1. Post #1
    Rashy's Avatar
    November 2009
    2,137 Posts
    Hey,
    I'm considering dual booting xUbuntu on my laptop and was just wondering whether there is anything I can do or do easier on Ubuntu that I cant do on windows 7.
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  2. Post #2
    Pixel Heart's Avatar
    July 2009
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    Multiple desktops without third-party software is nice. :c00l:
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  3. Post #3
    Boris-B's Avatar
    July 2009
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    Here's something that's true for all OSes. You can do all of the same things. You can browse the web , check your emails, do work (spreadsheet/word processing, etc.), listen to music, watch videos, etc.

    Generally if you would compare Linux to Win7 you could say that it's easier to customize your desktop. I also find that under linux coding doesn't become a pain in the ass. The Windows API is pretty horrible. It's also easier to work with libraries.

    Xubuntu is generally faster than Windows 7. The real appeal of Linux is to have complete control over your system.

    Edited:

    One thing you have to consider is if you have to use very specific software that only runs on Windows. You could use wine to run such software but it might not work or give a good result.

    Linux is also "safer". Of course there are exploits but these are fixed very quickly. On windows, exploits can stick around for a long time.

    Try it out and pick the one you like more.

  4. Post #4
    ForTehWolf...2!'s Avatar
    February 2010
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    Just how open and editable it is
    Most people who prefer Linux to Windows or Mac is because of how constricted and unwritable they are

  5. Post #5
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    June 2008
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    Linux beats Windows for common tasks, such as office software, web browsing, etc. It is usually faster and more secure (don't think there aren't any vulnerabilities, just fewer). Many people like it for the easy customization as well.

    Windows, however, has a lot of software Linux doesn't, including most games and applications such as iTunes (there are alternatives, but they just aren't the same). It is possible to run Windows programs through a compatibility layer like WINE, but the results are mixed.

    Really, just look at what you usually do on computers and see if you could do it on Linux. Also, keep in mind that it is possible to dual-boot.
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  6. Post #6
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    January 2008
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    running photoshop properly

    Edited:

    wine is really annoying for what it is tbh after you configure and all dis stuff there are still always some weird holes and crashes everywhere

  7. Post #7
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    August 2008
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    I have never had such an issue in WINE. I am beginning to think I have very good luck.

  8. Post #8
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    January 2008
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    yes you are lucky
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  9. Post #9
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    March 2008
    112 Posts
    Advantages of Windows(I have used up to vista, but 7 should be similar)
    [LIST][*]Native software runs faster with less bugs[*]More support in general as more people use the OS[*]Nice default settings(Ubuntu has nice ones too, so this point does not really count)[/LIST]
    Advantages of Ubuntu
    [LIST][*]Tends to be faster(due to the ability to disable everything you don't need)[*]WINE tends to at the very least run most windows software[*]Respitories make getting software and updating very easy[*]Very easy to customize[*]Install tends to take up less space than a windows install[*]Free (not really a point for laptops as they mostly come with Windows already installed[/LIST]
    NOTE: If you plan on running Gmod, it will work in directx8.1 mode(look here to see what you are missing http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w...rectX_Versions) without a hitch in WINE, but you WILL lose FPS(I went down from 130-110)
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  10. Post #10
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    They both have their ups and downs. Ubuntu can do pretty much anything/everything Winders can and then some.

    Edited:

    Linux beats Windows for common tasks, such as office software, web browsing,
    How are those any different in Windows than Linux?
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  11. Post #11
    killman's Avatar
    March 2008
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    Panda its not that Linux's version of the software is better in those areas, its that Microsoft's software advantages don't show in that area, allowing Linux's other advantages to be more valid.

  12. Post #12
    mrhippieguy's Avatar
    June 2009
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    1. speed

    i think the speed is matched with windows 7 now, but i'm not sure. it's always taken exponentially longer to do certain task with windows as compared to ubuntu(saving .blends to a flash drive takes up to 30 minutes on windows, never took more than 30 seconds for the same file here).

    2. aesthetics

    compiz. that is all to be said on that subject.

    3. customizability

    open-source, obviously. even without the knowledge to code your own programs, it's still has a bit more freedom to customize.

    4. the terminal

    depends on your preference really, but the linux terminal is fun. makes you feel like an absolute nerd, in a good way.

    other than that, you can do pretty much everything that windows can. i'd mention the gaming problem(no directX, harder to run proprietary games), but you're dual booting, no problems here.

  13. Post #13
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    KVM
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  14. Post #14
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    The main appeal of Linux is that it's generally free and is more programmer friendly.

  15. Post #15
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    Panda its not that Linux's version of the software is better in those areas, its that Microsoft's software advantages don't show in that area, allowing Linux's other advantages to be more valid.
    I'm not saying you're wrong but what advantages change web browsing and office work?

  16. Post #16
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    I'm not saying you're wrong but what advantages change web browsing and office work?
    With a basic task like that I'd say the fact that Linux is generally free would be an advantage.

  17. Post #17
    stablemist's Avatar
    May 2010
    635 Posts
    Only use Linux if you know what you're doing, and if you don't you're going to be swearing for hours on trying to remove GRUB... it's also harder to install stuff since you gotta do everything through the console and it's a pain if you're new to the linux scene.
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  18. Post #18
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    March 2010
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    If your reason for using Linux is because you want to get away from Windows, I would suggest not bothering. I switched during Windows ME and had good reason to do so - I use Windows 7 at work and it's not too bad now. However, if you want to switch for freedom purposes, definitely go for it, but learn all about UNIX if you can and do it properly, don't just install Ubuntu and hope for something comparable with Windows. You can do the same things but you'll need to learn a different way of doing them. Some people can't cope with that because they get stressed that they "knew so much before" and now "can't do it".
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  19. Post #19
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    Some people can't cope with that because they get stressed that they "knew so much before" and now "can't do it".
    I can relate to that. Coming from heavy Linux usage, I feel like a retarded person going back to Windows.
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  20. Post #20
    Pixel Heart's Avatar
    July 2009
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    Linux beats Windows for common tasks, such as office software, web browsing, etc. It is usually faster and more secure (don't think there aren't any vulnerabilities, just fewer). Many people like it for the easy customization as well.

    Windows, however, has a lot of software Linux doesn't, including most games and applications such as iTunes (there are alternatives, but they just aren't the same). It is possible to run Windows programs through a compatibility layer like WINE, but the results are mixed.

    Really, just look at what you usually do on computers and see if you could do it on Linux. Also, keep in mind that it is possible to dual-boot.
    Rhythmbox does just about everything iTunes can do, with the exception of iPod restoration (But I keep Virtualbox around for that with a Mini XP installation).

  21. Post #21
    blankthemuffin's Avatar
    July 2009
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    Only use Linux if you know what you're doing, and if you don't you're going to be swearing for hours on trying to remove GRUB... it's also harder to install stuff since you gotta do everything through the console and it's a pain if you're new to the linux scene.
    Everything this guy says is wrong. Completely ignore it.

    Edited:

    Advantages of Windows(I have used up to vista, but 7 should be similar)
    [LIST][*]Native software runs faster with less bugs[/LIST]
    Native software runs equally in either os, unless your particular application makes use of something which doesn't work well in the other. Like forking is slow as balls in Windows.

    Advantages of Ubuntu
    [LIST][*]Free (not really a point for laptops as they mostly come with Windows already installed[/LIST]
    It's still a point for laptops, you're actually legally entitled to have windows refunded if you so desire. Also updating from xxx to Windows 7 is going to cost a lot of money, updating from xxx to Ubuntu 10.04 is going to be basically free.
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  22. Post #22
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    It can reboot with forcing you to wait +5 minutes.
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  23. Post #23
    Kriz's Avatar
    March 2009
    56 Posts
    Ubuntu just gives you freedom...
    Windows.... Restriction!

  24. Post #24
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    January 2009
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    Personal taste.

  25. Post #25
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    you're actually legally entitled to have windows refunded if you so desire
    that doesn't mean that the OEMs aren't going to fight you to the death over it.

  26. Post #26
    killman's Avatar
    March 2008
    112 Posts
    Here are some hard quotes people from Dell itself.


    So, they have to give you the refund
    Application software and operating systems that have been installed by Dell may be returned only if installed on a returnable system, and only if you return that system within the applicable return period.
    source: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/g...n&~section=018

    But, they can give you less for the software
    At Dell's discretion, credit for partial returns may be less than invoice or individual component prices due to bundled or promotional pricing.
    source:
    http://www.dell.com/content/topics/g...n&~section=012

    So, you can get the refund, but they can give you only something like a couple of bucks.

    I would assume its different with other manufacturers, but someone would have to check it out themselves.

  27. Post #27
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    I did a windows refund on an HP laptop a few months ago, I got $60 for it.

  28. Post #28
    Pixel Heart's Avatar
    July 2009
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    I just put the OEM Windows keys up for sale online.

  29. Post #29
    blankthemuffin's Avatar
    July 2009
    1,265 Posts
    Here are some hard quotes people from Dell itself.


    So, they have to give you the refund

    source: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/g...n&~section=018

    But, they can give you less for the software

    source:
    http://www.dell.com/content/topics/g...n&~section=012

    So, you can get the refund, but they can give you only something like a couple of bucks.

    I would assume its different with other manufacturers, but someone would have to check it out themselves.
    Just because they write that does not mean it's what is legally required to happen. There's a whole lot of crap especially in TOS agreements that can never hold water if you were actually to question it.

  30. Post #30
    killman's Avatar
    March 2008
    112 Posts
    Oops forgot to put the microsoft quote, which is pretty clear they have to return it.

    YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING THE SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE SOFTWARE; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND, IF APPLICABLE.
    source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx

    Previous quote shows it is applicable.

  31. Post #31
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    June 2008
    107 Posts
    Only use Linux if you know what you're doing, and if you don't you're going to be swearing for hours on trying to remove GRUB... it's also harder to install stuff since you gotta do everything through the console and it's a pain if you're new to the linux scene.
    What are you talking about?
    It's hella lot easier. If you don't like doing it in terminal by apt-get or yum then go to applications and click add/remove. There's a complete list of officially supported software, much better than googling for hours to find the soft you need.

    OpenGL support is the only reason I use Windows. There is still not enough games that support OpenGL so i can't play my games on there. That's mainly what i use my computer for, but if i dual-boot with Linux i rarely use it anyway.
    I like that Linux is so customizable, but that's what makes it boring. Spending hours trying to unlock stuff is funny to me (I do it for fun and education).
    Just like installing Mac OS on a PC is against Apple's EULA i did it, just to remove it again and think "Damn I feel geeky right now".
    Terminal makes me feel nothing special :/

    stablemist posted:
    Only use Linux if you know what you're doing, and if you don't you're going to be swearing for hours on trying to remove GRUB... it's also harder to install stuff since you gotta do everything through the console and it's a pain if you're new to the linux scene.
    Yeah right, install EasyBCD on windows and click Reinstall bootloader. DONE.
    If you fuck up Linux, go reinstall, it's free and basically if you don't want to take the risk of breaking it, it wont break. You CAN use Linux without breaking it just so you know it. Let's say the same about Windows, because people who don't know what they are doing COULD MAYBE go to CMD and do FORMAT C: but i don't know anyone who does that if they have no reason to do such. Besides you need to know the commands for UNIX and if you don't, you can have a pretty hard time trying to fuck it up. I didn't manage to break it by incident back when i only know about ls and make :D

    Pixel Heart posted:
    I just put the OEM Windows keys up for sale online.
    And I still wonder why people buy them? It's just as illegal as finding them for free, which I managed to do 10 times.

  32. Post #32
    Pery's Avatar
    October 2008
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    Rhythmbox does just about everything iTunes can do, with the exception of iPod restoration (But I keep Virtualbox around for that with a Mini XP installation).
    I guess you can remove it soon.
    18.05.2010: usbmuxd recognizes devices in recovery mode and flashing an ipsw has succeeded.
    http://www.libimobiledevice.org/

  33. Post #33
    Rashy's Avatar
    November 2009
    2,137 Posts
    Ok which linux distro?
    Mint
    Xubuntu
    OpenSUSE

    OpenSUSE seems to be the best looking distro but does it run fine on 1gb ram?

  34. Post #34
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    December 2006
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    Am I not the only person tired of Compiz? It looks stupid imo.
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  35. Post #35
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    March 2008
    112 Posts
    Mint and Xubuntu are both forks of Ubuntu, so both are very similar. Mint comes with more stuff preinstalled, but Xubuntu has a more lightweight desktop environment(lxde) by default. Still, installing a desktop environment in easy in Mint.
    I would say go with Mint, as you would only need to install the DE, and not the stuff Mint comes with.

    I have never used OpenSUSE, so I really cannot say much about it.

    Yes, all three will probably run with 1 gig of ram as long as you disable some fancy settings.

    However, you might want to consider a distro like ArchLinux which does not do everything for you, so you can only install what you need.

    There is also the distro Dam Small Linux, that will run very fast and set itself up, bit the graphics will not be good.
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  36. Post #36
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    Dennab
    July 2008
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    Ok which linux distro?
    Mint
    Xubuntu
    OpenSUSE

    OpenSUSE seems to be the best looking distro but does it run fine on 1gb ram?
    Out of those, Mint is the best. I've used OpenSUSE before, it's pretty shitty in it's default configuration.

  37. Post #37
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    Only use Linux if you know what you're doing, and if you don't you're going to be swearing for hours on trying to remove GRUB... it's also harder to install stuff since you gotta do everything through the console and it's a pain if you're new to the linux scene.
    Removing grub is easier than pissing. You don't have to install stuff via the terminal, it's just preferred as it's easier and straight-forward. It is also piss easy if you're new to the linux scene.

  38. Post #38
    Rashy's Avatar
    November 2009
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    I'm going to try linux mint in virtual box, but because I already have ubuntu is linux mint worth a download over ubuntu?

  39. Post #39
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    I'd use Ubuntu over Mint at every chance.
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  40. Post #40
    Rashy's Avatar
    November 2009
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    Im scared to use it now as my friend tried to dual boot with ubuntu and it screwed up his laptop.
    So how do I dual boot and will I encounter any problems with a GMA 950 and a pentium dual core?