1. Post #1
    Dennab
    August 2011
    3,724 Posts
    Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies? I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier?

    examples

    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education)
    - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive
    - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical.

    Avoiding of course..
    - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group)
    - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change)
    - Nationality
    - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce.


    Edit: i don't simply mean Killing them all. Other ways to do it include disallowing a certain ammount of reproduction.

  2. Post #2
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    WitheredGryphon's Avatar
    July 2011
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    It's all based on opinion and murdering millions of people, no matter the cause, is never justified in my opinion.

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    Emperor Scorpious II's Avatar
    February 2009
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    The Nazis killed because of different political beliefs too, like you're suggesting, not just ethnicity.

    This includes the conservative and "people who can't change their minds".

  4. Post #4
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    SPESS MEHRINE's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,466 Posts
    Mass murder is never justified.

  5. Post #5
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    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,084 Posts
    Yes it would be terrible to target certain personalities.

    I think your personality and beliefs are dumb. You should be killed off. See? Who gets to choose who lives or dies? It sounds good as long as you are the one who chooses. What if I get to choose?

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    June 2011
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    examples

    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    Really? This is part of human nature.
    - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education)
    I want further information about this, it isn't described well, But does this seriously matter? Try to ignore them, They have a right to live.
    - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive
    Conservatives may say the same about you. You have every right to be as Racist and homophobic as you wish. Just try to keep it to yourself, Your opinion.
    - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical.
    You may THINK you have disproven their disbeliefs, But in their minds you haven't and they still cling to whatever strand of evidence to support them they have.

    Avoiding of course..
    - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group)
    - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change)
    - Nationality
    - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce.
    Um, This is... ugh.

    People can think whatever they want. Be racist, be homophobic. Keep it to yourselves however, if you may. And every reason you have listed concerns to how you think. I've italicized for my comments to some things you stated up there.

  7. Post #7
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    EditOutJ's Avatar
    December 2009
    245 Posts
    There are people who all fall into the same sought I category that I would like to be dead, yes.

    But I could never justify it. They still contribute to society in a positive way, and that deserves for the them to be alive.

  8. Post #8
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    [Seed Eater]'s Avatar
    July 2011
    5,820 Posts
    Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies? I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier?

    examples

    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education)
    - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive
    - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical.

    Avoiding of course..
    - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group)
    - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change)
    - Nationality
    - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce.
    These are the same thing.

    There is no way in hell you can justify this.

  9. Post #9
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    Mabus's Avatar
    July 2007
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    Generally history has shown us that people who engage in genocide aren't too interested in justifying genocide.

  10. Post #10
    So, anything from the left is correct and conservative views shouldn't be heard because you think it is wrong.
    Some of the most liberal people have held some conservative beliefs. You can't be totally ONE way unless you are a radical, which nobody likes. I for one am conservative but moderate because I hold some liberal views like on gay rights and maybe marijuana legalization. And I believe that there is truth in both political ideological belief systems. Some conservative views are correct and some liberal views are correct. We can't just move forward constantly because in the end we have to draw a line and say too much is too much. But at the same time we can't just be stuck in the past and never change anything. That is vague but it is how America works and that is why we have been so successful in the past.

    Okay, kill off radical people who refuse to change their religious beliefs because you deem it "Harmful" Where does that line end? Nobody can draw it and if they do, it would change depending on who has authority.

    You didn't put much thought into the OP. I can tell because your opinions were extremely shallow and you didn't look at the other side of things or else you would have different ones. For example, I read about Obama's policy on student loans and think its great the we be forgiven after a certain amount of years depending on your job because an educated workforce benefits the economy and making it easier to send kids to school helps that. HOWEVER, I understand the other side and how that might affect certain parts of America so I'm wary about it until I can see the whole thing. And even then, once you implement it, it may take a different turn that was unexpected by both parties. Know how many times the Democrats have adopted an idea from a 3rd party and pushed it through? Social Security is an example. They adopted it from the Communist party because ti was gaining so much traction. IF they ignored it then they may have had a similar fate to the Whigs and slavery. They initially didn't want it to last so long but now so many people depend on it, it has become a necessity to keep.

    okay, I got side tracked. It is NEVER okay to murder somebody because of their beliefs. If somebody says "I'm going to murder the president" or "I'm going to murder every black man in town," you can arrest them for the threat but you can't put them to death for something they MIGHT do. The constitution is racked with clauses and articles that protect that.

  11. Post #11
    Dennab
    August 2011
    3,194 Posts
    The fact you think its possible is bad

  12. Post #12
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    [Seed Eater]'s Avatar
    July 2011
    5,820 Posts
    So, anything from the left is correct and conservative views shouldn't be heard because you think it is wrong.
    Some of the most liberal people have held some conservative beliefs. You can't be totally ONE way unless you are a radical, which nobody likes. I for one am conservative but moderate because I hold some liberal views like on gay rights and maybe marijuana legalization. And I believe that there is truth in both political ideological belief systems. Some conservative views are correct and some liberal views are correct. We can't just move forward constantly because in the end we have to draw a line and say too much is too much. But at the same time we can't just be stuck in the past and never change anything. That is vague but it is how America works and that is why we have been so successful in the past.

    Okay, kill off radical people who refuse to change their religious beliefs because you deem it "Harmful" Where does that line end? Nobody can draw it and if they do, it would change depending on who has authority.

    You didn't put much thought into the OP. I can tell because your opinions were extremely shallow and you didn't look at the other side of things or else you would have different ones. For example, I read about Obama's policy on student loans and think its great the we be forgiven after a certain amount of years depending on your job because an educated workforce benefits the economy and making it easier to send kids to school helps that. HOWEVER, I understand the other side and how that might affect certain parts of America so I'm wary about it until I can see the whole thing. And even then, once you implement it, it may take a different turn that was unexpected by both parties. Know how many times the Democrats have adopted an idea from a 3rd party and pushed it through? Social Security is an example. They adopted it from the Communist party because ti was gaining so much traction. IF they ignored it then they may have had a similar fate to the Whigs and slavery. They initially didn't want it to last so long but now so many people depend on it, it has become a necessity to keep.

    okay, I got side tracked. It is NEVER okay to murder somebody because of their beliefs. If somebody says "I'm going to murder the president" or "I'm going to murder every black man in town," you can arrest them for the threat but you can't put them to death for something they MIGHT do. The constitution is racked with clauses and articles that protect that.
    You keep using that word 'radical'...I don't think it means what you think it means. I'm a radical. I hold a mix of traditional liberal and conservative beliefs. But I also want to make large changes to the current political system, hence I'm a radical to this system. Radicalism is relative. Your radical is normal in other nations. The idea that "no one likes radicals" is silly.

    But otherwise you're right.

  13. Post #13
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    Dr. Gestapo's Avatar
    October 2011
    2,011 Posts
    It's never justified and it will never be no matter how logical your course of action may seem.

  14. Post #14
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    Emperor Scorpious II's Avatar
    February 2009
    25,778 Posts
    Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies? I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier?

    examples

    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education)
    - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive
    - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical.

    Avoiding of course..
    - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group)
    - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change)
    - Nationality
    - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce.
    You do realize that mass murder is extremely violent? In essence, you wish to eradicate yourself.

  15. Post #15
    zakedodead's Avatar
    September 2007
    3,255 Posts
    Brown pepl

    (User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how you debate" - Craptasket))

  16. Post #16
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    August 2005
    4,197 Posts
    I think we're all the product of our youth/experiences and whatever is imposed on us whilst growing up.

    I'd say that we're mentally completely clear at birth, all the trivial drama comes afterwards.

    Genetically we might inherit certain things but they only reason we even see that as making us 'different' from one another is because we've invented language and ideas around us being different.

    Like for instance:- If you liked to get into punchups, I'd say that came from parental influence in childhood, perhaps his dad beat mom, experiences at school, perhaps even movie or video game violence influenced it in some way.

    Take the same guy and strip away whatever influenced him to act in that manner and replace it with different experiences, his parents told him violence was wrong, perhaps he got popular at school and got good grades:- Now he's a teacher instead!

    Take Hitler:- He was born and grew up as a child, just like everyone else, and something influenced him to think and act the way he did, and at the same time he became a great public speaker and able to motivate audiences greatly.

    There are no inherently good or bad people in this world. There are people who come up with ideas and who come up with 'causes' to fight for, and occasionally, through believing that violence/hostility/negativity is the right way to attain their ends, trigger wars and issues to arise.

    So, I'd probably rather see everyone put through intensive meditation and years of inner work, to start returning to a 'simpler' state of affairs, not one based on fears and totally insane and irrational beliefs built up from years of other people telling us what to believe, that they in turn carried on from other people's influences. It's like a cosmic game of Chinese Whispers.

    Back in the old days when life consisted of living in a field, such things would have been easy to go about, now-a-days it'd be nigh-on-impossible to sort everyone out, especially deeply-rooted fundamentalists with absolutely no self-explored theory/experiences of God, preaching that 'you don't need to experience God or do any of your own searching to find him!' which appeals to the masses, whilst stepping aside the natural idea of 'seeking and observing by yourself' and going into the realms of the completely irrational and insane idea of 'blind faith'. On the other hand, scientists find the idea of 'controlling' nature appealing, and lots of people hold 'blind faith' in this as well.

    I do not justify Mass Extermination on the basis that we're all the same intrinsically and if you had experienced different experiences, you'd be a completely different person (maybe even Hitler).

    I do however implore you all to explore your own experience before blindly believing anything anyone tells you regarding it.

  17. Post #17
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    Splurgy_A's Avatar
    February 2006
    1,106 Posts
    Thinking of the holocaust- Would it realy be considered such a terrible event if the nazi's Didn't target ethnicities and minorities but rather certain personalities and traits or used different strategies?
    Yes. Yes it would.
    I mean- Australia tried to remove the aborigines by breeding them out and Most Non-australians never even learn of it. Would you WANT types of people to disappear in order to make your life easier?
    I might at times wish some people didn't exist (or rather, thought and behaved differently) but I've never at any point in my life wished for a eugenics program or a genocide.
    examples

    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    Some people are violent, but this doesn't mean they deserve to die. Sometimes violence can be justified, for example, against other aggressors. Some of my friends are quite violent but deep down they're good people.
    - People who are against reading and can't speak coherently (who have access to free education)
    There are cultural factors at play, as well as the issue of income; you might have free education, but not the financial backing needed for a stable home life... hence young!you doesn't get to do their homework. Also "speaking coherently" is relative and probably ethnocentric.
    Even if you remove these factors, you basically suggesting stupid people and philistines should be killed or sterilised. These people aren't necessarily bad people, just stupid.
    - The Racist/homophobic/very conservative who share their opinions very loudly. Most people see these groups as strange initialy, but we get over it. Id realy like to get society to a point where jokes concerning race and sexual orientation can be funny and unoffensive
    They're dicks, but people don't get to die for being dicks. I like what we have in the UK, where inciting racial hatred etc. is classified as a crime.
    - The People who can't change their minds, Even when their beliefs have been shown false or are proven to be highly illogical.
    My Mum thinks her Mum watches over her from Heaven. She's not changing her belief. It doesn't really harm anyone, so why should it bother you?
    Avoiding of course..
    - Ethnicity. What you are attracted too (I am even fine with peadophiles- so long as they don't act on it. ) and religion (unless it's harmful to society- There are members from every group)
    - Political beliefs (i would preferably keep people to the left wing and liberal minded- Because i have concluded that the opposite is wrong, but i think that if something has it's values i shouldn't force a change)
    - Nationality
    - People with disabilities- Most of them do not reproduce.
    To conclude: Please don't commit an act of genocide.

  18. Post #18
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    Fire Kracker's Avatar
    January 2007
    12,135 Posts
    the only person left to exterminate would be yourself

    no it's never justified

  19. Post #19
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    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,084 Posts
    So, I'd probably rather see everyone put through intensive meditation and years of inner work, to start returning to a 'simpler' state of affairs, not one based on fears and totally insane and irrational beliefs built up from years of other people telling us what to believe, that they in turn carried on from other people's influences. It's like a cosmic game of Chinese Whispers.

    Back in the old days when life consisted of living in a field, such things would have been easy to go about, now-a-days it'd be nigh-on-impossible to sort everyone out, especially deeply-rooted fundamentalists with absolutely no self-explored theory/experiences of God, preaching that 'you don't need to experience God or do any of your own searching to find him!' which appeals to the masses, whilst stepping aside the natural idea of 'seeking and observing by yourself' and going into the realms of the completely irrational and insane idea of 'blind faith'. On the other hand, scientists find the idea of 'controlling' nature appealing, and lots of people hold 'blind faith' in this as well.

    I do not justify Mass Extermination on the basis that we're all the same intrinsically and if you had experienced different experiences, you'd be a completely different person (maybe even Hitler).

    I do however implore you all to explore your own experience before blindly believing anything anyone tells you regarding it.
    Who are you to tell people that their beliefs are wrong and that they need to return to a "'simpler' state of affairs"?

  20. Post #20
    Dennab
    March 2012
    867 Posts
    Kill emotionally and sexually abusive people or castrate them so they can't cripple some poor child's life. If they have kids, take their kids away to a better place.

  21. Post #21
    warflamingo's Avatar
    November 2011
    29 Posts
    Kill emotionally and sexually abusive people or castrate them so they can't cripple some poor child's life. If they have kids, take their kids away to a better place.
    I think it's incredibly ironic that you have a picture of Kant as your avatar.

  22. Post #22
    Desuh's Avatar
    November 2011
    10,659 Posts
    Either exterminate no one or the whole humanity.

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    Checkers's Avatar
    February 2011
    2,352 Posts
    What a wonderful thread

  24. Post #24
    are you kidding me

    mass-extermination, in my view, is never justified, no one person has right to say that another man no longer has the right to live or die, and it is a disgrace to every person alive that we still sentence people to death because of their actions. to me, sending a man to death row is when you truly leave the grounds of being human.

  25. Post #25
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    megafat's Avatar
    January 2005
    6,676 Posts
    It all depends on context. Mass extermination is wrong as show with Hitler trying to wipe out the Jewish and colored people. If they're incredibly sexist, racist and/or homophobic, it comes down to their opinions, in which case, the mass extermination shouldn't be considered.

    But if it get's to the point where those people are forcing those opinions against people and even going to the extent of attacking the people they hate, the option is still on the table. I'd consider it at least. For those people anyway.

    But you know the people at the top are always going to corrupt it and say that someone did something when they didn't just so they can get rid of that person/group.

  26. Post #26
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    Dennab
    January 2006
    5,457 Posts
    Mass murder is never justified.
    Portion of Humanity contracts a genetic defect that results in stillbirth 99.9% of the time. The gene is dominant and is always passed down. (Somewhat like the Genophage from Mass Effect)

    You are given the option to eliminate that portion before the rest of the gene pool is contaminated.


    Are you saying you wouldn't call survival of the species justifiable?

  27. Post #27
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    February 2006
    1,106 Posts
    Portion of Humanity contracts a genetic defect that results in stillbirth 99.9% of the time. The gene is dominant and is always passed down. (Somewhat like the Genophage from Mass Effect)

    You are given the option to eliminate that portion before the rest of the gene pool is contaminated.


    Are you saying you wouldn't call survival of the species justifiable?
    How would the gene get passed down if it results in stillbirth 99.9% of the time? Then practically all of their kids would be stillborn so the gene would go extinct after a couple of generations.

  28. Post #28
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    lil timmy's Avatar
    February 2006
    2,291 Posts
    kill everybody in the whole word

  29. Post #29
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    January 2008
    7,260 Posts
    How would the gene get passed down if it results in stillbirth 99.9% of the time? Then practically all of their kids would be stillborn so the gene would go extinct after a couple of generations.
    For the sake of the argument, don't get hung up on "it'll go extinct in a couple of generations"

  30. Post #30
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    ChaosUnleash's Avatar
    July 2007
    2,867 Posts
    There are times when I'll think 'People like that should be shot' but I don't think I'd ever be able to truly justify it. If you're willing to justify a mass murder of violent people then surely you fall into that category.

  31. Post #31
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    Venezuelan's Avatar
    September 2011
    12,366 Posts
    For the sake of the argument, don't get hung up on "it'll go extinct in a couple of generations"
    It's impossible to ignore, can't focus on the argument if it makes no sense

  32. Post #32
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    UnknownDude's Avatar
    December 2007
    4,074 Posts
    In my opinion, there are only four things that can justify the killing of any human being.
    - Defending your own life.
    - Defending someone else's life.
    - Voluntary euthanasia.
    - In very, very few cases, and only when it's really needed, non-voluntary euthanasia (patient is unable to consent, but the doctor decides it's best for the patient. Mercy killing, basically).

    Therefore, I believe mass murder is never justified in any way. I find it hypocritical that someone who calls themselves liberal would want to exterminate vocal far-rightists, and then still be against politicide.

  33. Post #33
    DesumThePanda's Avatar
    January 2010
    9,902 Posts
    Unless it truly threatens our existence as a species (which would likely NEVER happen) then no.

  34. Post #34
    LegndNikko's Avatar
    October 2009
    9,455 Posts
    Only when over population becomes a huge, major threat. Other than that, we're somewhat fine without any genocide.

  35. Post #35
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    March 2005
    20,528 Posts
    Only when over population becomes a huge, major threat. Other than that, we're somewhat fine without any genocide.
    Overpopulation is a self-regulating thing, it's not like we're going to reach a critical point then the entire fucking Earth explodes or some other dumb shit. If there's too many people and not enough food or other needed resource, the population growth will gradually turn to decline until an equilibrium is reached.

  36. Post #36
    Daemon's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,217 Posts
    Overpopulation is a self-regulating thing, it's not like we're going to reach a critical point then the entire fucking Earth explodes or some other dumb shit. If there's too many people and not enough food or other needed resource, the population growth will gradually turn to decline until an equilibrium is reached.
    Too much ambiguity in what situation you could be facing going over that equilibrium though. It would have to be some real depravity, pain to stop some of these people from giving birth i mean fuck. You have to laugh at the idea of people giving birth at the worst of times like the black plague or something because their compelling story for it is as if hancock just came out of their vagina.

  37. Post #37
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    March 2012
    5,325 Posts
    To me it sounds like the OP is trying to justify the killing of anyone who has a difference of opinion with him/her, which is very VERY intolerant and ignorant.

  38. Post #38
    Roukan's Avatar
    April 2011
    657 Posts
    - The violent. As in the Males (mostly) who like to get into punchups.
    Americans tried to purge this, more specifically criminals of any kind, through a Eugenics movement. The same thing that Germany believed in around the Holocaust. Nazis simplified it to anyone that's not white, to create a master race, while Americans wanted a crime free society, by sterilizing even common thieves.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma

  39. Post #39
    DesumThePanda's Avatar
    January 2010
    9,902 Posts
    To me it sounds like the OP is trying to justify the killing of anyone who has a difference of opinion with him/her, which is very VERY intolerant and ignorant.
    He hasn't even said anything. Stop jumping to stupid conclusions.

  40. Post #40
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    Dirf's Avatar
    May 2010
    5,951 Posts
    I sincerely hope the OP doesn't actually believe this sort of thing.

    Mass murder for differing opinions/ethnicity is disgusting and it's never justified. Even if they're the worst kind of people on the planet, you just can't justify all of their deaths.