1. Post #1
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    Ginteru's Avatar
    December 2007
    1,957 Posts
    Seriously, on almost every thread people moan about how the newest sequels screw up the franchise and stuff,
    Like Red Alert 3, I liked it, with all the stuff and shit,
    Or Far Cry 2, it's a great game, the only minus is the malaria crap,
    Or Red Faction 2, never played it, but people tend to hate it,
    And so goes on with the list...
    So I came up with this little diagram:
    1st game:Awesome to many people
    2nd game:Shit or just ok
    3rd game:People hate it
    And so on,
    Also, so what if they try new stuff? sequels are supposed to be sequels with new story, plot and enemies, not just remakes with better graphics
    So, why exacly?

    Sequels do not suck, people just have high expectations.
    He has a good point, like, if Prototype had a sequel, you make up one of the hardest to develop expectations ever, if you find at least 1 of your needs for the sequel not fulfilled, you go batshit insane on the game

  2. Post #2
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    35,482 Posts
    Red faction 2 is rather old

  3. Post #3
    FPSDars's Avatar
    February 2007
    539 Posts
    Red Alert 3 was shit. Dumbed down, similar campaigns, and the whole fucking game was tailored specifically for horny 12 year olds.

  4. Post #4
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    Dennab
    October 2007
    831 Posts
    does far cry 2 even deserve to be called a sequel?

  5. Post #5
    RSN
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    August 2008
    563 Posts
    Red faction 2 is rather old
    It kinda sucked. I have played it through. The story is shitty and it is not even close to the original cool Red Faction style.

  6. Post #6
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    jason278's Avatar
    February 2009
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    There was like 4 or so Far Cry games. I don't even know what was the first. There was a Wii version, a 360 version, a Xbox version, and Far Cry 2. IDK anymore

  7. Post #7
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    Ginteru's Avatar
    December 2007
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    You guys are missing the point

  8. Post #8
    HellNaw's Avatar
    April 2009
    1,333 Posts
    Farcry 2 isn't a sequel

  9. Post #9
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    HALP Cat's Avatar
    January 2007
    3,395 Posts
    Tales of Monkey Island is something you can't hate though.

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    HellNaw's Avatar
    April 2009
    1,333 Posts
    Red Alert 3 is more a remake

  11. Post #11
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    May 2008
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    1st game: Great, new concept and wonderfully done.
    2nd game: Gets a bit stale
    3rd game: Either they try something new and totally fail or it's just terribly stale.
    Mostly this.
    There are still really good sequels out there. Max Payne 2, for instance, was a huge improvement over the already great Max Payne 1. Then other games like Splinter Cell try a new concept, even though people like it as it is, and end up with games that shouldn't even be called a game in that series. *cough* Conviction *cough*.

  12. Post #12
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    Crazy_Farmer's Avatar
    April 2005
    2,364 Posts
    because people act like elitists to series they play so they cry whenever the developer changes the series a bit

  13. Post #13
    RSN
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    August 2008
    563 Posts

    You guys are missing the point
    Personally i don't hate the new sequels. Gears of war 2 is a cool game too. I don't see any problems with the sequels. I kinda like sequels. Some of them are even better than the old ones. Red Faction though, was a big disappointment.

  14. Post #14
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    January 2006
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    1st game: Great, new concept and wonderfully done.
    2nd game: Gets a bit stale
    3rd game: Either they try something new and totally fail or it's just terribly stale.
    Mostly this.

  15. Post #15
    RSN
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    August 2008
    563 Posts
    Mostly this.
    Not allways though.

  16. Post #16
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    Ginteru's Avatar
    December 2007
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    1st game: Great, new concept and wonderfully done.
    2nd game: Gets a bit stale
    3rd game: Either they try something new and totally fail or it's just terribly stale.
    OP Stealer

  17. Post #17
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    September 2006
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    Red Alert 3 is more a remake
    Shame it's not a decent remake.

  18. Post #18
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    toxicpiano's Avatar
    August 2006
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    Far cry 2 was repetative and naggy. Red alert 3 was just a bad game.

  19. Post #19
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    December 2006
    87 Posts
    Far cry 2 was a sequel only in name
    there are absolutely zero connections to the original as far as I could see.
    It wasn't bad but it had some problems that made it annoying to play.

    But seriously, Crysis is closer to being a Far Cry sequel than Far Cry 2 is.

  20. Post #20
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    OutOfExile's Avatar
    May 2008
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    You were wondering why it was like that. I told you.

  21. Post #21
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    133753P34K's Avatar
    February 2008
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    You left out the shitty sequel fallout 3 because it sucked.

  22. Post #22
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    markg06's Avatar
    September 2006
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    Far cry 2 was a sequel only in name
    there are absolutely zero connections to the original as far as I could see.
    It wasn't bad but it had some problems that made it annoying to play.

    But seriously, Crysis is closer to being a Far Cry sequel than Far Cry 2 is.
    The Jackal looks like the FC1 character who I can't remember.

  23. Post #23
    RSN
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    August 2008
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    His explanation is 100x times better than yours..

  24. Post #24
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    OutOfExile's Avatar
    May 2008
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    Far cry 2 was repetative and naggy.
    Don't forget the awful AI and enemies that refused to die and just respawned in 10 minutes anyway.

  25. Post #25
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    POLOPOZOZO's Avatar
    May 2006
    14,907 Posts
    Did you ever consider that the reason people don't like the sequel of a game is because it's actually not good at all? Or doesn't improve from the first in enough ways to be good?

  26. Post #26
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    Killuah's Avatar
    August 2005
    15,206 Posts
    Because 2 things can happen:

    1. The designers are planning a sequel and end the first game with a shitty cliffhanger. The hook is, in most cases they don't announce this before the release of the game. Hype builds up, everyone is dissapointed because of shitty cliffhangers.

    See Crysis and Asassins Creed for this.


    There is nothing wrong with a GOOD cliffhanger. A cliffhanger that still makes you feel like you accomplished something.

    2. The designers didn't intend to make a sequel but the game is received very well. Money kicks in and publishers decide to turn the game into a franchise.

    That leaves open several options.

    Designers still make sequels: The forced explaination feels artificial + you get this "then why the fuck was the first story-arch important, the evil guy is revived, replaced, whatever"
    -> makes you feel shitty

    Designers make a prequel: The forced explaination feels artificial(yes, the same point) but this time you played the other game first and already made up your own mind about what happened before and happens after.
    -> you feel unsatisfied

    Designers make a totally different game with basically just the same name: Well that's totally stupid and destroys the good name of the first game.

  27. Post #27
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    Turbis's Avatar
    April 2007
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    Sequels do not suck, people just have high expectations.

  28. Post #28
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
    8,217 Posts
    Red Alert 3 was terrible. It was what EA thought Westwood would have made.
    Far Cry 2 had a lot of nice features, that were done badly...weapons that work fine in the enemies hands jam in yours. Drop a grenade and the grass burning could kill you and leave enemies standing, yadda yadda.
    Never tried Red Faction.

  29. Post #29
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    Ginteru's Avatar
    December 2007
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    Sequels do not suck, people just have high expectations.
    This

  30. Post #30
    I LOVE ANIME AND MAGICAL GIRLS BUT DONT TELL ANYONE
    Nexosz's Avatar
    January 2008
    11,610 Posts
    Call of Juarez - Awesome story, shit graph/performance engine 8/10
    Call of Juarez - Bound in Blood - Awesome story, most awesome graphic/performance engine ever 10/10
    dudufrfffff
    No, wait, BiB is PREQUEL.
    Turbis posted:
    Sequels do not suck, people just have high expectations.
    this

  31. Post #31
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    edja007's Avatar
    September 2006
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    RA3, fucking asian mecha robots.

  32. Post #32
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    junker154's Avatar
    May 2006
    5,372 Posts
    Hitman series went pretty well though. First one was awesome, second one even better. The third one failed and the last hitman was great.

  33. Post #33
    Tropicalv3's Avatar
    July 2009
    151 Posts
    Yeah, I agree with about hitman.

    Bloody money was great.

  34. Post #34
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
    8,217 Posts
    RA3, fucking asian mecha robots.
    That's not a good thing.

  35. Post #35
    ParsonNathaniel's Avatar
    July 2009
    322 Posts
    Red Alert 3 was shit. Dumbed down, similar campaigns, and the whole fucking game was tailored specifically for horny 12 year olds.
    Despite the fact we mainly like oppisite things, i agree, Red alert 2 is the best cnc game ever

  36. Post #36
    FPSDars's Avatar
    February 2007
    539 Posts
    You left out the shitty sequel fallout 3 because it sucked.
    Oh, it wasn't that bad. Sure the story wasn't good but it was still a fun game.

  37. Post #37
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    Gurant's Avatar
    September 2005
    4,225 Posts
    Red Alert 3 was shit. Dumbed down, similar campaigns, and the whole fucking game was tailored specifically for horny 12 year olds.
    Thank god. Red Alert 3 was a steaming pile of shit, holy crap I almost cried when I noticed how horrible my favorite series had turned.

  38. Post #38
    Bulmer's Avatar
    June 2009
    2,350 Posts
    People get used to originals I guess.

  39. Post #39
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    Gmodpanda's Avatar
    June 2007
    1,226 Posts
    I really liked Red Alert 3. In fact i am currently playing it. But i found the co-commanding meh, and i hater the fact there is this new "hot chicks" bullshit.
    Other than that is a good game. Not excellent, but good enough.

    Also, people hate because they are too atached to the originals, but if it's something like, let's say, i really old game that is getting a sequel now, like Red Alert 3, don't put us with your hot chick bullshit. If you have a completely new game, don't just put on the box art a old, loved franschise name, create your own.

  40. Post #40
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    ryandaniels's Avatar
    December 2006
    3,941 Posts
    The problem is that you can't make a new game by using everything that was in the last one, otherwise it's just going to be stale shit. And if you try to reinvent it, even if you are successful, all the fanboys will go ape shit and cry about how it's not like the other ones, which automatically makes it bad somehow.

    Good example: Fallout 3. Great game on it's own, but to the fanboys, it's terrible. Morons.


    I swear to god, if I get end-of-page'd one more goddamn time-