1. Post #1
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    Governor Dannel Malloy signed a bill in a low-key ceremony, after legislators voted earlier in April to end capital punishment for all future cases.

    Mr Malloy hailed a "historic moment", but said it was time for "sober reflection, not celebration".

    The Connecticut decision comes two days after California confirmed voters will be asked in November whether they want to abolish their own death penalty law.

    Elsewhere, in North Carolina a convicted man was taken off death row last week after his trial was ruled tainted by racial bias.

    Marcus Robinson's case was the first to be heard under North Carolina's Racial Justice Act (RJA).

    'Historic moment'
    As Mr Malloy signed the bill on Wednesday, a new Quinnipiac University poll suggested that 62% of registered voters in Connecticut still favour the death penalty.

    Some 47% of voters disapprove of Mr Malloy's handling of the issue, the poll reported.

    Two men sentenced to death in a recent grisly murder case - and the nine others on Connecticut's death row - will not have their sentences commuted.

    Joshua Komisarjevsky and Stephen Hayes were convicted of the murder of Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters inside their Cheshire home in 2007.

    Komisarjevsky and Hayes still have appeal rights, and it will probably be years before they are executed.

    The murders shocked the US and helped defeat a previous bill to abolish the death penalty in Connecticut.

    Dr William Petit, the only survivor of the home invasion attacks, fought to oppose the repeal.

    Connecticut has only carried out one execution in 51 years, in 2005. For all future cases the highest penalty will be life imprisonment without parole.

    New Mexico passed a similar ban in 2009 and did not reduce the sentences of those previously sent to death row.
    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17849177
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    good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty

    besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free
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    good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty

    besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free
    The jury is still out on being tossed in the lego pit.
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    Send them to The Wall.
    Winter is coming.
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    This is good and they'll certainly have a lot more money, but until they improve the conditions of their prisons people will still be commiting crimes when they get out. It just happens that now the government in the area will be spending less money on unecessary things, which shouldn't really have required a public vote as much as just showing the citizens all the vital information.
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    The jury is still out on being tossed in the lego pit.
    Not nearly as bad as the Lego Mile.

    When someone is set free from a sentence of 20+ years, to earn their freedom they must walk down a 100-foot hallway littered with Lego.
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    good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty

    besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free
    So you are happy they're abolishing the death penalty, yet you hope they get killed by inmates instead?
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    So you are happy they're abolishing the death penalty, yet you hope they get killed by inmates instead?
    i love how he dehumanizes the entire prison population
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    Not nearly as bad as the Lego Mile.

    When someone is set free from a sentence of 20+ years, to earn their freedom they must walk down a 100-foot hallway littered with Lego.
    Unfortunately those who survive are left permanently crippled, physically and mentally.
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    So you are happy they're abolishing the death penalty, yet you hope they get killed by inmates instead?
    im sorry, please explain where you get the idea that i 'hope' they get killed by inmates and how i dehumanized the entire prison population

    all i did was simply say if the convicted dude did something really bad, with or without death penalty, another sick dude will simply do it for us
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    More states really should join in on this.

    The death penalty system is so inefficient anyways that a lot people just die on death row before they are officially executed. No point in having it really.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
    Yes, because prisoners are oh so free to move around the entire priso-oh wait.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
    Made my day.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
    Killing people is justice for killing people.

    Good job, there.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
    SilverKnight. Well, the name says it all, really.
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    The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.
    Revenge is not justice. By your generalization, soldiers are also scum, I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that, so reconsider the shit you say. You're asserting an absolutely fail-proof court system if you believe everyone facing death penalty deserves it, an absurd notion. The state is not supposed to avenge victim families. What about the murderer's family? Your civil and human rights are there to prevent exactly that, they are not a grey area and absolutely unforfeitable, that's why they're called rights and not privileges.

    If you want to live in a state with flexible civil rights, move to north korea and see how much you like it there.
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    Not nearly as bad as the Lego Mile.

    When someone is set free from a sentence of 20+ years, to earn their freedom they must walk down a 100-foot hallway littered with Lego.
    A fate worse than death.
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    good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty

    besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free
    You realize the majority of prisoners are in for non violent crimes. Christ you use the term barbarian as freely as the ancient Romans.
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    You realize the majority of prisoners are in for non violent crimes. Christ you use the term barbarian as freely as the ancient Romans.
    if i meant majority or all prisoners were barbarians, then i would've used the word 'those' to generalize them

    but i used 'the' to signify a specific group that's willing to kill because they're sick in the head as well

    neither did i ever say that should happen, merely saying with or without death penalty, someone who committed heinous crimes won't be safe from harm

    i guess being in that moral high horse makes you look down and assume everything eh?
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    good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty

    besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free
    Surly a quick death is better than decades of rape and abuse.
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    Surly a quick death is better than decades of rape and abuse.
    Nope, it's more moral to let a man get raped and abused instead of ending him.
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    That sucks. Why leave these people on Earth for raping and killing people. They deserve to die, and prisons are already full to the brim with people.
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    That sucks. Why leave these people on Earth for raping and killing people. They deserve to die, and prisons are already full to the brim with people.
    Why do they deserve to die?

    And the prisons are full to the brim with non-violent offenders of victimless crimes that shouldn't be crimes (marijuana related).
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    That sucks. Why leave these people on Earth for raping and killing people. They deserve to die, and prisons are already full to the brim with people.
    Yes, since,
    Prisons being full makes it alright to kill people.
    Sure.
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    That sucks. Why leave these people on Earth for raping and killing people. They deserve to die, and prisons are already full to the brim with people.
    I'm sure I'd love your solutions to overpopulation.
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    Surly a quick death is better than decades of rape and abuse.
    maybe the prisons need to be improved then, not the punishment?
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    They deserve to die
    Nice to know that you're the judge of what people deserve.

  29. Post #29
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    More states really should join in on this.

    The death penalty system is so inefficient anyways that a lot people just die on death row before they are officially executed. No point in having it really.
    it's inefficient because the idiots wait 10-30 years to do something that takes seconds.

    Edited:

    I'm sure I'd love your solutions to overpopulation.
    Well they are...and violent prisoners cause even more trouble and could end up killing someone that went to prison for something petty like selling weed. So immoral, right?

    Edited:

    Nice to know that you're the judge of what people deserve.
    It's justice, and saying they deserve it is an opinion, so saying he doesn't or does is two different opinions and neither of the people saying it are right/wrong.

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    maybe the prisons need to be improved then, not the punishment?
    Yes, definitely, but keeping serial killers, rapists, and other terrible people is a waste. The food they feed those shitbirds could feed homeless people that are trying to live and are miserable. yet felons get free meals, showers, a bed, and free medical care.
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    Nice to know that you're the judge of what people deserve.
    There's no one higher than us, so we have to decide for ourselves. Humans are independent after all. We can decide for ourselves.
    If you murder someone, you really don't have much moral rights to live.

  31. Post #31
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    it's inefficient because the idiots wait 10-30 years to do something that takes seconds.
    Yeah forget any of that "proving guilt" and "right to appeals" shit. Just pull out a gun and execute them on the spot. God will sort them out
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    it's inefficient because the idiots wait 10-30 years to do something that takes seconds.

    Well they are...and violent prisoners cause even more trouble and could end up killing someone that went to prison for something petty like selling weed. So immoral, right?
    So passing legislation to kill a significant portion of the prison population in a more streamlined process to ease prison crowding and cut costs seems like a good idea to you? Please tell me I'm reading this horribly wrong.
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    The Union Jack would look a shit ton better with a Hammer and Sickle in the middle of it
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    it's inefficient because the idiots wait 10-30 years to do something that takes seconds.

    Edited:



    Well they are...and violent prisoners cause even more trouble and could end up killing someone that went to prison for something petty like selling weed. So immoral, right?

    Edited:



    It's justice, and saying they deserve it is an opinion, so saying he doesn't or does is two different opinions and neither of the people saying it are right/wrong.

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    Yes, definitely, but keeping serial killers, rapists, and other terrible people is a waste. The food they feed those shitbirds could feed homeless people that are trying to live and are miserable. yet felons get free meals, showers, a bed, and free medical care.
    the cost implications of actually giving someone the lethal injection can take years and up to millions in legal costs. its in no way 'efficient'; not to mention the countless people that never have conclusive evidence and already get harsh enough penalties.

    the best conclusion to combat this is to improve the environments these serial killers grow up in, protect and rehabilitate prisoners, and make life a nicer experience for everyone. what makes you think the serial killers werent the homeless people beforehand?
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  34. Post #34
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    Life and death sentences.. I don't see much difference to be honest.
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    Yeah forget any of that "proving guilt" and "right to appeals" shit. Just pull out a gun and execute them on the spot. God will sort them out
    obviously be absolutely sure they are guilty. Should have put that in there.

    Edited:

    So passing legislation to kill a significant portion of the prison population in a more streamlined process to ease prison crowding and cut costs seems like a good idea to you? Please tell me I'm reading this horribly wrong.
    Not the getting rid of dangerous criminals part, christ you act like all prisoners are in for petty misdemeanors, and not in for committing brutal acts on innocent people.

    Edited:

    the cost implications of actually giving someone the lethal injection can take years and up to millions in legal costs. its in no way 'efficient'; not to mention the countless people that never have conclusive evidence and already get harsh enough penalties.

    the best conclusion to combat this is to improve the environments these serial killers grow up in, protect and rehabilitate prisoners, and make life a nicer experience for everyone. what makes you think the serial killers werent the homeless people beforehand?
    of course some prisoners are homeless, and the death penalty process is horribly inefficient and needs major reforms, but getting rid of it and trying to rehabilitate every single terrible crime committing prisoner will turn out to be a horrible mistake.

  36. Post #36
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    That sucks. Why leave these people on Earth for raping and killing people. They deserve to die, and prisons are already full to the brim with people.
    Look, 90% of this issue is just a matter of opinion (which I'm sure doesn't make yours immune to criticism but that's not what I'm here to argue), but there's plenty of objective facts you need to keep in mind when deciding whether it's something you want your money to go towards.

    Now, the most obvious problem with the death penalty is that it's only very, very rarely that you are entirely certain the person you are sentencing is the one who commited the crime. This, in fact, is where most of the money is spent; a slow, cumbersome process must analyze absolutely everything related to the case, like evidence, people, the case itself, etc., as well as the convicted being given a chance to appeal to the court, which also must be analyzed in extreme detail. These things alone mean that you're devoting time and money that could be better spent on something as simple as a psychological evaluation for something that arguably fixes absolutely nothing.

    But what about deterrence? Surely the threat of death is enough to stop people from commiting crimes? Well, as the various states that still use the death penalty have shown, crime rates don't actually lower change a whole lot. If anything, not having it means lower rates. This is partly because anybody even considering murder is not going to think about what happens after; they just want someone dead, it's all going with the flow afterwards. However, most murders are commited on the spot, in the heat of the moment, by individuals who, whilst not necessarily psychopathic, have too short of a temper; these murders are effectively impossible to prevent, much less deter.

    Well, maybe they just deserve it anyway? Maybe. But that isn't any person's place to decide. Even if you can't accept that we shouldn't make such a choice in good conscience, please accept that that choice costs a lot of money for something that doesn't do a whole lot but kill someone. Maybe they have it coming. But you know who doesn't? The people who need the money saved to live another day.
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    obviously be absolutely sure they are guilty. Should have put that in there.

    Edited:



    Not the getting rid of dangerous criminals part, christ you act like all prisoners are in for petty misdemeanors, and not in for committing brutal acts on innocent people.

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    of course some prisoners are homeless, and the death penalty process is horribly inefficient and needs major reforms, but getting rid of it and trying to rehabilitate every single terrible crime committing prisoner will turn out to be a horrible mistake.
    you've completely missed half of my point lol. and why wouldnt rehabilitation work? i think youre just obsessed with 'efficiency' and removing the people you dont like from society.

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    Not the getting rid of dangerous criminals part, christ you act like all prisoners are in for petty misdemeanors, and not in for committing brutal acts on innocent people.
    I didn't say a thing about what crimes anyone had committed, I was asking if you think more executions would help the prison crowding problem the US has.

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    "death to the death penalty"
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    oh shit, it really says i payed 10.00. Im so fucked. im crying. we are gonna be poor.
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    you've completely missed half of my point lol. and why wouldnt rehabilitation work? i think youre just obsessed with 'efficiency' and removing the people you dont like from society.
    It's not worth rehabilitating a murderer, nor in many cases is it possible.

    Considering that the many / most of the public hold the expectations that a murderer spend the rest of their days in prison, there's not point in going about that aim.
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