but isn't true art subjective after all
At this point, what would be amazing?
hip-hop is a good example for a lot of things.
hip-hop has become so wide-spread because you don't even need to play an instrument just to make which has given a voice to the most unlikely of people.
You do understand that many, many musical artists today compose their songs with the notes and stuff? They have the added advantage of computers to listen to it as they write it.
I'm not really well versed in classical music so I'm going to assume that Bach was a pioneer of music and he pushed new boundaries.
This is Meshuggah, they push boundaries. They pioneer music, they've influenced a whole new generation of musicians.
This is a song from their upcoming album.
Don't say modern music is shit.
hey OP, what's wrong with electronics?
oh yeah, nothing, they're just another tool in the artist's repertoire. I'd say come up with some real reasons why modern music is worse but there actually aren't any - plenty of reasons why it's different to the music you like, to be sure, but there is literally no such thing as an objective fact in the realm of musical taste. Here's an example:
Objectively, Bach composed more technically complex orchestral pieces than, say, Rihanna
Subjectively, you prefer Bach to Rihanna because to you, complex orchestral music sounds good, rather than dance-y pop music, which you do not like.
Technical complexity and complexity of melody or rhythm or anything like that is objective. You can tell it is, it is documented and to a degree, scientific/mathematical.
However, objective qualities don't actually equate to musical taste, and thus, how "good" a piece of music is. Some people infinitely prefer a simple melody with a 4/4 beat that they can dance to - in their minds, a pop song is a very, very good song - that's just the wya people are, we have subjective personal preferences and the sooner you accept this the happier you will be.
All styles and flavours of music should be respected equally as expressive forms.
apart from Teen Pop.
I'm personally a sucker for simple melodies and what not. I think the simplest of things can be the most expressive and awesome.
Anyone know The Downward Spiral motif?
Plays through the entire album, The Downward Spiral, and is a representation of the endless spiraling down the "character of the album" is going through. The motif plays it's last time as the main melody in the song "The Downward Spiral" and is ultimately a representation for the end of the spiral with him killing himself. A very simple melody that represents something so much greater than what you might think, Ordigenius.
A painting doesn't need to have the finest acrylics and complex shapes in order to be a beautiful painting. A painting can be simple and still be pretty awesome. Music is the same way.
sometimes the most simple things in music can make you feel good.
I mean obviously this is all about bitches and ho's.
What can make hip hop bad, is the lack of charisma. It's not about how many bitches there are that matters at all. There can be a billion bitches in it for all I care.
Seriously though, what do you expect from somebody who hasn't listened to the genre for quite some time.
You think because you "grew up" in a shithole, that you know everything that there is to know about the hip hop culture.
Have you heard of any of the following: Deltron 3030, Cannibal Ox, Death Grips, Dalek, Madvillain, Madlib, MF DOOM, Shabazz Palaces?
If not, then give up your arguement.
Hip Hop as a genre seems to be going for the more abstract styles anyway. It's fairly obvious that it won't stay linear like perhaps the genre blues has.
I like music that stimulates my body and sounds good in my ears.
I didn't "grow up in a shithole". Where did I say that? My daycare are actually the ones who listened to rap and from what I gathered, a good majority of the genre's songs were in fact about said things. Maybe not exactly those things, but they weren't about anything good.
If you guys can't learn to deal with the simple truth that most rap was (or maybe still is) this way, then you guys are the true "imbeciles".
if you have crappy sound/composition, it really doesn't matter how good your expression is - the music just isn't enjoyable to listen to. whereas if you have crappy expression, you really can't take anything away from the music - which really makes it nothing more than an easily forgotten technical showcase
You should really learn to get your facts straight. Here, let me quote myself:
"I know SOME rap isn't about things like that, but the majority of it is."
There is rap out there that isn't that way. I'm not denying that. And no, I didn't "grow up in a town where hip hop was terrible". I grew up AROUND PEOPLE where rap was terrible. Everybody in my town would probably listen to country pop and/or country.
Long story short, I'm not generalizing the whole genre, just stating the facts which is rap was (or still is) MOSTLY about said things. There are exceptions. Get that through your head and stop putting words in my mouth.
"Your argument is: hurr no itz not"
My arguement is saying that you are misguided, and proving it by listing artists which you have NOT heard of. These are a bulk of what is regarded as some of the most creative hip hop of our time
"I grew up AROUND PEOPLE where rap was terrible."
That still doesn't make your arguement worthy, I know people who make terrible rap music too. Doesn't mean to say the style of music is bad in any way because of it. If anything, they're part of the culture that has been built up with personality and charisma over the decades.
"Long story short, I'm not generalizing the whole genre, just stating the facts which is rap was (or still is) MOSTLY about said things. "
And how is that not generalising?
In no way is the majority of rap JUST about bitches and money and guns.
No-one cares if you grew up around it, that usually always means fuck all. You probably just have a dislike of rap because of that and you're justifying it with retarded reasoning.