1. Post #81
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    November 2009
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    Legalizing weed to combat the cartels is going to do fuck all. Seriously. They're too well dug in and they're already sitting on millions upon millions of dollars.

    Not to mention the massive bias many people have against it being legalized.

    Edited:

    Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?
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  2. Post #82
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    I read your post as "making weed legal has made no progress against the cartels", my bad.
    And also, why would they need to rob people to get their fix? The government can make it so that the prices are low enough that they don't need to actually rob people to get the drug. Also, maybe legalizing ALL drugs is a bad idea, but they should certainly legalize their biggest imports, such as weed and cocaine.
    Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal?

    Stop, please.
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  3. Post #83
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    Don't forget most drugs do come from other countries too you know.

  4. Post #84
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    November 2007
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    i'm still wondering if we even take away the cartel's source and incomes, taking their size, background, and etc. in consideration, what are they gonna do, they simply won't disappear

  5. Post #85
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    December 2010
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    Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal?

    Stop, please.
    That's the exact same argument that people used against ending prohibition of alcohol.
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  6. Post #86
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    i'm still wondering if we even take away the cartel's source and incomes, taking their size, background, and etc. in consideration, what are they gonna do, they simply won't disappear
    Irrelevant discussion since completely taking away any of their income sources isn't possible.

  7. Post #87
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    Irrelevant discussion since completely taking away any of their income sources isn't possible.
    Yeah just like those bootleggers in the 20's

    absolutely impossible

    our hands are tied.
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  8. Post #88
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    Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal?

    Stop, please.
    Do you really think collective humanity is that fucking stupid?

    If heroin was legalised tommorow would you fucking mainline it into your eyeball first thing in the morning? Didn't think so.

    The main harms from heroin come from not knowing the dosage (variable strength sources), using dirty needles, the high pricing, and contaminants.

    When unadulterated heroin of known strength is used in the correct way with sterile paraphernalia it is one of the safest drugs out there.

    If it was in beverages like alcohol in a similar comparative dosage it would theoretically cause a similar level of harm because absorbing drugs through the digestive tract is far more inefficient than injecting directly into the bloodstream. If you took the amount of pure alcohol contained in a single pint of beer and passed it directly into the bloodstream you would be more than shitfaced :P

    Did you know that you can order pure caffeine powder perfectly legitimately? Oh yeah so many kids are getting high of that, right?
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  9. Post #89
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    Dennab
    July 2005
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    Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal?

    Stop, please.
    First, no.

    Second, so what? If that's what "half of our country" wants to do then they should be allowed to. I find it weird that so many people think that bans and illegalization are somehow solutions or even temporary solutions to societal problems.

    If everyone is addicted to coke then you've got a serious large-scale problem, but no such problem can be solved with bans.

    Edited:

    It seems to me that in all cases, education is a lot better than banning something by far.

    Edited:

    Legalizing weed to combat the cartels is going to do fuck all. Seriously. They're too well dug in and they're already sitting on millions upon millions of dollars.

    Not to mention the massive bias many people have against it being legalized.

    Edited:

    Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?
    Because it would help. It is a small step, and a difficult one to take for some stupid reason. But any step, any start, would be good. That's why it keeps popping up.
    "It won't help enough and it will be hard to implement" is a really bad attitude to have regarding how to improve the world, imo.
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  10. Post #90
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    Oh god I have life long trauma because of that shit
    man if you feel bad imagine how he must feel.

  11. Post #91
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    Dennab
    January 2005
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    Please learn to read. I said it has made nearly no progress in becoming legal.

    And your theory behind "it's their loss" is plain stupid, to say the least. You legalize hard drugs and the rate of crime will skyrocket. Robberies will become more frequent by people who are addicted to these now legal drugs, etc.

    Let's use some logic, mmkay?
    Offering low price hard drugs is even more stupid than legalizing them. You realize half of our country would be on fucking coke if it was cheap and legal?

    Stop, please.
    jesus

    shut the fuck up

    what are you basing these assumptions on?

    (nothing, I know.) why don't you go take a look at a real world example of a country that has a lenient policy on hard drugs
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  12. Post #92
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    Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes, and actually think. I'm open to a lot of things but legalizing hard drugs in hopes to reduce overall crime rates is still a ridiculous idea.

    People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there. People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument. However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people. You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.

    Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.

    As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."

    Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
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  13. Post #93
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    As an American, American's are fucking stupid.
    but you're smart enough to tell everyone else how to live their goddamn lives?

    yeah

    sure


    seriously, what the FUCK makes you think you aren't in the "dumbfuck American" category? That argument is so goddamn pretentious.
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  14. Post #94
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    The "hard drug"/"soft drug" distinction is unhelpful and misleading.
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  15. Post #95
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    Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?
    because teenagers think that weed is a miracle drug that will solve all problems
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  16. Post #96
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    Dennab
    July 2005
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    People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there.
    Well, yeah, but there should be the freedom to do those things without getting punished for it.

    People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument.
    That's ridiculous. If you can't make the opposite decision, then it isn't a decision at all. And of course you can make the opposite decision regardless of law, but it should be legal to do so.

    However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people.
    Yeah, but that's true whether it is legal or not. If it was legal there could be education with no fear mongering and such, and if it was regulated it would also be less dangerous when people choose to go with their curiosity.
    And I'm not so sure about the "encouraging" thing by legalizing. We've seen it before, for example with alcohol prohibition. People feel much more "encouraged" to do things that are illegal than things that aren't.

    You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.
    It'd also be easier to get rid of addictions, and it'd be easier to know about the drugs and their harmful effects.
    I like to think that treating people like thinking humans and offering them education is a better solution than telling them "You can't do this!" and then whacking them when they do it.

    Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.
    It won't just reduce crime as simple as that, the point in this specific discussion is it would help a miniscule bit on the way to weakening the mexican cartels. If it helps just one tiny bit, then it is worth it. The rest of your post is about drugs in general, and personally I think your argument is weak there as well. If legalizing drugs will lead to some kind of inevitable epidemic, then I say let it happen. As long as we regulate and offer all the therapy and education we possibly can.
    If that's what people want to do, which I don't think it is, then that's how it should go. People making bad choices for themselves is better than being forced by the government to do something else.

    As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."
    How do you know it won't work? How do you know whether or not the Portugese were any different before this? And again, just because something is hard, does not mean we should just forget about it all together. If that had been our attitude in the past we would never have gotten anywhere.

    Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
    That's not what has been said. It's been said that it would help. And you yourself say that the drugs are the primary reason. It does go far beyond, but like I said before, doing something is better than doing nothing. Which is like, holy shit, a revelation or something I just made up.
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  17. Post #97
    because teenagers think that weed is a miracle drug that will solve all problems
    There is no valid reason why weed should be illegal though.
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  18. Post #98
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    Dennab
    September 2008
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    Do you really think collective humanity is that fucking stupid?

    If heroin was legalised tommorow would you fucking mainline it into your eyeball first thing in the morning? Didn't think so.

    The main harms from heroin come from not knowing the dosage (variable strength sources), using dirty needles, the high pricing, and contaminants.

    When unadulterated heroin of known strength is used in the correct way with sterile paraphernalia it is one of the safest drugs out there.

    If it was in beverages like alcohol in a similar comparative dosage it would theoretically cause a similar level of harm because absorbing drugs through the digestive tract is far more inefficient than injecting directly into the bloodstream. If you took the amount of pure alcohol contained in a single pint of beer and passed it directly into the bloodstream you would be more than shitfaced :P

    Did you know that you can order pure caffeine powder perfectly legitimately? Oh yeah so many kids are getting high of that, right?

    I have 2kg of the shit. Once im underway I will be the fucking GOD of not sleeping.
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  19. Post #99
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    Dennab
    January 2005
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    Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes, and actually think. I'm open to a lot of things but legalizing hard drugs in hopes to reduce overall crime rates is still a ridiculous idea.

    People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there. People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument. However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people. You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.

    Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.

    As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."

    Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
    STOP

    POSTING

    everything you type is fucking misinformed and asinine
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  20. Post #100
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    Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes, and actually think. I'm open to a lot of things but legalizing hard drugs in hopes to reduce overall crime rates is still a ridiculous idea.

    People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there. People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument. However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people. You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.

    Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.

    As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."

    Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
    Holy fuck, I didn't think it was possible, but you did it, you're so ignorant that you make Rick Santorum sound intelligent.
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  21. Post #101
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    Dennab
    October 2008
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    Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes, and actually think. I'm open to a lot of things but legalizing hard drugs in hopes to reduce overall crime rates is still a ridiculous idea.

    People have the ability to decide for themselves whether or not to do something, no argument there. People can decide to not touch drugs, again, no argument. However, when you make something that was formerly somewhat difficult to obtain legal, all it will do is encourage more people to experiment. Curiosity gets the best of people. You can go on and on about how people will still do what they want anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't make it easier for people to get addicted to these things.

    Yes, there will ALWAYS be ways of getting things, again, no argument there. But if you seriously think that legalizing something will reduce violence, you're downright fucking stupid. I already know that this post will get people up in arms, sending boxes and whatnot, but people need to stop always assuming it's about personal choice. If we start legalizing drugs, where do we draw the line? It progresses into other shit. I don't care if marijuana gets legalized. There is nothing really wrong with it. However, if you take, say, heroin, and make it legal, you're going to have another epidemic like in the crack epidemic in the 70's - 80's.

    As to relating to your article, not every country would be able to follow in its footsteps. As an American, American's are fucking stupid. Our people have no concept of being able to be responsible. Our society is so fucked up, that we never take any responsibility for anything. We either say it's a disease, or we just ignore it all together and say, "Oh just go to therapy."

    Regardless, hard drugs don't need to be legalized. Weed? Fine. But draw the line there. If people really think that legalizing hard drugs will stop a war, you're out of your mind. It goes deeper than that. There are a lot of underlying factors to why there is a war in Mexico. Though the primary reason is our drug addiction, it goes beyond.
    You're not even trying to look beyond your own noes, are you? You're not looking at this from any other perspective than the American, overprotective "people can't help themselves" point of view. That's what happens when you live in a family where no one can be viewed as an educated adult. If people don't trust themselves to make educated choices, they should off themselves or get a fucking grip. If you don't trust anyone else to make their own choices in life, then by all fucking means build a shelter and fuck off!

    The way you're arguing that violence will still be prominent is that it will move away from cartels and mafias and move over to 50 million addicts that couldn't manage that formerly illegal substances became legal. ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE! I mean, yeah. For the southern states, that could just be a reality. Luckily, they're all licking the balls off of a ghost master that is God and therefore won't touch the stuff.

    The rest of them should be able to enjoy it at parties without doing stupid shit. Especially when considering that IF LEGALIZED, proper instructions will follow the substance and it would probably NOT be ingested THROUGH BLOOD! It would be much like Alcohol or Cigarettes (as formerly pointed out) and by fucking Hades, if you didn't notice, Alcohol also comes in forms that are lethal if you ingest but half a glass of it, so that's not an argument either.

    There's a difference between legalizing it and letting it loose on Minors, but what does you and your tunnel-vision give about that. Yeah, Americans are stupid by culture. The reason for that stupidity is uneducated guessing, hating on unknown before reviewing the facts or educated theories and just coming up with their own idiotic shit and shout it out loud until it becomes the truth for them. First off, Not all Americans are retarded, they're a Minority. Secondly, You're right in the center of it, mate.
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  22. Post #102
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    Set aside over-liberal bullshit for 5 minutes
    guys if you just didn't have any opinions for 5 minutes that would great
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  23. Post #103
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    That's the third time in the last week I've seen the words "overly liberal"

    What does that even mean.

  24. Post #104
    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    That's the third time in the last week I've seen the words "overly liberal"

    What does that even mean.
    Running naked in the streets?

  25. Post #105
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    July 2006
    14,576 Posts
    That's the third time in the last week I've seen the words "overly liberal"

    What does that even mean.
    presumably it means we all have a penchant for drug-addled, godless sodomy
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  26. Post #106
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    You know when dozens of people are being lynched over bridges in broad daylight that your countries government is having some serious issues.

  27. Post #107
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    July 2006
    14,576 Posts
    You know when dozens of people are being lynched over bridges in broad daylight that your countries government is having some serious issues.
    or that the year is 1870.
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  28. Post #108
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    or that the year is 1870.
    People are will always be both bad and good. We'll never degenerate into being savages and there will always be people who are strong enough to crush guys like these cartels (whether they do or don't), but this? This will be apart of human history for a loooooong time to come.

  29. Post #109
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    January 2007
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    cartels would still exist if all the dope nugs were legalised
    hey hey hey

    hey guys

    I have a revolutionary idea

    how about

    GUYS

    how about... we legalise the drugs

    AND

    we go in with military intervention

    ????
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  30. Post #110
    You know when dozens of people are being lynched over bridges in broad daylight that your countries government is having some serious issues.
    Weren't they dead before hanging? Then technically they aren't being lynched.

  31. Post #111
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    July 2009
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    Oh god I have life long trauma because of that shit
    To watch it or not to watch it?

  32. Post #112
    To watch it or not to watch it?
    It's not that bad. You might feel sick for a day or two but to be scarred for life is a huge overstatement.

  33. Post #113
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    July 2009
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    Why wasn't it posted in the PTSTW thread?

  34. Post #114
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    March 2007
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    I want to visit pretty much every country on earth someday but currently Mexico is an exception to that.
    the rest of south america, china, north korea, kosovo, syria, iraq, iran,... and you do want to visit these places?

  35. Post #115
    Legalizing weed to combat the cartels is going to do fuck all. Seriously. They're too well dug in and they're already sitting on millions upon millions of dollars.

    Not to mention the massive bias many people have against it being legalized.

    Edited:

    Why does the LEGALIZE WEED! argument always pop up in Mexico/cartel threads?
    they'll just cash in on more hardcore drugs, the logic is completely flawed.

    Then again, maybe they won't, I don't know.
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  36. Post #116
    I think cartels earn less from weed than they do from hard drugs. Weed is sold by local growers more than from cartels. Weed probably brings least of their profits. But still weed should be legalized because there is no reason why not.
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  37. Post #117
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    January 2008
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    because teenagers think that weed is a miracle drug that will solve all problems
    compared to some pharma shit that's out there today, that's not a far stretch. (it being a "miracle" drug, not it solving all problems)

  38. Post #118
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    February 2009
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    hey hey hey

    hey guys

    I have a revolutionary idea

    how about

    GUYS

    how about... we legalise the drugs

    AND

    we go in with military intervention

    ????
    get this man to the pentagon
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  39. Post #119
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    January 2007
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    get this man to the pentagon
    sometimes i just have to sit down for a bit when i come up with an idea this good

  40. Post #120