1. Post #41
    Governor Goblin's Avatar
    December 2011
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    "Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit)"

    yeah except he's for the state AKA he won't even touch that
    He's voted in DOMA and the like, so I doubt his validity.

  2. Post #42
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    January 2006
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    "Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit)"

    yeah except he's for the state AKA he won't even touch that
    It would be worse to let the states handle abortion because im sure 80-90% would make it harder to get or ban it entirely.
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  3. Post #43
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    December 2011
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    I own and have read all of his books. So at least I am not part of that "most people".
    So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it.

    Edited:

    Personal opinions on life are different from political opinions. I could care less if he doesn't believe in revolution. It's ignorant when people associate that to politics.
    At some point you have to factor it in.
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  4. Post #44
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    August 2011
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    The only honorable thing about Ron Paul is hated by the other Republicans. His policies are absolute shit.
    He was against integration because it "infringed on personal liberty" for fucks sake.
    As well as going against the Civil Rights act of 1964.
    Against Abortion (hypocritical bullshit)
    Eliminating Government agencies like Department of Agriculture and Education
    Eliminating the Income Tax (WHAT)
    More power to States, including civil rights etc.

    It honestly hurts my head that people can overlook all these things and say he's a great candidate and completely deny that there's anything wrong with him.
    The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely.

    A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.
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  5. Post #45
    I'm different!
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    July 2006
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    It would be worse to let the states handle abortion because im sure 80-90% would make it harder to get or ban it entirely.
    Something he is fully aware of. That aside, the states can already do these things largely, look at the mess the idiots in Arizona are making, so its just dangerously redundant.

    Edited:

    The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely.

    A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.
    Sales tax are worse than Income tax and hurt lower incomes far worse than higher incomes.
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  6. Post #46
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    So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it.
    They don't sound bad to me.
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  7. Post #47
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    May 2010
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    Most of the people I hear talking about Ron Paul are younger people who would usually vote Democrat.
    I have never voted Democrat and I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am conservative and usually vote Libertarian.
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  8. Post #48
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    So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it.
    Don't be like that. I get it, you don't like Ron Paul, fine, but you don't have to go around being outright disrespectful to anyone who supports him.
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  9. Post #49
    I once worked at a sperm bank, the food was terrible
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    April 2011
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    Well he does have allot of admirable qualities, but his stances on most stuff is crazy. But a very different and less hateful crazy than the typical GOP politician.

    At the end of the day he is trucking along, causing both hate and happiness every time he is brought up. I guess his manner is allot more pleasant than say, Santorum or Santorum or Romney.

  10. Post #50
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    July 2009
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    They don't sound bad to me.
    Do as I do. Explain your viewpoints on his more controversial policies and delve into the specifics. Give us something to go back and forth about.

  11. Post #51
    Chicken_Chaser's Avatar
    June 2010
    4,372 Posts
    Someone tell me his healthcare plan (or lack thereof)

    Scorpius preferably it sounds like he understands the mind of Paul

    So you're making bad decisions and you're knowledgeable of it.
    If you're going to attack him like that then go in depth.

  12. Post #52
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    December 2009
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    Don't be like that. I get it, you don't like Ron Paul, fine, but you don't have to go around being outright disrespectful to anyone who supports him.
    He's Governor Goblin, of course he has to be disrespectful to anyone who doesn't follow his beliefs.
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  13. Post #53
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    The income tax is, technically, unconstitutional (it's an unapportioned direct tax). He wants to replace it, not get rid of taxes entirely.

    A 15% federal sales tax on everything would be a good way to go, if you eliminate the federal income tax.
    So an objectively regressive tax and no progressive income tax, at a rate of only 15%? The government wouldn't be able to function beyond issuing packets of saltines to soldiers for god's sake, that's a horrid idea.
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  14. Post #54
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    August 2007
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    He's Governor Goblin, of course he has to be disrespectful to anyone who doesn't follow his beliefs.
    I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions.
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  15. Post #55
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    January 2006
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    nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know
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  16. Post #56
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    Do as I do. Explain your viewpoints on his more controversial policies and delve into the specifics. Give us something to go back and forth about.
    Okay, then:

    Education
    He wishes to get rid of the Department of Education because, besides the usual unconstitutionality arguments, it achieves nothing. And I agree. We have poured billions into the federal education system for decades and it has gotten us no where in education levels. The US is constantly falling behind in education and the government's response is to pass stupid laws like No Child Left Behind.

    There's a phrase in my geography class used to describe Russia's influence over it's eastern end - "Distance decay". It means, the further something gets from the core, the less influence the core has. And that's what I feel I see in the federal government with education. The distance between the school down my street to the high offices in the Depart. of Ed. is too great.

    Foreign Policy

    I'm sure we'll all agree on this one - noninterventionism. America should stay out of the internal affairs of every single nation on this planet. Not only do we get many American lives slaughtered, but the civilians of the regions we occupy.

    Our constant interference in the affairs of other nations is what made 9/11 happen. Bin Laden said it himself in his speech about the attacks. Yet instead of doing the logical thing and withdraw, we invade more places, displace more populations and kill more Americans and foreigners alike. What does that doe? Nothing but fuel the next terrorist attack.

    Just as such, we should cut off foreign aid. The government hasn't a right to take money from you that you justly earned and throw it away to some dictator overseas. That money is yours, the least the government can do is spend it on helping you in some way.

    Pro-Life

    He's against abortion, I know that much. But honestly, I have yet to read any of the chapters in any of his books on the subject because he always repeats a graphic personal story of his regarding the topic that I just can't stomach myself to go through.

    But I should remind you that he is 100% pro-life, which means he opposes capital punishment. He morally opposes it on all levels of government, but holding true to his belief in the Constitution, he allows for state held executions. As for the federal government, he is strongly opposed to it.

    I can list other topics, but later, as I have to head to bed.

    Edited:

    So an objectively regressive tax and no progressive income tax, at a rate of only 15%? The government wouldn't be able to function beyond issuing packets of saltines to soldiers for god's sake, that's a horrid idea.
    Sales tax isn't the only thing he plans to use to replace income tax. He aims to reform tariffs and import taxes as well. I forget how, exactly.

    But a big claim of his against income tax is that the federal government should not be wildly spending so much money that they need the income tax to begin with. Everyone freaks out that the government will have no money if he gets rid of income tax, but you have to remember that he also plans on cutting a HUGE amount of government spending as well.
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  17. Post #57
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    July 2009
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    I can list other topics, but later, as I have to head to bed.
    Yeah I don't get how this section gets so active around Midnight - 2AM.
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  18. Post #58
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    December 2009
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    I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions.
    As of late, I haven't been very effective.
    You can be nice as possible and some people are just going to be assholes. Internet anonymity assures that.
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  19. Post #59
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    I'm sorry, I'm just being an idealist. I'm under the impression that, perhaps if we stopped viciously insulting each-other, then maybe we could have some nice conversations about our differences in opinions.
    As of late, I haven't been very effective.
    Garry uses the statement, "Become further entrenched in your own views by defending them against people entrenched in their own" to describe the Mass Debate section, but to be honest - it's a description for the entire internet.
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  20. Post #60
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    August 2007
    9,190 Posts
    nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know
    Sadly, you're completely correct about that.

    Edited:

    Yeah I don't get how this section gets so active around Midnight - 2AM.
    Thanks for the reminder. Didn't realize what time it was.
    Later everyone.
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  21. Post #61
    Hidole555's Avatar
    July 2009
    4,685 Posts
    nice conversations are for friends over wine, not for people on the internet you don't know
    then the solution is simple.



    Internet wine, anyone?
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  22. Post #62
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    Sales tax isn't the only thing he plans to use to replace income tax. He aims to reform tariffs and import taxes as well. I forget how, exactly.

    But a big claim of his against income tax is that the federal government should not be wildly spending so much money that they need the income tax to begin with. Everyone freaks out that the government will have no money if he gets rid of income tax, but you have to remember that he also plans on cutting a HUGE amount of government spending as well.
    Well again, you cannot have this idea of replacing the income tax with reforms in other taxes and boosts in sales tax without also saying 'we need to cut all the stuff', including medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment insurance, and so many things that people depend upon now and should be able to count on existing in the future.

  23. Post #63
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    May 2010
    90 Posts
    Well again, you cannot have this idea of replacing the income tax with reforms in other taxes and boosts in sales tax without also saying 'we need to cut all the stuff', including medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment insurance, and so many things that people depend upon now and should be able to count on existing in the future.
    Yah I'm looking forward to my powerchair at little or no cost to me!

  24. Post #64
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    December 2009
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    holy shit snip, I'm retarded.

    Edited:

    Hmmm, his stance on abortion seriously concerns me.

  25. Post #65
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    February 2007
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    Being genuine doesn't really stand out as a 'good trait' on its own. You could just as easily be a genuine Fascist but I very much doubt many of us here would applaud that kind of person.
    I never said it did. Just pointing out that while his views are crazy and I disagree with nearly all of them you still have to give him credit for sticking to them for several decades. I can respect that atleast.
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  26. Post #66
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    May 2010
    90 Posts
    holy shit snip, I'm retarded.

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    Hmmm, his stance on abortion seriously concerns me.
    Who cares what his stance on abortion is? His entire campaign is based on the fact that the federal government should have less power and the state governments should have more. That includes abortion. It would be regulated by the states and the federal government would stay out of it. So his personal stances on issues mean less than if a different politician was elected.
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  27. Post #67
    holy shit snip, I'm retarded.

    Edited:

    Hmmm, his stance on abortion seriously concerns me.
    then I suggest you stay away from getting pregnant.

  28. Post #68

    April 2012
    118 Posts
    They are pretty crazy unless you think that there should be a gold standard, and removal of the departments of agriculture and education.
    He just doesn't want the U.S Government to have it's fingers in everything, the states can individually handle things like healthcare etc.

    Edited:

    holy shit snip, I'm retarded.

    Edited:

    Hmmm, his stance on abortion seriously concerns me.
    Wow, THAT is what concerns you? nevermind the government is fucking the entire country over inside and out.

  29. Post #69
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    October 2009
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    then I suggest you stay away from getting pregnant.
    What about in cases of rape and or incest?

  30. Post #70
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    Who cares what his stance on abortion is?
    Uh, women?

    Edited:

    What about in cases of rape and or incest?
    Massachusetts: No problem
    Mississippi: GIFT FROM GOD
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  31. Post #71
    Even though he's racist, and batshit insane on the economy standards. He does try to swing the republican party back from batshit country. He's got suprisingly modern views for an old person.
    holy shit newsletters from 1990s that he didnt even write it's clear he's a white supremicist nigger lynching, what a horrible human being!
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  32. Post #72
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    Being genuine doesn't really stand out as a 'good trait' on its own. You could just as easily be a genuine Fascist but I very much doubt many of us here would applaud that kind of person.
    I dunno man the nazis had pretty good fashion sense.
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  33. Post #73
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    I dunno man the nazis had pretty good fashion sense.
    And were great at getting everyone into the spirit of things.
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  34. Post #74
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    He just doesn't want the U.S Government to have it's fingers in everything, the states can individually handle things like healthcare etc.
    And if you're in a state that decides not to give you healthcare, or rather, even less help with it? Say you're in Alabama, and they vote to not have any aid for medical care. If you're poor enough to need that help, chances are you can't up and move, so what would you recommend?

    Edited:

    holy shit newsletters from 1990s that he didnt even write it's clear he's a white supremicist nigger lynching, what a horrible human being!
    Believe me, he doesn't need the newsletters to have terrible policies.
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  35. Post #75
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    May 2010
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    And if you're in a state that decides not to give you healthcare, or rather, even less help with it? Say you're in Alabama, and they vote to not have any aid for medical care. If you're poor enough to need that help, chances are you can't up and move, so what would you recommend?

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    Believe me, he doesn't need the newsletters to have terrible policies.
    Hell man, I don't have healthcare now, I don't know what you talkin. If I'm in a state that doesn't want healthcare then at least I won't have to pay taxes on it, unlike the current system where I'm putting money into some things that I'll probably never use.
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    And if you're in a state that decides not to give you healthcare, or rather, even less help with it? Say you're in Alabama, and they vote to not have any aid for medical care. If you're poor enough to need that help, chances are you can't up and move, so what would you recommend?

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    Believe me, he doesn't need the newsletters to have terrible policies.
    If a state decides not to, it would suck to live in that state.

    If the U.S Government decides not to, it would suck to live in the country.


    Having a gigantic socialist baby-sitter system never ends well.
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  37. Post #77
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    Having a gigantic socialist baby-sitter system never ends well.
    Yes, because everyone knows that the Canadian single-payer healthcare system and the UK's NHS, along with the numerous other countries that have universal healthcare just don't work, am I right? It's not like we pay more for healthcare per capita than those nations, or that even still less of our citizens are covered.


    Oh wait, we do.
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  38. Post #78
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    May 2010
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    Yes, because everyone knows that the Canadian single-payer healthcare system and the UK's NHS, along with the numerous other countries that have universal healthcare just don't work, am I right? It's not like we pay more for healthcare per capita than those nations, or that even still less of our citizens are covered.


    Oh wait, we do.
    Canadians will be the first to tell you that their medical system isn't the best. They have a lot of trouble holding good doctors (what kind of doctor wants to get paid by the Canadian government when they get paid more in USA and other countries) and their wait times on even simple procedures (especially simple procedures) are absurd. I speak from personal experience as my wife is Canadian (I am not.... yet) and she has been in the hospital for various medical problems and has been waiting on 1 particular procedure for 5 years because there are only 2 doctors in Canada (as apposed to thousands in America, wish I was rich) who do the procedure. If she could get American insurance this would have been done 5 years ago.

    Edit: So sure the grass is always greener right? Not saying don't need healthcare reform because we do, just don't point out Canada as a poster child because their system is broken as well.
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  39. Post #79
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    He just doesn't want the U.S Government to have it's fingers in everything, the states can individually handle things like healthcare etc.

    Edited:



    Wow, THAT is what concerns you? nevermind the government is fucking the entire country over inside and out.
    Of course that's what concerns me. Jesus people, let me clarify: I simply said that his stance on abortion CONCERNED me, not that I was discounting him entirely because of it.

    The reason that I stand so adamantly on the right of abortion is because of the fact that, if he truly is against big government, then why would he want to even touch the Row V. Wade ruling? It shows a contradiction of values in my opinion. Abortion also concerns me as a right simply because of the slippery slope argument: You give away one right, and you've given them all away. It's simply just a matter of time.

  40. Post #80
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    the canadian healthcare is pretty good but it's taken up a mammoth's share of the budget in every province, if I'm not mistaken.

    Edited:

    I think some of the glaring flaws that it has won't be much of an issue in the states though.

    Edited:

    If a state decides not to, it would suck to live in that state.

    If the U.S Government decides not to, it would suck to live in the country.


    Having a gigantic socialist baby-sitter system never ends well.
    Except in norway where they have one of the highest standards of living in the world.

    Edited:

    Who cares what his stance on abortion is? His entire campaign is based on the fact that the federal government should have less power and the state governments should have more. That includes abortion. It would be regulated by the states and the federal government would stay out of it. So his personal stances on issues mean less than if a different politician was elected.
    I think every women has the right to an abortion if they so choose. I don't want some fart in the state congress or federal congress getting in the way of that right.
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