1. Post #81
    I never said people just instantly die when they are shot. Unless they are shot critically in the heart/lungs/head. That wasn't my point either.
    You're a goddamn moron, Any gunshot wound is inevitably fatal without treatment, Plenty of people have sustained shots to say, the hand, and died from the subsequent bloodloss. Bullet wounds aren't like a game of COD. You're obviously an "Armchair Badass" who has lived such a dull life they think that the real world acts like SWAT 4 or some shit.

    And so, you think a teenager with a knife is a threat when you are pointing a gun at him at semi-close range? Huh.. Yeah the kid's in danger that's for sure. The cop? Not so much. Not in this case anyway.
    You're seriously dumb. Really. Anyone with any weapon is a threat. A bald rheumatic man with a big blue dildo wielding it as a weapon is still a threat. He could easily bonk someone into unconciousness/choke them with it.

    Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."
    OH NOOO! A GUNSHOT WOUND WILL HURT! GASP!.

    You realize the teenager was trying to get shot? He wanted the cop to shoot him multiple times. The thread is all about how he managed to avoid shooting him 16 times and instead shot him twice.

    I thought the 45 couldn't even penetrate a deck of cards. There was that one video of that guy dissing the 9mm and 45 somewhere.
    Yeah uh.. That's bullshit. the 9mm can penetrate kevlar with fewer shots than .45, And the .45 has low armor penetration, But the .45 will break ribs quicker. It has much more concussive force.

    God I wouldn't wanna talk to the guy jesus, I just wouldn't want to shoot him EVEN if he had a knife unless HE forced me to it.

    "HEY DUMBASS KID, DROP THE KNIFE OR I WILL KNEE-CAP YOU STUPID FUCK! NOW PUT IT DOWN!"
    "-no i will charge at u hurrdurr im a ninja"
    *BANG*
    "Stupid motherfucker.."
    Jesus christ you are thicker than a cinderblock. Really. I hope you're never allowed to handle firearms.

    Edited:

    fuck that was a big post
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  2. Post #82
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    I can't believe how everytime there is a knife incident, SOMEONE screams about the police should have used the taser.

    No.

    The X26 has roughly a ~25ft or so range on the barbs, just a mere step beyond the 21 foot rule. Knives are not to be played around with. Knives are deadly force and can inflict much more damage than a gunshot wound.

    You bring a knife to a gunfight you pay the price like this moron did.

    And I am glad that someone posted about traditional vests and knives. Regardless, even if your vest did stop a knife blow you still have other exposed regions that you do not want stabbed or slashed.

    This was a good shoot. The suspect brought this upon himself and had numerous chances to drop his weapon. Less lethal was about to be deployed and HE, the SUSPECT, turned it into a lethal force
    scenario, not the police.

    There is a video somewhere, not sure where it was filmed at, which shows what happens when you dick off with a guy wielding a knife. It did not end well for those officers. (One of the officers even had a damn AK.)
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  3. Post #83
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    Anyway I'm just saying that if I was the cop pointing a gun at the crazed knife-wielding teenager, I'd just say "Don't try anything funny, or I will shoot you, and it will hurt. Your choice."
    And how exactly would you find the time to do this when someone's charging at you with a knife? You're in an extremely intense life threatening situation that takes about 5 seconds to play out, not a fantasy world where the moron with the knife is going to stop and think about his actions and realize "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea after all!".
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  4. Post #84
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    This may be a surprise to some people on here but, police officer do not want to shoot someone. More cops retire/find new work after being involved in an OIS. Why? Because you shot someone (which, for your egos demise -- is very emotionally challenging to do). This is also the reason why police officers drink more then any other person.
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  5. Post #85
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    Pretty clear-cut self defense.
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  6. Post #86
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    Stupid CoD fanboys.

  7. Post #87
    Surprised nobody's called the cop a fascist pig yet
    I think JDK's working his way there.
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  8. Post #88
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    The police were justified in their self-defense. It sounds like the kid was making a deadly charge with a weapon, and that is grounds for this kind of action.

  9. Post #89
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    Running at a cop with a knife never ends well, and this just proves that.

    I guess the kid played too much counter strike, you know running with knife makes you run faster.

  10. Post #90
    Dennab
    July 2009
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    this was the dumbest shit. He charged the guy, why the fuck? He was almost sure to be shot.
    "Haha I bet he isn't actually going to sho-"

    ...

    "MOMMY"
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  11. Post #91
    Dennab
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    And how exactly would you find the time to do this when someone's charging at you with a knife? You're in an extremely intense life threatening situation that takes about 5 seconds to play out, not a fantasy world where the moron with the knife is going to stop and think about his actions and realize "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea after all!".
    Yes well, the moment the attacker comes at you charging, feel free to shoot him. Your trigger finger wired to your brain is a bit faster than 5 seconds.
    So if you can't seem to find enough time to reason with the attacker, just shoot.

    Didn't really came in here to argue about.. that.

    late-edit, how did I ever become so entrenched in a stupid argument.
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  12. Post #92
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    It's nice to see something like this about police in the media, instead of another case of an officer assaulting a mentally handicapped person or the like. All police officers aren't assholes and it's good to see it shown from time to time.
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  13. Post #93
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    I think JDK's working his way there.
    nope, I watched the video, and it was justified self-defense

    way to be an asshole
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  14. Post #94
    What, some guy said gunshots aren't lethal most of the time, I agreed, then you call me a moron for that.

    Anyway, with the dialogues I wrote and people quoting on the last page.. Fuck it, just forget it.
    The truth is, With a nearby highly-trained EMT or doctor, No, gunshot wounds aren't fatal. With no EMT or doctor nearby, The survival-if-not-taken-to-treatment rate drops atleast 50%. Even a fully-first-aid-trained Police Officer cannot guarantee survival from a gunshot wound even after applying first aid, even in a sterile environment with sterile equipment.

    Gunshot wounds are fatal unless they are treated in a quick period of time, No you won't die in seconds(Read: You will die if untreated) from a shot to the foot or hand but you will lose lots of blood fast and infection is likely.
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  15. Post #95
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    Some (2) cops were attacked by a knife man from a bush, they used pepperspray and their nightsticks to apprehend him without pulling their sidearms and popping a cap in his ass.
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  16. Post #96
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  17. Post #97
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    nope, I watched the video, and it was justified self-defense

    way to be an asshole
    Just going off your track record is all he was doing.
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  18. Post #98
    Dennab
    July 2007
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    Just going off your track record is all he was doing.
    lol

    no he was attacking a strawman is what he was doing

  19. Post #99
    Yeah okay but that wasn't the point. And pretty sure gunshot can be fatal, like if struck in the heart. But that's just one weak point..
    My god. I'm terribly sorry, You appear to be educationally subnormal.

    ANYGUNSHOTISDEADLYANYGUNSHOTISDEADLYANYGUNSHOTISDE ADLYANYGUNSHOTISDEADLYANYGUNSHOTISDEADLY

    Get that through your GODDAMN HEAD. Real Life is not a game of CoD 6: MW2: Bad Company: Vietnam.
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  20. Post #100
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    Tazers are hard to use, one prong fires directly forward and another one shoots at a downward angle. They don't both come out at the same direction. And for tazers to work, both prongs have to hit the target. The farther away a target is, the more likely you are going to miss. The prongs spread fast and far in a small amount of distance, you have to be right on a target to hit them with 100% accuracy and certainty. Tazers also have one shot. And if the person charging you with a knife is on drugs, chances are they can still attack you and kill you even if you got both prongs in and are frying their ass.

    On the other hands, guns shoot straight and have less exceptions to them. Cop's training of "shooting until threat is eliminated" will make sure any threat will stop, even if they are on drugs.

    Sorry but it's not a perfect world. Can't use tazers, mace, and batons for everything.

    Would be a wonderful alternative. Also, drugs won't block out electricity, unless you've been ingesting solid gold to make it go through the gold instead of your muscles. If your muscles would be unaffected by electrical charges you'd fall over and die because your heart would stop beating and your muscles wouldn't be able to move.
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  21. Post #101
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    Source



    There is a DashCam video in the source.
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    The shooting was justified by the 21-Foot rule. A great job by the police.
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    Would be a wonderful alternative. Also, drugs won't block out electricity, unless you've been ingesting solid gold to make it go through the gold instead of your muscles. If your muscles would be unaffected by electrical charges you'd fall over and die because your heart would stop beating and your muscles wouldn't be able to move.
    OK then.

    The gold thing is utter bullshit. Electricity does not work that way. Plus, those shotguns aren't officially adopted because they cost umpteenth dollars, aren't exactly compact, and police officers can't exactly wander round with fucking shotguns.
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  23. Post #103
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    Looks cool though.
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  24. Post #104
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    March 2009
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    those shotguns are retarded. Biggest waste of money ever. They won't chamber regular rounds for safety reasons. The taser shells won't be used in a regular shotgun for safety reasons. Why even make it a shotgun in the first place? You're buying a less lethal shotgun, when you already have regular shotguns, and most PDs won't use the less lethal shells with the shotguns they already have. Plus, each taser round for the damn thing is $160
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  25. Post #105
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    Would be a wonderful alternative. Also, drugs won't block out electricity, unless you've been ingesting solid gold to make it go through the gold instead of your muscles. If your muscles would be unaffected by electrical charges you'd fall over and die because your heart would stop beating and your muscles wouldn't be able to move.
    It looks like it's made out of LEGO.

    Actually, a shotgun that shoots LEGO wouldn't be that bad an idea. It'd be like a beanbag round, but fun!
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  26. Post #106
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    Would be a wonderful alternative. Also, drugs won't block out electricity, unless you've been ingesting solid gold to make it go through the gold instead of your muscles. If your muscles would be unaffected by electrical charges you'd fall over and die because your heart would stop beating and your muscles wouldn't be able to move.
    Because every police station is equipped with state of the art secondary weaponry such as a lego-plated pump-action shotgun.
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  27. Post #107
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  28. Post #108
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    The truth is, With a nearby highly-trained EMT or doctor, No, gunshot wounds aren't fatal. With no EMT or doctor nearby, The survival-if-not-taken-to-treatment rate drops atleast 50%. Even a fully-first-aid-trained Police Officer cannot guarantee survival from a gunshot wound even after applying first aid, even in a sterile environment with sterile equipment.

    Gunshot wounds are fatal unless they are treated in a quick period of time, No you won't die in seconds(Read: You will die if untreated) from a shot to the foot or hand but you will lose lots of blood fast and infection is likely.
    Plenty of gunshot wounds aren't fatal.

    I don't know where you got the impression that guns are magic, but just like not all knife wounds are fatal, not all gunshot wounds are fatal without treatment. Unless you consider simply applying pressure to the wound treatment. Though even then, bullets glance off bone matter all the time, leaving wounds that would heal on their own. Or you can get shots that go clean through non important portions of the body. Or rounds that simply wing their target.

    Bullets aren't magic.
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  29. Post #109
    Yeah up your ass.
    You have to be REALLY stupid to think you still have an argument. Really. You're being such a fool.

    Edited:

    Plenty of gunshot wounds aren't fatal.

    I don't know where you got the impression that guns are magic, but just like not all knife wounds are fatal, not all gunshot wounds are fatal without treatment. Unless you consider simply applying pressure to the wound treatment. Though even then, bullets glance off bone matter all the time, leaving wounds that would heal on their own. Or you can get shots that go clean through non important portions of the body. Or rounds that simply wing their target.

    Bullets aren't magic.
    That kid doesn't seem to get the fact that a gunshot wound is goddamn dangerous, Rather than a pew-pew annoyance like he's experienced in games.
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  30. Post #110
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  31. Post #111
    Optimal non-threatening gunshot wound; straight through the side of your stomach, hardly scratched your intestine but didn't like penetrate your kidney, apply pressure to both wounds, hell a hello-kitty plaster on both entrance and exit wounds and you are good to go while your body does the job of healing.

    So yeah I don't get where Drsalvador gets those blunt claims of his but still one thing is sure, bullets are fucking nasty and WILL kill you if the shooters knows his business.
    Wow... Just. Wow. Do you realize the kind of concussive force that would entail? With a 9mm it would be marginal but.. Just wow. You Fail Biology Forever.

    Edited:

    Besides, You're taking the EXACT same thing i said and saying it in a different manner to make yourself sound smart. You moron.

    Edited:

    I can't even be bothered arguing anymore, You're obviously such a sheltered, mindless little gretchin that you can't even comprehend what i'm saying properly.
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  32. Post #112
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    Should've mentioned that obviously it depends on the gun too and the ammunition.

    Can you imagine an assault rifle heavy caliber bullet RIPPING your fucking arm off? I mean I saw some security footage of an assault rifle incident and it looked brutal. Not exactly the kinda shit you see in videogames..
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  33. Post #113
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    Optimal non-threatening gunshot wound; straight through the side of your stomach, hardly scratched your intestine but didn't like penetrate your kidney, apply pressure to both wounds, hell a hello-kitty plaster on both entrance and exit wounds and you are good to go while your body does the job of healing.

    So yeah I don't get where Drsalvador gets those blunt claims of his but still one thing is sure, bullets are fucking nasty and WILL kill you if the shooters knows his business.
    Rounds virtually never go through their target unless they are designed to armor piercing rounds. It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to shoot you with armor piercing rounds. And if you are wearing body armor, then those still rarely go through you.

    Getting shot in the gut, pretty much anywhere, is going to eventually kill you. The bullet is likely going to perforate your intestine and cause you to go septic damn quick. Most bullets are going to mushroom to some degree and possibly even break apart inside you, turning bits of you to hamburger meat.

    There are definitely non-lethal shots, but if someone scores a hit to your torso that doesn't deflect off a rib, you are pretty fucked.
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  34. Post #114
    Oh yeah sorry had to restart my pc.

    Should've mentioned that obviously it depends on the gun too and the ammunition.

    I mean, can you imagine an assault rifle heavy caliber bullet RIPPING your fucking arm off? I mean I saw some security footage of an assault rifle incident and it looked brutal. Not exactly the kinda shit you see in videogames..
    goddamnitstopdrivingmeinsanegoddamnityou'relikemyp ersonalnecronomicongoddamnit

    5.56 DOES NOT RIP ARMS OFF. Nor does a standard-calibre 9mm round, If i remember correctly 5.56 either shards or twists violently on contact with flesh due to :science: and physics. It'll break your arm too.

    7.62 would fuck your day up though, Not a completely-gone arm but definitely alot of flesh missing and a pulverized bone, There's a reason the M60 and AK47 use it.

    Goddamnitgoddamnitgoddamnit. I'mdonewiththisshitgoddamnit
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  35. Post #115
    Dennab
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    edit, cleaning up shit
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  36. Post #116
    7.62mm is a standard NATO round, It's the round used in the AK-47 and most of its variants, and the M60, I'm not sure about its other usages however..
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  37. Post #117
    Dennab
    October 2010
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    yup

  38. Post #118

    The one next to 5.56(Which is the standard round for most if not all western armed forces), 7.62x39mm. That's what's used in the AK-47, It's famed for its range and penetration.

    On the far left you have the 9mm, The standard sidearm round in most western countries.

    In the middle we have the .45ACP, It used to be the standard sidearm round but has fallen out of practice, as despite great stopping power, it lacks the Armor Peircing of a 9mm.

    Far right is .50BMG, used in the Browning M2 and Barrett M82 Sniper, A single hit from that will chunkify you regardless of your armor or status. It will REALLY ruin your fucking day. A shot to a limb would either turn it into pulled pork or remove it entirely.

    Edited:

    What's a Browning M2, you ask?

    This motherfucker.
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  39. Post #119
    Dennab
    October 2010
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    Yeah I figured. Like I said, I wasn't saying that bullets are like fucking needles that pass right through..

  40. Post #120
    They're not like needles that pass through. Read Gunfox's post.