1. Post #81
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    GOP voters (or people who consider themselves conservative politically) are probably more well informed than Democrat (or people who consider themselves liberal politically). It's certainly believable.
    That said this article shouldn't be used as the definitive guide. Folks on both sides are smart and dumb depending on who you talk to.

    Though this bit at the end
    The Daily Caller also reports:
    "The Pew survey adds to a wave of surveys and studies showing that GOP-sympathizers are better informed, more intellectually consistent, more open-minded, more empathetic and more receptive to criticism than their fellow Americans who support the Democratic Party."
    is really dumb.
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  2. Post #82
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    would you say that Rick Santorum is neither more or less ignorant than President Obama, he just has different opinions?
    I would say that Romney is equally ignorant to Obama, but they have different opinions. It has nothing to do with ideology. Big shocker- people believe there are solutions other than or contrary to the ones you believe. That doesn't make them wrong, or stupid, or less than you. That's just you being an illogical, self-important morally insecure and emotions-driven ideologue, and not a rational or logical politically-minded person.
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  3. Post #83
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    -snip-

    Edited:

    I would say that Romney is equally ignorant to Obama, but they have different opinions. It has nothing to do with ideology. Big shocker- people believe there are solutions other than or contrary to the ones you believe. That doesn't make them wrong, or stupid, or less than you. That's just you being an illogical, self-important morally insecure and illogical emotion-driven ideologue, and not a rational or logical politically-minded person.
    yeah man ad hominems totally work

    dude some things just make more sense than others

    if you want to waste time trying to be "rational" trying to explain why it would make sense to bring back segregation or something insane, you'd be an idiot

    something like that example - would just be fucking wrong

    you shouldn't have to explain why

    it's up to the person to understand why
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  4. Post #84
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    his comment was perfectly justified, it wasn't even part of the study, it was just the article throwing in their own biased interpretation of the results

    where in the study does it indicate any of this:
    it didn't, and i didn't say it supported the study, merely the statement. it's not a justified comment because it views the other side as complete idiots, and i don't care which party you are, blindly prejudicing the opposing party as bumbling idiots is stupid.

  5. Post #85
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    I see people with a wacky liberal bias and really it's just as bad as conservatives doing it. To them you are just going to look like the left wing version of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. You can't just say "right wingers are stupid lol its common sense because jesus and abortion and they hate poor people". They can put forward equally horrible arguments against the left wing and you'll never get anywhere. You have to put ideas on the same level playing field and look at it logically. If an idea is bad then say "your idea is bad, and here is why" not just "im rite and ur wrong lol". You can't just shut off your brain the instant someone brings up an idea you don't like.
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  6. Post #86
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    it didn't, and i didn't say it supported the study, merely the statement. it's not a justified comment because it views the other side as complete idiots, and i don't care which party you are, blindly prejudicing the opposing party as bumbling idiots is stupid.
    but isn't one of the whole points of assuming a political position is that you think the alternative is... ignorant?
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  7. Post #87
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    -snip-

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    yeah man ad hominems totally work

    dude some things just make more sense than others

    if you want to waste time trying to be "rational" trying to explain why it would make sense to bring back segregation or something insane, you'd be an idiot

    something like that example - would just be fucking wrong

    you shouldn't have to explain why

    it's up to the person to understand why
    Firstly, that wasn't an ad hominem. That was a criticism of your claims and your arguments. Which is the issue here.

    You don't seem to understand.

    People
    have
    different
    opinions
    and
    they
    are
    not
    always
    wrong.

    You keep doing that thing. That thing where you provide absolutely nothing except your own philosophical opinions to argue that no other philosophical opinion could be right because your philosophical opinion is the one you support. This is, of course, after you try to say your opinions were objectively correct.

    You, affirming your position, ALWAYS have to explain why. That IS the objective process. Not doing so puts you at the same level as some ignorant fundamentalist Fox News worshiper.

    I'm going to say it again for you. Your individual views do not matter in this discussion. They don't. What does matter is why you have those views and why you proclaim them to be the only correct views. You need to affirm why that is. You need to provide something, anything, that has a rational or measurable basis if you at all want to be taken seriously, or have anything to do with objectivity.
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  8. Post #88
    Republicans aren's stupid people.

    This article is stupid though.
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  9. Post #89
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    but isn't one of the whole points of assuming a political position is that you think the alternative is... ignorant?
    No. It means that you believe your views would provide a more desirable outcome. Just because you don't support their goals or disagree with their method does not mean you assume that they are ignorant or even wrong.
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  10. Post #90
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    but isn't one of the whole points of assuming a political position is that you think the alternative is... ignorant?
    it's constructed to be, so we have a nice us vs them attitude and never actually produce progress.

  11. Post #91
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    would you say that Rick Santorum is neither more or less ignorant than President Obama, he just has different opinions?
    I think Rick Santorum's politics are well within the bounds of extremism, and therefore his politics are only agreeable to a select group of people. Personally I think he's an asshole because of the extent of his beliefs. I was talking more along the lines of normal people. What I'm trying to get at is you cannot judge a persons intelligence by their political beliefs. Mr.Santorum may be an asshole, homophobe, and generally ignorant, but he also has a Law degree and an MBA. I think he's misguided, not an idiot.

    Edited:

    I see people with a wacky liberal bias and really it's just as bad as conservatives doing it. To them you are just going to look like the left wing version of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. You can't just say "right wingers are stupid lol its common sense because jesus and abortion and they hate poor people". They can put forward equally horrible arguments against the left wing and you'll never get anywhere. You have to put ideas on the same level playing field and look at it logically. If an idea is bad then say "your idea is bad, and here is why" not just "im rite and ur wrong lol". You can't just shut off your brain the instant someone brings up an idea you don't like.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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  12. Post #92
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    I think Rick Santorum's politics are well within the bounds of extremism, and therefore his politics are only agreeable to a select group of people. Personally I think he's an asshole because of the extent of his beliefs. I was talking more along the lines of normal people. What I'm trying to get at is you cannot judge a persons intelligence by their political beliefs. Mr.Santorum may be an asshole, homophobe, and generally ignorant, but he also has a Law degree and an MBA. I think he's misguided, not an idiot.
    well, i don't think anyone actually thinks people who have different political beliefs than them are actually "stupid"

    just ignorant, or misguided

    people just use idiot out of rage or as a quick word to get a point across or whatever

    __

    i understand where you guys are coming from about my shitty arguing skills

    but i mean

    i can't really put it any other way than some things make more sense than others

    i guess that just makes me an idiot
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  13. Post #93
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    Something in addition to my earlier post, one of the biggest divides, by far, is which party is more in favor of smaller government. While this would seem to be the Republican party, it seems the actual members of that party currently in power are far from willing to reduce the size of the military, and are plenty willing to restrict what people do with their private lives - not exactly in line with "make the government smaller." I wonder how much perception bias occurred regarding that particular question.

  14. Post #94
    churboi austin
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    well, i don't think anyone actually thinks people who have different political beliefs than them are actually "stupid"

    just ignorant, or misguided
    see i disagree with you here, i think there are people who find others with opposing beliefs to genuinely be stupid.
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  15. Post #95
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    Something in addition to my earlier post, one of the biggest divides, by far, is which party is more in favor of smaller government. While this would seem to be the Republican party, it seems the actual members of that party currently in power are far from willing to reduce the size of the military, and are plenty willing to restrict what people do with their private lives - not exactly in line with "make the government smaller." I wonder how much perception bias occurred regarding that particular question.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    They only make up a quarter to a third of Congress at any given time, really. This presidential race, only Gingrich was a neocon.

    To explain: Neoconservatism is a relatively recent ideology that holds fiscal conservatism/neoliberalism with a preemptive or pro-active foreign policy approach, while holding traditionalist social values with less emphasis on personal liberties.

  16. Post #96
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    For the most part, I don't associate a persons political views with a persons intelligence. I know that many in the Republican party aren't racists and bible thumpers, hell, most of my family is Republican and only a couple of them are like that. Those specific views however, I can find those idiotic, horrible, and just generally detrimental. The people are just misguided.

  17. Post #97
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    They only make up a quarter to a third of Congress at any given time, really. This presidential race, only Gingrich was a neocon.
    That page is sort of jumbled, I'm not really sure what Neoconservatism is about. I was more referring to the typical near-unanimous votes of Republicans for or against things, primarily in the Senate. If this group (responsible for what I mentioned or not) was such a minority, I wouldn't expect unanimity against things like budget changes.

  18. Post #98
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    I too got 13 questions right. Wtf? I'm better than the average congress member?
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  19. Post #99
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    I've heard it described that a lot of people were liberal early on in their lives, but then decided their ideas were naive and became conservative, thus conservatives tend to be older, hence more knowledgable. That happened to me, now I shitpost on Facepunch.
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  20. Post #100
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    I got 12 questions right on their quiz, makes it seem like the survey was easy. Did this survey take age into account? I feel like too many air headed teenagers got mixed into the survey. Conservatives tend to be older. If you look at the quiz results by demographic, you can see that people ages 50+ did noticeably better than people who identified as high school students.

  21. Post #101
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    I too got 13 questions right. Wtf? I'm better than the average congress member?
    This is a poll of voters not congressmen.

  22. Post #102
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    This entire thread has been dully noted

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    This entire thread has been dully noted
    Duly noted.

  24. Post #104
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    This entire thread has been dully noted
    I dunno I think the posts here were pretty insightful for people.

       this is a joke :3   

  25. Post #105
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    Too many people thinking "Republicans" and instantly going into a keyboard smashing rage, exacerbated by OP's terrible source.
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  26. Post #106
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    Now let's watch the flood of people who disregard this study because it doesn't fit their viewpoint...
    I disregard the study, not because it doesn't fit my viewpoint, but because it is taking the wrong conclusion from a set of data.

    People are going to know more about matters that interest them. I mean, Republicans know more about government reduction, being conservative and drilling for oil than Democrats? Democrats know more about cutting defense spending? Holy shit, dawg! Hold the presses! This is news!

    This is such bullshit. I mean, it's like you're giving someone a test on your personal life, and then labeling them stupid because they don't know as much about you as your mother. It's like comparing Americans to Chinese and then saying Americans are stupid, because they don't speak Chinese as well.
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  27. Post #107
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    I won't argue all of it, but more open minded? More empathetic? These are the people who want to shape government after their own views at the cost of other people's rights.
    GOP wants more rights for american citizens, remember it's the democrats threatening the first amendment with SOPA and the like and the Second amendment with pretty much every gun control law ever. We're here to keep you morons from getting rid of our constitutional rights, not the other way around
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  28. Post #108
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    remember it's the democrats threatening the first amendment with SOPA
    sopa was written by a texas republican wtf
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  29. Post #109
    Played it for the plot
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    sopa was written by a texas republican wtf
    and then backed by democrats.
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  30. Post #110
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    I'm not surprised to hear this. I've seen other studies in which liberals tend to be more "stubborn" than conservatives in their beliefs.

    I've seen it in person, too.
    I've seen it on Facepunch.

  31. Post #111
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    and then backed by democrats.
    it was sponsored by 4 democrats compared to 10 republicans
    and like most democrats and republicans were against sopa in the first place
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  32. Post #112
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    And my dick is nine inches


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  33. Post #113
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    I decided to try this test, since I'm not from the US.


    Fairly certain that the "was xxyy a republican or democrat" questions fucked me over, I don't know a shit about american history or politics in the first place.
    I suppose my results were fairly average.
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  34. Post #114
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    I decided to try this test, since I'm not from the US.


    Fairly certain that the "was xxyy a republican or democrat" questions fucked me over, I don't know a shit about american history or politics in the first place.
    I suppose my results were fairly average.
    Just thirteen questions? I'm going to take this test when I get home. This should be fun.

  35. Post #115
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    I got 12/13 and I'm not even American.

  36. Post #116
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
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    I decided to try this test, since I'm not from the US.


    Fairly certain that the "was xxyy a republican or democrat" questions fucked me over, I don't know a shit about american history or politics in the first place.
    I suppose my results were fairly average.
    What did you guess? FDR and Pelosi are Democrats, Boehner and Lincoln Republicans

  37. Post #117
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    Took the test got ten right. I'm not an american so all the was X or Y a democrat or republican kinda shafted me. Because I honestly haven't heard of two and have no clue what FDR and lincoln were on the scale.

    Assumed FDR was democrat and guessed it right.

  38. Post #118
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    i got 12/13 too. the one i got wrong was John Boehner. I put democrat, but he's republican apparently. it just sounded like he had a democrat's name.
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  39. Post #119
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    it didn't, and i didn't say it supported the study, merely the statement. it's not a justified comment because it views the other side as complete idiots, and i don't care which party you are, blindly prejudicing the opposing party as bumbling idiots is stupid.
    i don't think laughing at the idea of idolizing the GOP as a caring, open minded party is hateful or viewing the GOP as idiots. its laughable to think that the people against gay rights and abortion are "open minded" and empathetic when one of their major platforms is getting rid of welfare
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  40. Post #120
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    i got 12/13 too. the one i got wrong was John Boehner. I put democrat, but he's republican apparently. it just sounded like he had a democrat's name.
    He's currently the Speaker of the House, where the Republicans hold their majority.
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