1. Post #1
    hzy
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    hey guys, I recently got the Idea of becoming a VPS host and seeing as there are some here I thought this would be the best place to ask.

    I was thinking that the standard setup was using WHMCS, SolusVM and OpenVZ/ Xen is this true?

    also how does automatic provisioning work? is it something inbuilt into those programs or will i have to make some scripts to make it happen?

    finally on this dedi http://www.serversaustralia.com.au/i...d=19&Itemid=29 (the cheapest one with RAM upgrade) how many clients could I fit onto a node with a Xen 128mb RAM / 5GB storage 50GB bandwidth plan.

    PS its going to be australian (from the link above) so what do you think would be reasonable pricing, $6 a VPS?

    Edited:

    bah, forgot to add, how does the assignment of IP's work?

  2. Post #2
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    I don't mean to be brash, but if you need to ask Facepunch how to set yourself up as a VPS host, you're probably not going to be a very good one.

    I'd recommend experimenting in VMWare, getting a test VPS hosting setup going and then trying to start a business out of it.
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  3. Post #3
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    yeah, I have a Linux box at home and I'm going to get everything tested and working on that before I even consider hiring a dedicated server.

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    In that case, you might want to talk to Nick from Fanatical VPS. He's Fizzadar round these parts.

  5. Post #5
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    OpenVZ/Xen + SolusVM + WHMCS + a lot of Linux knowledge and know-how + patience + marketing skill (which is where I lack the most, and am learning).

    Oh, and a target market, that's probably the most important bit which is relevant to everything.

  6. Post #6
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    You're likely to have less problems with OpenVZ than Xen if you've never used virtualisation before, and that's a good thing since you're unlikely to know how to fix them.

    Edit: On that server, I'd say maybe 15 instances of that configuration. Of course, this totally depends and it's a skill you have to learn if you're going OpenVZ, overselling is pretty much part of the business plan on OpenVZ.

  7. Post #7
    hzy
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    im gouing to need to load 20-25 vpss per node to remain profitable.

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    You'll never get decent VPS plans with those servers B/W offerings.
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  9. Post #9
    hzy
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    I see your point, data in Australia cost to much to start a profitable VPS hosting company. i have had a look around and most costs are reasonable but BW of 1TB a month seems to be going for $300/m by itself.

    EDIT:
    $450 at 10mbit or
    $800 at 100mbit

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    I just bought a Dell PowerEdge R410. I am having a grand time.
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    I just bought a Dell PowerEdge R410. I am having a grand time.
    jesus christ

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    I just bought a Dell PowerEdge R410. I am having a grand time.
    what are you using that for?

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    It's for a company I'm starting. :haw:
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    big dicks inc.

    Edited:

    wait
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    big dicks inc.

    Edited:

    wait
    Sounds like something you'd run.
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    Sounds like something you'd run.
    :respek:

  17. Post #17
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    Fiz just spent 5 mins with me on MSN answering my questions, what a cool guy, helping a potential competitor set up. :D

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    You're not much competition.

    People only ever get Australian servers if they want the low latency, otherwise it's much cheaper just to get an overseas server.
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  19. Post #19
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    i have scrapped the idea of doing australian vpss now, the isp backed companies can do deal that i cant even dream of.

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    What does everyone wanna be a fucking reseller now?
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  21. Post #21
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    fairly straightforward to make money after you have set it up

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    fairly straightforward to make money after you have set it up
    Well of course, and if you can do it well and have a good marketing plan, do it.

  23. Post #23
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    Please don't be like that other guy earlier this summer and use unlicensed software and have no idea what he was doing.
    If not, then good luck!
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  24. Post #24
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    fairly straightforward to make money after you have set it up
    It really isn't. When shit really hits the fan you've gotta be ready.

    For example:

    You go smooth sailing, pretty much entirely autopilot for two weeks. Then all three servers start suffering the same issues, random 5 minute drop outs 24/7, neither the DC, SolusVM or you can work out what the issue is. To fix it, you end up pulling a straight 36 hour session at the desk until you find the issue and clear up the mess.

    Stupid OpenVZ kernel was borked, and the drop outs only effected the main IP and sporadically other IP's at random, not a fun weekend.
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    It really isn't. When shit really hits the fan you've gotta be ready.

    For example:

    You go smooth sailing, pretty much entirely autopilot for two weeks. Then all three servers start suffering the same issues, random 5 minute drop outs 24/7, neither the DC, SolusVM or you can work out what the issue is. To fix it, you end up pulling a straight 36 hour session at the desk until you find the issue and clear up the mess.

    Stupid OpenVZ kernel was borked, and the drop outs only effected the main IP and sporadically other IP's at random, not a fun weekend.
    ouch.

  26. Post #26
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    Yup :/

    In good news though, in a week we could have not only a new site, but also US unmetered VPS!

  27. Post #27
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    Hell Yes?
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    monster

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    Sounds like something you'd run.
    I'm unsure on if this is an affectionate sort of compliment or a slanderous remark

  30. Post #30
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    What's it for, may I ask?

  31. Post #31
    I spent $10 on this.
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    What's it for, may I ask?
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  32. Post #32
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    If you use the KVM hypervisor, I would make sweet love to you.

    Edited:

    RHEL is always a plus, but CentOS is good enough.

  33. Post #33
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    Yup :/

    In good news though, in a week we could have not only a new site, but also US unmetered VPS!
    FUCK YES.
    a

  34. Post #34
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    Yup :/

    In good news though, in a week we could have not only a new site, but also US unmetered VPS!
    Woot.

  35. Post #35
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    I was having a look at datacenters and it appears that Hetzner was the way to go with their EQ8 plan able to dominate http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/pro...ootserver/eq8/ do you think I could fit 50-60 128mb xen vpss' on one of those?

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    I was having a look at datacenters and it appears that Hetzner was the way to go with their EQ8 plan able to dominate http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/pro...ootserver/eq8/ do you think I could fit 50-60 128mb xen vpss' on one of those?
    Most likely not with that processor.

    The drives will be your bottleneck way before anything else.

  37. Post #37
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    "(Software-RAID 1)"

    ick

  38. Post #38
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    "(Software-RAID 1)"

    ick
    Even though it still works surprisingly well.

  39. Post #39
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    Software RAID 1 is perfectly fine in my experience. IO load is far more a bottleneck than the CPU/RAM load produced by software RAID.

    The bottleneck always tends to be one or two VM's using heavy databases, and pushing a lot of IO.

  40. Post #40
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    Went to the data center today and installed my server with my friend who runs www.beyondhosting.net who was also installing another dedicated server.

    Here are a few pictures:

    Down the Column:


    Servers Racked:


    And Another:
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