1. Post #41
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    Because then you guys would complain that we copied zombie master
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  2. Post #42
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    If you made it all from scratch, then why is it called Zombie Master? Why would it even need to be related to Zombie Master in any way?



    Crediting someone isn't enough. If you don't get their permission, then they don't want you using their map in your mod. It's that simple! Now go ask the original mapper of DocksoftheDead if he approves of your mod!
    If they didn't want the map to be used, they wouldn't have released the map pack including all of the maps along with the source code.
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  3. Post #43
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    So you took Zombie Master's name and concept, and you don't expect people to think you ported over the code? Gee, that's some smart thinking.

    If they didn't want the map to be used, they wouldn't have released the map pack including all of the maps along with the source code.
    Gee, it sure is a good thing you read this little information packet that came with the sourcecode, now isn't it?

    http://www.zombiemaster.org/README.txt
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  4. Post #44
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    If you made it all from scratch, then why is it called Zombie Master? Why would it even need to be related to Zombie Master in any way?



    Crediting someone isn't enough. If you don't get their permission, then they don't want you using their map in your mod. It's that simple! Now go ask the original mapper of DocksoftheDead if he approves of your mod!
    Because it's a port.

    And if a mapper has a problem with us using their map, they can contact us.
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  5. Post #45
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    If you made it all from scratch, then why is it called Zombie Master? Why would it even need to be related to Zombie Master in any way?
    Because we re-created ZOMBIE MASTER from scratch, we didn't make a whole new game, we took the zombie master concept and remade it, and we're adding more to it, and making our own touches to it.

    Crediting someone isn't enough. If you don't get their permission, then they don't want you using their map in your mod. It's that simple! Now go ask the original mapper of DocksoftheDead if he approves of your mod!
    Oh fuck off, We're using all the Zombie Master maps we want and really nothing is gonna happen but you bitching about it trying to be right. When they complain we'll take em off, all their credit is there where they left it in the game_text entity for everyone to see. They made the maps for ZOMBIE MASTER which is what it is being used for. Cry more, please.
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  6. Post #46
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    Because we re-created ZOMBIE MASTER from scratch, we didn't make a whole new game, we took the zombie master concept and remade it, and we're adding more to it, and making our own touches to it.



    Oh fuck off, We're using all the Zombie Master maps we want and really nothing is gonna happen but you bitching about it trying to be right. When they complain we'll take em off, all their credit is there where they left it in the game_text entity for everyone to see. They made the maps for ZOMBIE MASTER which is what it is being used for. Cry more, please.
    I don't think Pi Mu Rho is going to like you stealing his map very much. And still, read this : http://www.zombiemaster.org/README.txt
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  7. Post #47
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    So you took Zombie Master's name and concept, and you don't expect people to think you ported over the code? Gee, that's some smart thinking.



    Gee, it sure is a good thing you read this little information packet that came with the sourcecode, now isn't it?

    http://www.zombiemaster.org/README.txt
    As we said we recoded the entire game WITH permission.
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  8. Post #48
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    Stop posting, katherine's just trolling.
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  9. Post #49
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    As we said we recoded the entire game WITH permission.
    Allow me to bolden what I want you to see :

    Note that all terms of the license apply exclusively to the Zombie Master code.
    In order to (for example) redistribute the Zombie Master maps, models,
    textures, and other art assets, you will need to get separate permission from
    the respective authors.
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  10. Post #50
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    I don't think Pi Mu Rho is going to like you stealing his map very much. And still, read this : http://www.zombiemaster.org/README.txt
    Your license link doesn't apply to us because we A. have permission, B. Didn't use source code regardless.

    And if the mapper has an issue with it they can contact us, not you. Go the fuck away for fuck sakes you aren't making any fucking point.

    I'm sure they won't care that we're giving their maps life.
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  11. Post #51
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    Your license link doesn't apply to us because we A. have permission, B. Didn't use source code regardless.

    And if the mapper has an issue with it they can contact us, not you. Go the fuck away for fuck sakes you aren't making any fucking point.
    Really now, you have permission to use Pi's map? Care to show me where he said this? And if you're using the concept/maps of ZM, then yes, it does apply to you.
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  12. Post #52
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    If they didn't want the map to be used, they wouldn't have released the map pack including all of the maps along with the source code.
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  13. Post #53
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    You're not Pi go away.
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  14. Post #54
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    Really now, you have permission to use Pi's map? Care to show me where he said this? And if you're using the concept/maps of ZM, then yes, it does apply to you.
    If they didn't want the map to be used, they wouldn't have released the map pack including all of the maps along with the source code.


    Here's what you can do, Have your mapper buddies that you care so much about contact their lawyers, and mail us the summons.
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  15. Post #55
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    GODDAMNIT, READ I SAY REAAAAAAAD :

    Note that all terms of the license apply exclusively to the Zombie Master code.
    In order to (for example) redistribute the Zombie Master maps, models,
    textures, and other art assets, you will need to get separate permission from
    the respective authors.


    The reason that it's included in the source code is so you can see how a map is supposed to work in Zombie master, not so you can use it as your own without their permission!

    (User was banned for this post ("Troll" - grea$emonkey))
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  16. Post #56
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    Really now, you have permission to use Pi's map? Care to show me where he said this? And if you're using the concept/maps of ZM, then yes, it does apply to you.
    We have permission to recode and use the concept of ZM.

    Sure, we don't have the mappers permission to use their maps, if they even care that much.
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  17. Post #57
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    GODDAMNIT, READ I SAY REAAAAAAAD :

    Note that all terms of the license apply exclusively to the Zombie Master code.
    In order to (for example) redistribute the Zombie Master maps, models,
    textures, and other art assets, you will need to get separate permission from
    the respective authors.


    The reason that it's included in the source code is so you can see how a map is supposed to work in Zombie master, not so you can use it as your own without their permission!
    The map pack is not included with the Source code, they are both separate files for download. So you just failed at proving a point.
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  18. Post #58
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    Katherine, read kevin's post, he just said "we don't care, sue us".

    Edit:
    This is actually quite fun, I kind of feel sorry for the people who have to browse through it.
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  19. Post #59
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    GODDAMNIT, READ I SAY REAAAAAAAD :

    Note that all terms of the license apply exclusively to the Zombie Master code.
    In order to (for example) redistribute the Zombie Master maps, models,
    textures, and other art assets, you will need to get separate permission from
    the respective authors.


    The reason that it's included in the source code is so you can see how a map is supposed to work in Zombie master, not so you can use it as your own without their permission!

    Here go bother Sassilization for using css deathrun maps, then when you're done go bother whoever is porting models from so many games into the source engine! YEAH MAN WE'LL GET EM ALL! YAAHHH!

    Edited:

    (User was banned for this post ("Troll" - grea$emonkey))
    We're still winning.
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  20. Post #60
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    your argument went from "we're doing nothing wrong" to "sue us"


    uhhh
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  21. Post #61
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    -snip-

    Are you Katherine's friend?
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  22. Post #62
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    your argument went from "we're doing nothing wrong" to "sue us"


    uhhh
    It still remains that we're doing nothing wrong. We have permission to create the game. But I'm not gonna argue with idiots on if we're right or not, so if they wanna keep going that's my response. But everyone in gamemodes section is destined to find everything wrong with creativity instead of support.
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  23. Post #63
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    sure is good thread around here
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  24. Post #64
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    You got it.
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  25. Post #65
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    sure is good thread around here
    Pretty much became argument, cause we have too many genius's around here with sooo much knowledge to share.
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  26. Post #66
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    I know this is Facepunch and all but that ban was pretty uncalled for. Kat has a legitimate point there about getting permission from respective authors. I think the moderator might want to rethink the difference between disagreeing with someone and having a healthy argument about content permissions. Pi Mu Rho Would be the one you'd need permission from to use or package in any of the default ZM maps. In most cases maps can be freely used but here it is laid down plainly for all to see that permission is needed.

    Also please don't lower yourselves to the level where you just say "I'm using it, sue me." That's just wrong and you know it. If that's how you feel about permissions then I'm not so sure I'd want my ZM maps associated with this.

    Other user created maps are totally different from the default ones as far as usage goes. When a user decides to release a map to the public and says nothing regarding permissions then it's free for use. This however is different. These are considered property of Pi and it is expected of you, since you're remaking the original game in a different medium and using it's content, to contact him and make sure he personally agrees with you using the maps.
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  27. Post #67
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    We're not making money off it, it's all for fun, to give Zombie Master a new light.
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  28. Post #68
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    Here's what you can do, Have your mapper buddies that you care so much about contact their lawyers, and mail us the summons.
    It still remains that we're doing nothing wrong.
    sure thing buddy

  29. Post #69
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    Lets get back on track here.

  30. Post #70
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    Hey guys look what i made. You only get 12 ammo per ammo can you pick up. So pistol clips make more sense.
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  31. Post #71
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    -Snip-

  32. Post #72
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    sure thing buddy
    Yeah we have 100% permission from an Original dev to remake the game with use of the maps. Tell me what's wrong here. We're taking a game people like, and adding more to it, and if you really can't support it and want to complain about bullshit, then click the fuck out cause it's not gonna fuck stop us from making it.
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  33. Post #73
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    Yeah we have 100% permission from an Original dev to remake the game with use of the maps. Tell me what's wrong here. We're taking a game people like, and adding more to it, and if you really can't support it and want to complain about bullshit, then click the fuck out cause it's not gonna fuck stop us from making it.
    We have no personal vendetta against you or your gamemode. We aren't out to personally insult you even if that's what you've been doing to us.

    But it's only right that you understand BKU, the dev you contacted has the authority to give permission for the code, not the maps. The mapmaker himself is the only one that can give permission as says the README file. That would be Pi Mu Rho and no one else.
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  34. Post #74
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    Okay.
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  35. Post #75
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    We have no personal vendetta against you or your gamemode. We aren't out to personally insult you even if that's what you've been doing to us.

    But it's only right that you understand BKU, the dev you contacted has the authority to give permission for the code, not the maps. The mapmaker himself is the only one that can give permission as says the README file. That would be Pi Mu Rho and no one else.
    And as I stated, when they have an issue they can contact us, and we'd be happy to take their map off. I'm sure mappers won't care if their map as originally made is being used, We're giving their map more life.
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  36. Post #76
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    Swearing constantly in your posts will hardly make people take you any more seriously or legitimately, you know.

    Regardless.

    I do hope you do not use any of the weapon models, either, as that falls in the same line as the map stuff.

    In anycase, I always thought a flame thrower was necessary. Also a special chaingun.

  37. Post #77
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    I swear cause I really don't fucking care if you take me legitimately, We're making the game and we're making it fun, don't like it? Then don't fucking play it.

    Anyway, we are adding flares, and are working on other new weapons...
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  38. Post #78
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    Finally someone constructive, thank you. We do not plan to steal their weapon models. And I'm going to be modeling most of them. A chain gun seems like a great idea, it will be heavy and take a while to spin up. It would add to the gameplay tactics.
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  39. Post #79
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    And as I stated, when they have an issue they can contact us, and we'd be happy to take their map off. I'm sure mappers won't care if their map as originally made is being used, We're giving their map more life.
    As I've already stated this is not the case for the default maps. It says clearly that the default ZM maps that come with the mod itself are to have permission from Pi for usage. This means you must contact HIM before using it. I'd hope that you at least put some effort towards doing things legitimately and stand out among the many content stealers of Gmod.

  40. Post #80
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    Stop derailing the topic please.
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