1. Post #41
    I make sexist and racist jokes all the time yet,i still support the feminist movement and the rights of blacks.
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    Far right wing political parties should be fucking banned from joining the parliament.
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  2. Post #42
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    July 2006
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    Far right wing political parties should be fucking banned from joining the parliament.
    hey you're stealing my ironically bad suggestions which demonstrate the pitfalls of fascism.
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  3. Post #43
    Memento audere semper- audaces fortuna iuvat.
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    Now watch them leave the EU withot giving back a single cent of their debt.
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  4. Post #44
    Watching the world burn is my hobby.
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    This is...oddly surreal.

  5. Post #45
    Memento audere semper- audaces fortuna iuvat.
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    and isn't that party fasci-communist? Extreme left? Or I read the news all wrong?

    broke my automerge

  6. Post #46
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    Their symbol looks like the Shekel sign to me, which is pretty ironic if you think about it.
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  7. Post #47
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    and isn't that party fasci-communist? Extreme left? Or I read the news all wrong?

    broke my automerge
    The social spectrum is distinct from the economic spectrum.

    In classical models, Communism is a conservative economic model (in that conservatism, by definition, implies control), while capitalism (particularly unregulated capitalism) is a liberal economic model (in that there is absolutely no control.)

    Basically, when something implies government control: it's conservative. When it implies limits to the government, it is liberal. Fascism is extremely far right, while communism can be variable mid-far right depending upon what exactly you mean by "communism" as an implemented economic policy.

    Edited:

    Of course, modern political parties keep flopping back and fucking forth so frequently that nobody has any goddamn idea what conservatism and liberalism even ARE anymore.
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  8. Post #48
    Far right wing political parties should be fucking banned from joining the parliament.
    No one should be banned from anything, but violent and hateful messages should be combatted by nation-wide campaigns of peace and unity.
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  9. Post #49
    Memento audere semper- audaces fortuna iuvat.
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    The social spectrum is distinct from the economic spectrum.

    In classical models, Communism is a conservative economic model (in that conservatism, by definition, implies control), while capitalism (particularly unregulated capitalism) is a liberal economic model (in that there is absolutely no control.)

    Basically, when something implies government control: it's conservative. When it implies limits to the government, it is liberal. Fascism is extremely far right, while communism can be variable mid-far right depending upon what exactly you mean by "communism" as an implemented economic policy.

    Edited:

    Of course, modern political parties keep flopping back and fucking forth so frequently that nobody has any goddamn idea what conservatism and liberalism even ARE anymore.
    Thanks for the explaination! The terms are different in my first language so things gets a little confusing.
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  10. Post #50
    The social spectrum is distinct from the economic spectrum.

    In classical models, Communism is a conservative economic model (in that conservatism, by definition, implies control), while capitalism (particularly unregulated capitalism) is a liberal economic model (in that there is absolutely no control.)

    Basically, when something implies government control: it's conservative. When it implies limits to the government, it is liberal. Fascism is extremely far right, while communism can be variable mid-far right depending upon what exactly you mean by "communism" as an implemented economic policy.

    Edited:

    Of course, modern political parties keep flopping back and fucking forth so frequently that nobody has any goddamn idea what conservatism and liberalism even ARE anymore.
    Wait I thought the left side was more government control and the right side was less government control
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  11. Post #51
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    It sure is easy to blame foreigners for everything in times of economic ruin. You'd think history would teach people to identify when someone (or an entire political party) is scapegoating. Money and audiences are wasted on the existence of these parties.
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  12. Post #52
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    Wait I thought the left side was more government control and the right side was less government control
    No, not by the definitions of the words our dumbfuck parties use, it is not.

    Liberalism, by definition, means small, limited government and maximum allotted liberties to the people.

    Conservatism, by definition, means benevolent (in theory) government dictation of economic policy, social policy, and morality.

    The American parties have switched sides on the spectrum multiple times without updating their vernacular. The modern American "conservatism" and "liberalism" originated during the first Red Scare and the rise of McCarthyism, in which Conservatives campaigned for 'smaller government' while simultaneously expanding government to root out the godless commies. Of course, they proclaimed their liberal opponents as being the aforementioned godless commies.
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  13. Post #53
    No, not by the definitions of the words our dumbfuck parties use, it is not.
    So is this site correct or not?

    this is so confusing

  14. Post #54
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    Wait I thought the left side was more government control and the right side was less government control
    Current parties get their Liberal and Conservative titles from their social stance. Anarcho-Liberals aka Libertarians focus primarily on economic issues and take their name from it with varying social stances.

  15. Post #55
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    July 2006
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    So is this site correct or not?

    this is so confusing
    Post edited above.

    Basically, American rhetoric is full of shit.
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  16. Post #56
    Dennab
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    What the fuck Greece, you have been wasting dosh for decades and debt is your unoffical national bride, and now this?
    How is this even possible?

  17. Post #57
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    No, not by the definitions of the words our dumbfuck parties use, it is not.

    Liberalism, by definition, means small, limited government and maximum allotted liberties to the people.

    Conservatism, by definition, means benevolent (in theory) government dictation of economic policy, social policy, and morality.

    The American parties have switched sides on the spectrum multiple times without updating their vernacular. The modern American "conservatism" and "liberalism" originated during the first Red Scare and the rise of McCarthyism, in which Conservatives campaigned for 'smaller government' while simultaneously expanding government to root out the godless commies. Of course, they proclaimed their liberal opponents as being the aforementioned godless commies.
    Isn't conservatism more about keeping things the same? Socialism is about dictating economic policy with liberalism being as you said. Meaning you can be a conservative Liberal if your country already runs on Liberal economics.

  18. Post #58
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    Lankist's Avatar
    July 2006
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    Isn't conservatism more about keeping things the same?
    Which is accomplished by-


    And socialism, like communism, is not strictly tied to one point on the spectrum. It's heavily dependent upon how it's implemented.

    Socialism would be a completely apolitical economic policy if we had the abundance required for it to be a sustainable model. Unfortunately, we don't, which means government control is a necessity for its implementation at this time.

  19. Post #59
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    July 2007
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    The lad with the powerbar moustache made me laugh.

  20. Post #60
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    April 2007
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    History sure loves repeating it self. I'll get my bolt-action rifle ready.
    Maybe look at America instead, they seem to be killing an awful lot of people based on exxagerated threat reports and alleged false flag attacks...
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  21. Post #61
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    Greece can kick and it can spit but it's fucked either way.
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  22. Post #62
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    Atleast Golden Dawn is a pretty cool name.
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  23. Post #63
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    July 2009
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    Atleast Golden Dawn is a pretty cool name.
    Doesn't beat the Mythic Dawn though.



    "TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH!"
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  24. Post #64
    You're forgetting that Austria, Italy and Spain were also Fascist around the same time, Spain even lasted with Franko a long time. It's to be expected that Fascists will rise in popularity in times of crisis, but even if they disolved parliament I don't think Greece will be going to war.
    Portugal had salazar, too.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%...iveira_Salazar

  25. Post #65
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    July 2011
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    Greece is just falling deeper and deeper into a state of really fucked up.

  26. Post #66
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    hey you're stealing my ironically bad suggestions which demonstrate the pitfalls of fascism.
    Not like it's unprecedented. In the interwar period fascist parties were banned in some western republics. It wouldn't harm anyone but the fascists, unlike allowing them to work.
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  27. Post #67
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    Not like it's unprecedented. In the interwar period fascist parties were banned in some western republics. It wouldn't harm anyone but the fascists, unlike allowing them to work.
    well yeah but that would be a clear violation of the right to free speach, which in itself would be the act of a facist

  28. Post #68
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    That's just simply false. It's an act of coercion, which any ideology with a state has done before. If you want to guarantee rights, find a way to enforce them without a state. Until then some people aren't going to care with that glaring contradiction staring at them, and fight the fascists themselves.
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  29. Post #69
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    July 2006
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    Not like it's unprecedented. In the interwar period fascist parties were banned in some western republics. It wouldn't harm anyone but the fascists, unlike allowing them to work.
    I don't particularly like regurgitating the cliched "first they came for-" platitudes, but they most certainly apply in all cases of censorship.

    Edited:

    That's just simply false. It's an act of coercion, which any ideology with a state has done before. If you want to guarantee rights, find a way to enforce them without a state. Until then some people aren't going to care with that glaring contradiction staring at them, and fight the fascists themselves.
    So you argue that we have an imperfect world, and rather than trying to live up to our ideals we should shit all over them and accept the status quo?

    Dude you are a communist. You cannot invoke status-quo arguments. The status quo is decidedly un-communist.

  30. Post #70
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    Far right wing political parties should be fucking banned from joining the parliament.
    Banning different political ideologies is exactly what fascists do you hypocrite, you're no better if you think like that.

  31. Post #71
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    October 2007
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    Banning different political ideologies is exactly what fascists do you hypocrite, you're no better if you think like that.
    Well, fascism is a bit more than banning parties it doesn't like so I'd say he's no where nearly as bad as they are.

  32. Post #72
    Well, fascism is a bit more than banning parties it doesn't like so I'd say he's no where nearly as bad as they are.
    Yeah he's more of a communist to be honest.

  33. Post #73
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    Well, fascism is a bit more than banning parties it doesn't like so I'd say he's no where nearly as bad as they are.
    it's a facist act though, as in, to be able to do it with a sound mind and conscience one must support at least the base principles of facist tenets

  34. Post #74
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    If protecting the political center and keeping the state firmly within its grasp is 'shitting all over our ideas' you obviously have never read about fascists seizing the state, actually shitting on your ideals (and in addition your constituents), and forcing you into a coalition with the (radical) left.

    You want to enforce liberal principles with guns, fine, just don't allow people who would revoke all of them become state constituents. Then you're just an idiot handing out guns and protecting nothing.

  35. Post #75
    PIRATE METAL BASTARD
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    Boy, he sure looks qualified and trustworthy [sub][sub][sub]not[/sub][/sub][/sub]
    Looks fuckin' metal if you ask me
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  36. Post #76
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    it's a facist act though, as in, to be able to do it with a sound mind and conscience one must support at least the base principles of facist tenets
    Yes but if allowing them exist would gain them power, isn't banning them far better than allowing fascists full power?
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  37. Post #77
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    Don't worry car, actual liberal politicians usually aren't so quick to dig their own grave. They haven't been 'willing to die for your right say x' in a long time.

  38. Post #78
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    Yes but if allowing them exist would gain them power, isn't banning them far better than allowing fascists full power?
    that depends what kind of government you want to run. if it's a democracy, then yes, they could gain power, but if it's a proper democracy that'll only happen because the people want it to

    basically, no matter how flawed their idealogy may be, they must be allowed a say because it's a possible venue the people may want to explore, and democracy is all about what the people want

  39. Post #79
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    that depends what kind of government you want to run. if it's a democracy, then yes, they could gain power, but if it's a proper democracy that'll only happen because the people want it to

    basically, no matter how flawed their idealogy may be, they must be allowed a say because it's a possible venue the people may want to explore, and democracy is all about what the people want
    I don't really know, I've never really liked democracy being a way for people to get their views in power, that's for pressure groups to do, I see democracy more as a mechanism to keep governments in check, doing what is best for the people so they get voted in next election, then when they mess up, they get kicked out and replaced by another who should then strive to do whats best for the people and so on

  40. Post #80
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    October 2006
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    Lol there's rallies going on downtown here today in Crete. Now I wonder how much this new Greek government hates Americans. I couldn't see why though, we bring a lot of tourism, our military base here on Crete also helps stoke the economy.