrier because of the catapult. I don't see why we can't just make a newer version of the harrier to be honest.

  14. Post #14
    C47
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    January 2010
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    The UK leases Diego Garcia to the US and the terms of that lease have, I'm told, never been published. One question for the government's lawyers is whether the British government would have to give it's permission for Diego Garcia to be used in any attack on Iran.


    Reminds me of that battlefield map xD - but that was japanese
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  15. Post #15
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    January 2008
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    How about Britain just says 'fuckem and not get involved?

    Just fucking let Iran/Israel blow each other to hell to end this bullshit
    Because whoever doesn't help Isreal is an anti-semite.
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    May 2010
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    God dammit, this is the cold war all over again...

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    Reminds me of that battlefield map xD - but that was japanese
    what?
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    C47
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    January 2010
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    the pic before is the island Diego Garcia

  19. Post #19
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    July 2010
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    Yea, they look the same.

  20. Post #20
    I'll admit Diego Garcia;

    is a bit similar to Wake Island;

    But the "xD" doesn't help.
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    C47
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    January 2010
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    But the "xD" doesn't help.
    that explains the dumb ratings
    ty
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    January 2009
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    Right-o

  23. Post #23
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    May 2008
    5,892 Posts
    I can provide a response in the event of a war:

    Stay the fuck out of it.

  24. Post #24
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    October 2006
    5,205 Posts
    I honestly don't see much support if Cameron decided to send military in aid of Israel. People don't care enough about the conflict to justify the massive cost.

  25. Post #25
    Roll a d100, 99? Deary me...
    cyclocius's Avatar
    January 2009
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    The Liberal Democrats, who opposed the invasion of Iraq, insist that in future Britain must only do what is clearly within international law.
    This, listen to the people that everyone now hates.
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  26. Post #26
    Dennab
    January 2010
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    How about Britain just says 'fuckem and not get involved?

    Just fucking let Iran/Israel blow each other to hell to end this bullshit
    I wish the U.S.A would do the same. I'm tired of Israel trying to drag us into wars and then abuse us behind our backs with shit like the infamous "false flag" operations.

    I honestly hope Israel gets curb-stomped. I'm seriously that pissed at their government. I mean, creating countries based on ethnicity is a bad idea enough (it's what drove Europe to war many a time) but one based on religion?
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    June 2008
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    I wish the U.S.A would do the same. I'm tired of Israel trying to drag us into wars and then abuse us behind our backs with shit like the infamous "false flag" operations.

    I honestly hope Israel gets curb-stomped. I'm seriously that pissed at their government. I mean, creating countries based on ethnicity is a bad idea enough (it's what drove Europe to war many a time) but one based on religion?
    Israel isn't doing anything without the US' consent.
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  28. Post #28
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    November 2009
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    Will the British people really have a say in this though? You know what our governments like. Lets get involved in conflicts regardless of what the British people really want.

  29. Post #29
    OvB
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    I'll admit Diego Garcia;

    is a bit similar to Wake Island;

    But the "xD" doesn't help.
    That's because they're both atolls! Or volcanic islands that eroded away to leave behind a coral barrier and a lagoon! Volcano breaks the surface, coral builds around it, volcano gradually eroded away leaving behind coral structure!


    Edited:

    I honestly hope Israel gets curb-stomped. I'm seriously that pissed at their government. I mean, creating countries based on ethnicity is a bad idea enough (it's what drove Europe to war many a time) but one based on religion?
    I'd rather not see millions of innocent people get curb-stomped. Any war that breaks out in that region is going to result in mass death of either side. And uh, to be fair, Iran is based on religion too. Considering their supreme leader is an Ayatollah.
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    April 2008
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    I wish the U.S.A would do the same. I'm tired of Israel trying to drag us into wars and then abuse us behind our backs with shit like the infamous "false flag" operations.

    I honestly hope Israel gets curb-stomped. I'm seriously that pissed at their government. I mean, creating countries based on ethnicity is a bad idea enough (it's what drove Europe to war many a time) but one based on religion?
    Wishing for the deaths of potentially millions of people? Smooth.

  31. Post #31
    Missy Q
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    June 2005
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    Wishing for the deaths of potentially millions of people? Smooth.
    If Iran and Israel go to war, millions are going to die no matter who the victor is. He is just stating who he wished the victor to be.

  32. Post #32
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    December 2008
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    Reminds me of that battlefield map xD - but that was japanese
    You're aware Wake island is real right?
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    You're aware Wake island is real right?
    If he didn't before he does now, I posted a photograph of it further up.