1. Post #1
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    Odd thead title, I know.

    I was searching for something about 7 in google when i saw this:

    "Why Microsoft can't afford Windows 7 to fail"
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8310867.stm

    Let's just quote a section here
    The Article posted:
    More importantly, three years ago Microsoft botched the release of Vista, the operating system that preceded Windows 7.

    Vista - a bloated, difficult to install operating system - left many early users with suddenly unusable hardware and software. The disaster badly undermined Microsoft's credibility with consumers and software developers.

    Today, Vista is still outshone by its eight-year-old predecessor Windows XP. One (particularly low) estimate from web metrics firm Net Applications suggests Vista has a mere 18.6% share of the market. Others put it at just over 35%, which is still a poor figure.

    Among companies, "Vista is the worst-adopted operating system", according to Annette Jump, research director at Gartner, a technology research firm.

    The president of Microsoft International, Jean-Philippe Courtois, opts for understatement: "We don't feel great about Vista adoption."

    Windows reloaded

    Windows 7 is Microsoft's one and maybe only chance to redeem itself. "We have learned a lot from what went wrong with Vista," is a mantra repeated by every Microsoft executive.
    Neither of the quotes in bold have much truth. But here's what gets me.


    Bullshit. They use the same installer. The only difference is that 7 doesn't ask you what version to install. If you find that difference to make Windows Vista "difficult to install", then you're a fucking idiot.


    Again, the only difference is the color of the highlighted selection.

    My point of this thread is I don't understand why people hate Vista so god damn much, yet they say Windows 7 is godly compared to it. "Oh, it's so much cleaner and easier to use!" Bullshit, it's the same with a new look.

    I love 7 more than I do Vista though, but I hate how people mindlessly say that 7 is a whole different world in terms of features compared to Vista, when in reality they're mostly the same. I guess people are just idiots.
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  2. Post #2
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    Well, Windows 7 didn't crash 3 times on a brand new machine the first time I installed it... I guess that's a start. Though I never heard anything else from the guy I built a machine for thereafter, so it was probably a temporary problem.

    EDIT: Though yeah, the install was definitely the same...
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  3. Post #3
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    how old are you that you need help installing it
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    I hope it has a huge flaw in it that makes it worse than Vista. Then maybe Microsoft would learn to fix their mistakes instead of covering them with a slightly modded Vista with a New name.
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    Bullshit. They use the same installer. The only difference is that 7 doesn't ask you what version to install. If you find that difference to make Windows Vista "difficult to install", then you're a fucking idiot.
    Bullshit, my installer asks me if I want to install Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate.
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  6. Post #6
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.
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  7. Post #7
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.
    Sorry but if you have so much trouble buying the right version of your OS, disabling the UAC and learning to use a new interface (which is not that much of a difference) then you might want to buy yourself a Mac.
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.
    every os changes get over it, technology changes keep up or get left behind
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  9. Post #9
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.

    I agree with the different versions thing. They could easily just put all the features in one version to save hassle, and just make it a bit more expensive
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    Agreed.
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    I agree with the different versions thing. They could easily just put all the features in one version to save hassle, and just make it a bit more expensive
    maybe you like paying for features you don't want and won't use, but I prefer spending money wisely
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    I hope it has a huge flaw in it that makes it worse than Vista. Then maybe Microsoft would learn to fix their mistakes instead of covering them with a slightly modded Vista with a New name.
    Windows 7 is fixing their mistakes
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    Windows 98: Windows XP
    Windows 2000 (and not ME anymore): Windows Vista
    Windows XP: Windows 7
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  14. Post #14
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    maybe you like paying for features you don't want and won't use, but I prefer spending money wisely
    When I say more expensive I was thinking 10 at the most.
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    Windows 7 oughta be great. As long as it doesn't wipe my laptop twice, I'm good
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    Yea, I mean my only problem with Windows 7 at the moment are incompatible drivers and that's not exactly microsofts fault either. They've definently done something correctly.
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  17. Post #17
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    Bullshit, my installer asks me if I want to install Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate.
    When you buy it retail and don't torrent it instead it doesn't ask you.
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  18. Post #18
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    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    The reason they have UAC is because running every program as an administrator is completely stupid. It easily allows viruses to execute with full root priviledges, and therefore is a big no-no. UAC is basically MS' late response to sudo on UNIX, and it does its job pretty well, and there's little reason to remove it. If you wish to disable that security feature, you are able to using the built-in menus.
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    The reason they have UAC is because running every program as an administrator is completely stupid.
    Looks like they learned that XP did have flaws :)
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.
    If you want XP then buy XP.
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    Looks like they learned that XP did have flaws :)
    Not really. The default user is still Administrator which is still a huge flaw. And all you have to do to make UAC go away is to click "OK". Most people just click OK because they're so used to it.

    Linux/sudo requires a password.
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    The only people who really complained about vista were

    People who's computers are too obsolete to run vista correctly
    People who know jack shit about computers.

    Honestly.... I am not really VERY tech savvy.... But I know enough. Its so simple to do this.
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    Not really. The default user is still Administrator which is still a huge flaw. And all you have to do to make UAC go away is to click "OK". Most people just click OK because they're so used to it.

    Linux/sudo requires a password.
    It's only a flaw if you're a computer illiterate dumbshit. Me, I know what I'm doing, and I hate being restricted as a user. I need admin accress to everything because I make TONS of system-wide changes. I don't like being bothered to be "elevated" every 5 fucking seconds I'm on my PC.
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  24. Post #24
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    well i just pre-ordered my copy of windows 7 64 bit

    and only for 30, god i love being a student
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    I'm not a student, but I'm in school, so I can also get it for ~30.
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    If you want XP then buy XP.
    I don't want XP. I want the newest OS with all the security updates, patches and features.
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    I don't want XP. I want the newest OS with all the security updates, patches and features.
    Sounds like you want Windows 7?
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    Sounds like you want Windows 7?
    Lol.
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  29. Post #29
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    People are going to be all "RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE" about this, but for some reason, I just like 7 better than Vista. Maybe it's the superbar, maybe it's the UAC removal, maybe it's just shinier, it simply appeals to me more.
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    Not really. The default user is still Administrator which is still a huge flaw.
    99% of the time, the person installing Windows would be the kind of person who would need to be under an Admin account.
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    People are going to be all "RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE" about this, but for some reason, I just like 7 better than Vista. Maybe it's the superbar, maybe it's the UAC removal, maybe it's just shinier, it simply appeals to me more.
    I doubt anyone will rage, even us Vista lovers agree that 7 is a better OS. We're just saying that Vista isn't the piece of shit that so many people make it out to be.
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    even us Vista lovers agree that 7 is a better OS. We're just saying that Vista isn't the piece of shit that so many people make it out to be.
    fucking this
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  33. Post #33

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    I've had both and I like Windows 7 more for these few reasons:
    -RC is more stable than Service Pack 1 on Vista.
    -Better GUI.
    -Faster (on my rig anyway).
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    I have to say, 7 is way better than Vista. I used Vista for around 2 years, I loved it, there were few problems with it.

    7 is like Vista having sex with XP and all the good parts coming out in a nice, user-friendly baby.
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    Three ways to make 7 superior to Vista.

    -> One version. Nobody wants 100 OS versions where only the 100th gives them what they need.
    -> No UAC. Seriously, If I buy a PC, it's my PC, I'll do what I want. Let people learn from their mistakes.
    -> Use the old Windows interface. I don't want to learn where everything is again. I'm not buying a new OS so I can learn to use my computer again.
    -> The reason there are different versions is because of price. A lot less people would buy it if there was only one version and it was the price of Ultimate, which realistically is what it would be since they'd have to make up for sales. If anything it might actually be more. The lower ones which are essentially the same minus features which are useless to most people provide a much better cost effective option. How fucking hard is it to buy the one you can afford?

    -> UAC, while annoying, is pretty helpful to the vast majority of people who are electronically handicapped. I'm sure it stops a lot of rampant viruses and a whole bunch of other stupid shit. The people who aren't prone to get so many viruses, the savvy users, can easily disable it with a few clicks.

    -> Yeah let's keep the same goddamn dated and basic (and hideous depending on what you like) interface from Windows 95. Hell let's all go back to DOS, since that WAS when a lot of people learnt to use computers. It's not fair to them that they keep introducing better visuals and more user functionality.

    Your ideas are horrible and I'm glad you don't own a business or work at Microsoft.
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    -> The reason there are different versions is because of price. A lot less people would buy it if there was only one version and it was the price of Ultimate, which realistically is what it would be since they'd have to make up for sales. If anything it might actually be more. The lower ones which are essentially the same minus features which are useless to most people provide a much better cost effective option. How fucking hard is it to buy the one you can afford?

    -> UAC, while annoying, is pretty helpful to the vast majority of people who are electronically handicapped. I'm sure it stops a lot of rampant viruses and a whole bunch of other stupid shit. The people who aren't prone to get so many viruses, the savvy users, can easily disable it with a few clicks.

    -> Yeah let's keep the same goddamn dated and basic (and hideous depending on what you like) interface from Windows 95. Hell let's all go back to DOS, since that WAS when a lot of people learnt to use computers. It's not fair to them that they keep introducing better visuals and more user functionality.

    Your ideas are horrible and I'm glad you don't own a business or work at Microsoft.
    Hey, Rusty, you're not dead!

    Also 1xAgree.

  37. Post #37
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    99% of the time, the person installing Windows would be the kind of person who would need to be under an Admin account.
    With most Linux distros, you have the root account and the user account. In order to do administrative tasks, you have to authenticate as the root user. You don't have to log out, you just type in a password. That's really what Windows should do. If I'm just browsing the web on Windows, I don't need to be an Admin at the moment. When I need to install something I can punch in a password.

    UAC kind of does that, but the OK button is too easy to click and ignore. Also, AFAIK you don't need to get past UAC to write to the root of the C drive. So I could write a virus that writes junk to C:\ without the user knowing theoretically. If Windows did it the "Linux way", the user would only be allowed to write to C:\Users\name\.

  38. Post #38
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    UAC kind of does that, but the OK button is too easy to click and ignore. Also, AFAIK you don't need to get past UAC to write to the root of the C drive. So I could write a virus that writes junk to C:\ without the user knowing theoretically. If Windows did it the "Linux way", the user would only be allowed to write to C:\Users\name\.
    You can't write direct to C:\ anyway. I just tested it and seems you are able to make a folder and write to that with no UAC prompts which isn't much better. Personally I like being able to be admin without a password, but I think all admin accounts should have a password no matter what on Windows. Basically a root user.

  39. Post #39
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    I have to say, 7 is way better than Vista. I used Vista for around 2 years, I loved it, there were few problems with it.

    7 is like Vista having sex with XP and all the good parts coming out in a nice, user-friendly baby.
    In the words of my boss "Windows 7 is what Vista wanted to be when it grew up"
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    It's only a flaw if you're a computer illiterate dumbshit. Me, I know what I'm doing, and I hate being restricted as a user. I need admin accress to everything because I make TONS of system-wide changes. I don't like being bothered to be "elevated" every 5 fucking seconds I'm on my PC.
    Then you could set UAC to the second setting (out of three), and disable every non-useful warning while keeping the malware-protection ones active. I am a "power user" (such an overused word) and it doesn't really annoy me at all.
    99% of the time, the person installing Windows would be the kind of person who would need to be under an Admin account.
    Maybe I did something wrong, but when I installed Windows 7, I was not Administrator, but gparent, a member of the admin group able to run elevated programs. Am I missing something?
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