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    [release]
    Atlanta (CNN) -- Soldiers who just returned from Iraq are among several thousand being ordered to Afghanistan in six months as part of a mission designed to beef up Afghan forces ahead of a planned 2014 U.S. military withdrawal, officials said.News of the pending Afghanistan deployments came as families at bases across the country were celebrating the return in recent days of troops who turned off the lights at a number of U.S. bases ahead of an end-of-the-year deadline to leave Iraq.U.S. general brings Baghdad standard home"We are glad that we have brought all soldiers back home in time for Christmas to spend with loved ones. We do have to put information out about an upcoming mission, though," the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division, said Tuesday on its Facebook Page.In the posting, the brigade said it was one of four selected to "support a Security Force Assistance Mission to Afghanistan in early summer."
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    "We just received initial planning orders so lots of details are unknown," it said. "...The mission is part of the transition from combat operations to advisory mission as we did in Iraq and is a sign of progress."Analysts: Questions remain as U.S. troops leave IraqMaj. Carla Thomas, a brigade spokeswoman, confirmed the validity of the Facebook announcement.The new mission is part of an overall U.S. military exit strategy from Afghanistan that moves troops from a combat role to advise-and-assist positions that commanders and analysts say will significantly scale back operations ahead of President Barack Obama's self-imposed deadline to leave the country.Earlier this year, the United States outlined its plan to withdraw its troops, beginning by pulling 33,000 "surge" troops deployed to help quell the violence by the end of 2012. The remaining 68,000 troops would be withdrawn by the end of 2014.News of the deployments comes as the Obama administration pushes to accelerate the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, a plan that many military commanders have said is unreasonable in a country still trying to gain its security footing."I don't think we are going to turn around guys who spent time in Iraq and put them on planes to Afghanistan ... without there being a clear indication that the Obama administration wants to continue the acceleration of the withdrawal," said Bill Roggio, Editor of The Long War Journal & Senior Fellow at The Foundation for Defense of Democracies."U.S. commanders want to stop with the withdrawal of the 33,000 (surge troops.) They want to halt it."Marine Corps Gen. John Allen, commander of the International Security Assistance Force, has said he would like to keep a U.S. "military presence" in Afghanistan beyond 2014 when NATO is scheduled to withdraw its forces. Allen suggested the presence could last as long as 2016 when the Afghan Air Force is completed.
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    Allen told reporters last week there is "no daylight" between him and the White House on this idea. Allen said he wants to shift the U.S. presence to an advisory capacity in the coming months and then continue to do that mission after 2014.Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has asked Allen to review the counterinsurgency strategy and determine what changes are needed. Allen said he has to complete the review before he can decide on the rate of drawdown of current U.S. force levels.The new mission in Afghanistan somewhat mirrors the U.S. exit strategy in Iraq, which used advise and assist teams to improve counterterrorism operations and train security forces.Just like in Iraq, small teams of American troops will work and live among security forces, and will help coordinate military operations, according to comments Allen made to reporters last week.In its Facebook posting, the 4th Brigade Combat Team said those who would be deployed in advise-and-assist roles would be senior enlisted personnel, ranging from master sergeants to colonels.The deployment was expected to last nine months, though it was unclear how many members of the brigade will deploy.Also being deployed are troops from the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division from Fort Stewart, Georgia; the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division from Fort Carson, Colorado; and the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.The brigade deployments were first reported this week by Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that caters to military personnel.Under an Army policy, troops are given one month of dwell time for every month they are deployed. In the case of 1st Armored Division's brigade, which returned in December after less than six months in Iraq, its soldiers could be sent to Afghanistan as early as May.The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment. Messages left early Wednesday by CNN at public affairs offices at the 3rd Infantry Division, the 4th Infantry Division and the 101st Airborne Division were not immediately returned.Reactions at Fort Bliss were mixed with some soldiers and families telling CNN by telephone that they were resigned to the specter of an Afghanistan deployment, while others said they were surprised elements of the brigade would be deployed so soon after returning from Iraq.None of the soldiers or their family members were willing to be quoted, citing possible repercussions over speaking to the media without prior approval.Responses to the brigade's Facebook post, though, revealed the feelings of spouses and family members."All we can do is enjoy the time we have with them," one person wrote.Another wrote: "Not even home a week. How sad."Questions remain about the stability of Afghan forces, with some questioning whether an Iraq-style exit strategy can work in Afghanistan."Given that we are 10 years into this, my confidence level is pretty low that we can turn the Afghan forces around," Roggio said.Taliban must have clear representative for peace talks, Karzai saysThe U.S.-led war in Afghanistan began October 7, 2001, with an air campaign that was followed within weeks by a ground invasion. President Barack Obama has called it "the longest-running war in the nation's history".As the United States turned its attention toward Iraq, insurgent violence in Afghanistan flared against Afghan civilians and security forces as well as the U.S. and its coalition partners.In 2009, President Obama authorized a surge of 33,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan to combat the violence.Earlier this year, the president announced a plan to withdraw its troops. The move was followed by withdrawal announcements by most of the NATO nations.[/release]

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    They deserve some rest.
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  2. Post #2
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    July 2009
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    While it sucks that they aren't getting much rest, it's the soldiers life, you go where you are told when you are told. I feel worse for the families' of the soldiers, who had to worry about their loved ones dying overseas, who come home, and have to ship out again to an equally shitty place.

    I hate the Middle East, and I wish the United States had never gone over there in force.
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  3. Post #3
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    December 2009
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    My heart goes out to them. Hopefully, they all get back home safe after the posting in Afghan
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  4. Post #4
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    Damn, that sucks.

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    November 2008
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    This was predictable, poor soldiers. :(
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  6. Post #6
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    Out of Afganistan by 2012
    Into Iran by 2013
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    While it sucks that they aren't getting much rest, it's the soldiers life, you go where you are told when you are told. I feel worse for the families' of the soldiers, who had to worry about their loved ones dying overseas, who come home, and have to ship out again to an equally shitty place.

    I hate the Middle East, and I wish the United States had never gone over there in force.
    The guys there would've probably make a large war with an element of surprise anyway, claiming for their "religious beliefs".
    I don't know, just seems to me that could have happen.

  8. Post #8
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    November 2006
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    Happy Xmas (War is Over) at least for Iraq.

  9. Post #9
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    I can remember someone posting this as a sarcastic joke in the thread about the soldiers leaving, ironic.
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  10. Post #10
    I'LL NEVER STOP
    Dennab
    July 2008
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    I somehow knew this would happen just not this soon.

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    Dennab
    May 2006
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    Hey, at least it's in 6 months and not immediately. Did they really expect not to get sent back out? What else would the military be paying them for?
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    August 2011
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    Such is the life of a soldier i suppose.

  13. Post #13
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    August 2008
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    My dads currently in Afghanistan. From what he said, the country is essentially a shithole that will fall apart once NATO withdraws. The "police" cant do shit. Taliban doesnt fight conventionally, but strikes and runs, as they dont have enough weapons to engage the army. They have max. 15 minutes to fight, after that, air support comes and blows them up. So most of the deaths are from IEDs, which are a bitch.
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    Next will probably be Iran, we will probably be in the Middle East untill the 20's.

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    My dads currently in Afghanistan. From what he said, the country is essentially a shithole that will fall apart once NATO withdraws. The "police" cant do shit. Taliban doesnt fight conventionally, but strikes and runs, as they dont have enough weapons to engage the army. They have max. 15 minutes to fight, after that, air support comes and blows them up. So most of the deaths are from IEDs, which are a bitch.
    Afghanistan has the most trained and "skilled" Taliban though, these guys have been fighting for years and been repelling invaders for years. Afghanistan historically has been that country that can't be taken over. The bomb makers are by far the most clever and smart makers, a lot of the shit they make is fairly sophisticated.
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    I don't like how the United States is the world police Country.

    It fucking pisses me off.
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  17. Post #17
    I once watched a girl get eaten by a horse and it was bad
    Dead Madman's Avatar
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    I get fairly confused when people say "aww give 'em a rest", I mean, yes they deserve a rest, but they went into this job knowing this kind of shit would happen?
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    I can remember someone posting this as a sarcastic joke in the thread about the soldiers leaving, ironic.
    I remember hearing that this was pretty much Obama's plan anyway. Not sure where I heard it from, though.
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    Such is life in America... Oh wait...

  20. Post #20
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    My dads currently in Afghanistan. From what he said, the country is essentially a shithole that will fall apart once NATO withdraws. The "police" cant do shit. Taliban doesnt fight conventionally, but strikes and runs, as they dont have enough weapons to engage the army. They have max. 15 minutes to fight, after that, air support comes and blows them up. So most of the deaths are from IEDs, which are a bitch.
    What does your dad do?
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  21. Post #21
    >implications unpleasant
    xxncxx's Avatar
    June 2008
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    I don't like how the United States thinks it's the world police Country.

    It fucking pisses me off.
    ftfy
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  22. Post #22
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    December 2010
    945 Posts
    but guys if we dont the terrorists win

  23. Post #23
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    July 2011
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    but guys if we dont the terrorists win
    Say that to the Vietnamese.
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  24. Post #24
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    August 2007
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    We ended one war to escalate another.
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    December 2010
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    I can't believe anyone volunteers for this bullshit corporate oil war
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    I can't believe anyone volunteers for this bullshit corporate oil war
    There's no oil in Afghanistan.
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    Hash oil.
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  28. Post #28
    DANCE YOU FOOLS
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    November 2007
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    My dads currently in Afghanistan. From what he said, the country is essentially a shithole that will fall apart once NATO withdraws. The "police" cant do shit. Taliban doesnt fight conventionally, but strikes and runs, as they dont have enough weapons to engage the army. They have max. 15 minutes to fight, after that, air support comes and blows them up. So most of the deaths are from IEDs, which are a bitch.
    I also have family in Afghanistan, and all of them said that the Afghan Security Forces (not the police) are actually fairly competent, much more so than they were in 2001-2006. There is still much work to be done and many problems plague the country, but it has gotten better.

  29. Post #29
    Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!
    JerryK's Avatar
    April 2006
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    saw this coming from a mile away

    can't wait to continue wasting money and lives in Afghanistan

  30. Post #30
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    but guys if we dont the terrorists win
    God bless 'Merica.
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  31. Post #31
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    If only the CIA hadn't been such assholes back in the Cold War to Afghanistan (overthrowing a democracy to create a puppet ruler). Maybe the Middle East wouldn't be pissed at us.

    Also, maybe giving resistance fighters/extremists weapons and training to fight the Soviets was not the best idea, considering they're using them against us now.
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    Wow!👏Great moves! 👍Keep it up!😁
    J!NX's Avatar
    February 2006
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    I don't like how the United States is the world police Country.

    It fucking pisses me off.
    I think Team America: World Police sums up what America probably looks like right now to other certain countries. Only, obviously not as dramatic and definitely more serious.
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  33. Post #33
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    August 2010
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    seems to be turning into less of a war and more just US trying to control the middle east.
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  34. Post #34
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    Out of Afganistan by 2012
    Into Iran by 2013
    Iran into 2013.

    Sorry..
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  35. Post #35
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    February 2008
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    Didnt Obama get the Nobel peace prize because he was gonna stop the war in Afghanistan or something?
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    Didnt Obama get the Nobel peace prize because he was gonna stop the war in Afghanistan or something?
    Even Obama doesn't know why he got the Nobel peace prize.

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  37. Post #37
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    Did you guys really think they were coming home for good? Were only pulling out of Iraq, not the entire Middle East.
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    Ask me about my 'female train' fetish.
    ViralHatred's Avatar
    January 2006
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    I don't like how the United States is the world police Country.

    It fucking pisses me off.
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  39. Post #39
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    Dennab
    June 2010
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    Guys, please.

    The U.S isn't the only country in the Sandbox right now.

    United States
    United Kingdom
    Germany
    France
    Poland
    Romania
    Turkey
    Australia
    Spain
    Afghanistan


    It's not just the U.S. Quit acting like the US is the only one to blame for everything.
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  40. Post #40
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    September 2006
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    I can't believe anyone volunteers for this bullshit corporate oil war
    Opium.
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