1. Post #281
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    and? while these are certainly convincing opinions they aren't facts. you know what facts are right?

    there's literally no facts in this post it's just your opinion lol

    what defines "best" speech options? who defined them? why?
    Come on, are you really falling back on this trite post-modernist bullshit? "Like, dude, define definition, nothing even matters bro". The best speech options are the ones that are unlocked by a high Speech skill and allow you to access parts of the game you would otherwise not have been able to.

    So you point out 2 areas where the writing is bad and you say the entire game suddenly has bad writing? I'm not saying FO3 has godly writing, but it's pretty good and it holds up nicely 90% of the time.

    I could spend more time dredging up examples of substandard writing if you'd like.

    In my experience, someone claiming that their opinion is objective fact is either extremely arrogant or extremely ignorant, or in your case a mixture of the two apparently.
    In my experience, sophists are intellectual cowards and about one and a half step away from nihilism.
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    Come on, are you really falling back on this trite post-modernist bullshit? "Like, dude, define definition, nothing even matters bro". The best speech options are the ones that are unlocked by a high Speech skill and allow you to access parts of the game you would otherwise not have been able to.




    I could spend more time dredging up examples of substandard writing if you'd like.
    Fallout 3 is NOT meant to be realistic or super serious at all
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  3. Post #283
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    tbh I thought Fo3 was decently written
    New Vegas was one of the best written games I've seen in a long time

    and they're both fucking addicting

    and if Bethesda doesn't announce Fallout 4

    I will be so depressed
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    I could spend more time dredging up examples of substandard writing if you'd like.
    Dude, he's supposed to be a priest corrupted by radiation, who worships a fucking nuclear warhead.

    You think his lines should make sense?
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  5. Post #285
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    Come on, are you really falling back on this trite post-modernist bullshit? "Like, dude, define definition, nothing even matters bro". The best speech options are the ones that are unlocked by a high Speech skill and allow you to access parts of the game you would otherwise not have been able to.
    hahaha

    post modernist bullshit what are you talking about

    do you know what "facts" are i mean seriously this is grade school stuff, next time don't say "my opinions are FACT" when you clearly don't actually know what a fact is. i'm surprised you know how to use a computer at this point i mean wow
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  6. Post #286
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    In my experience, someone claiming that their opinion is objective fact is either extremely arrogant or extremely ignorant, or in your case a mixture of the two apparently.
    Unless you're Rusty, he's always right.
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  7. Post #287
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    I honestly had a good time with fallout 3. I didn't notice any of these glaring faults in it. You could make any game look bad if you nitpicked at it enough. In my opinion it was a good game. Trying to change someone's opinion is dumb.
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  8. Post #288
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    Come on, are you really falling back on this trite post-modernist bullshit? "Like, dude, define definition, nothing even matters bro". The best speech options are the ones that are unlocked by a high Speech skill and allow you to access parts of the game you would otherwise not have been able to.




    I could spend more time dredging up examples of substandard writing if you'd like.
    That is probably the best written character in the whole game, because all he does is spew bullshit he pulls out of his ass, like any good preacher.
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  9. Post #289
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    Seriously, this has gotten my hopes up for Fallout 4 so much.

    I really really really hope it is Fallout 4.
    If it is, I will be very happy.
    If its a Skyrim DLC, I will be somewhat happy.
    If its something else it better be damn good.
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  10. Post #290
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    I could spend more time dredging up examples of substandard writing if you'd like.
    And however many you found they would still only be bad in your opinion, which has nothing to do with fact.
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  11. Post #291
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    please let it be horse armor
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  12. Post #292
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    ???
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  13. Post #293
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    whether it's skyrim or fo4 related I'm happy, if it's rage I will personally fly a plane into bethesda's marketing department
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  14. Post #294
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    hahaha

    post modernist bullshit what are you talking about

    do you know what "facts" are i mean seriously this is grade school stuff, next time don't say "my opinions are FACT" when you clearly don't actually know what a fact is. i'm surprised you know how to use a computer at this point i mean wow
    Brilliant. You've already conceded earlier that the writing is shit, and now your argument is about me stating my opinions as fact. I'm surprised you don't know what postmodernism (no, I'm not being pretentious, it's the dominant "philosophy" of our time read a fucking book) is, I mean seriously, this is high school stuff.

    And just for good measure:
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    Brilliant. You've already conceded earlier that the writing is shit, and now your argument is about me stating my opinions as fact. I'm surprised you don't know what post modernism (no, I'm not being pretentious, it's the dominant "philosophy" of our time read a fucking book) is, I mean seriously, this is high school stuff.

    And just for good measure:
    uhh no i know what post modernism is i was telling you that you're stupid because you're backing away from your little "my opinions are fact" approach now that you see THEY AREN'T FACT

    i see nothing wrong in that picture what is wrong with it?

    Edited:

    why are you so upset and rude lmao
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    Brilliant. You've already conceded earlier that the writing is shit, and now your argument is about me stating my opinions as fact. I'm surprised you don't know what post modernism (no, I'm not being pretentious, it's the dominant "philosophy" of our time read a fucking book) is, I mean seriously, this is high school stuff.

    And just for good measure:
    it's not meant to be long either, it's meant to be simple

    and if you don't have the % speech level needed it always comes up dumb because you'd sound dumb in reality trying to say it without that level of speech

  17. Post #297
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    Brilliant. You've already conceded earlier that the writing is shit, and now your argument is about me stating my opinions as fact. I'm surprised you don't know what postmodernism (no, I'm not being pretentious, it's the dominant "philosophy" of our time read a fucking book) is, I mean seriously, this is high school stuff.
    Says the guy who doesn't know what a fact is.
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  18. Post #298
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    Its most likely another game or DLC(Skyrim). But if it is Fallout 4, then that would be awesome.

  19. Post #299
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    I feel you bastards have gotten me so riled up that if it`s anything BUT Fallout 4 I`ll probably explode in depression

  20. Post #300
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    i see nothing wrong in that picture what is wrong with it?
    You don't see anything wrong with it or any of the previous examples because you have shitty literary taste. You're base, vulgar, willing to resort to sophistry and you got the attention span of a fucking hamster, which is why you ask me why I'm being rude in the same breath as you type away "I'm surprised you know how to use a computer".

    Says the guy who doesn't know what a fact is.
    I know what a fact is, and I was using a rhetorical device to bait you into actually providing an argument about how the writing of Fallout 3 is good, ofcourse I did not anticipate you'd go junior high debate team and pull out the old critical theory.
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    You don't see anything wrong with it or any of the previous examples because you have shitty literary taste. You're base, vulgar, willing to resort to sophistry and you got the attention span of a fucking hamster, which is why you ask me why I'm being rude in the same breath as you type away "I'm surprised you know how to use a computer".
    could you just explain why you think the writing is bad instead of giving me this long winded baby's-first-argument bullshit

    what makes this bad:

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    Brilliant. You've already conceded earlier that the writing is shit, and now your argument is about me stating my opinions as fact. I'm surprised you don't know what postmodernism (no, I'm not being pretentious, it's the dominant "philosophy" of our time read a fucking book) is, I mean seriously, this is high school stuff.

    And just for good measure:

    I'm just going to say you have no idea what post modernism is as a philospophy or as an art.

    I'm also just going to say, you think you're objectively right. That's so funny it literally hurt my side making me laugh. God damn it's funny when someone thinks they have no flaw of perception...

    Edited:

    You don't see anything wrong with it or any of the previous examples because you have shitty literary taste. You're base, vulgar, willing to resort to sophistry and you got the attention span of a fucking hamster, which is why you ask me why I'm being rude in the same breath as you type away "I'm surprised you know how to use a computer".




    I know what a fact is, and I was using a rhetorical device to bait you into actually providing an argument about how the writing of Fallout 3 is good, ofcourse I did not anticipate you'd go junior high debate team and pull out the old critical theory.
    You're funny
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  23. Post #303
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    Possibly late

    Pete Hines Twitter posted:
    @GameStopCentral you know, we do make other games besides Skyrim. :)
    Though maybe he's just fucking with people
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  24. Post #304

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    I came here hoping for something Doom 4 related. Fallout 4 would be cool, too, and Skyrim stuff is also somewhat cool, I guess.

  25. Post #305
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    Could also simply be light on the left side of his collar(could be any collared article of clothing) and the other side is just further away and in the shadows..

    What i'm saying is just because it's slightly yellow does not mean it's a gold trimmed collar.

    But in the end we could all be wrong, just wait and stop trying to be right
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  26. Post #306
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    I know what a fact is, and I was using a rhetorical device to bait you into actually providing an argument about how the writing of Fallout 3 is good, ofcourse I did not anticipate you'd go junior high debate team and pull out the old critical theory.
    So, you planned to lure us into arguing about the writing by saying something completely idiotic that was bound to derail the thread? Yeah, sounds like you were trying to do the opposite to me.
    And by the way, I don't actually like the writing in Fallout 3, but I have the capacity to understand that not everyone shares my opinion.
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  27. Post #307
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    could you just explain why you think the writing is bad instead of giving me this long winded baby's-first-argument bullshit

    what makes this bad:

    It's a speech option that is supposed to highlight the characters charisma and ability to persuade. It looks like something a Hollywood movie sidekick would say, only to be immediately shot down by the more morally sound protagonist.

    I'm just going to say you have no idea what post modernism is as a philospophy or as an art.
    You know what is even more funny? When people refer to postmodernism as a philosophy or an art, when it is neither. Postmodernism is a set of beliefs defined by their opposition to modernism. Which really calls into question your own supposed knowledge.
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    How did this become a discussion about Fallout 3's dialogue, it wasn't that bad
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  29. Post #309
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    Boy that guy on the right looks a lot like butch.

    Fuck off skyrim, Ive been waiting for Fallout 4 Since I finished The DLC's.
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    You don't see anything wrong with it or any of the previous examples because you have shitty literary taste. You're base, vulgar, willing to resort to sophistry and you got the attention span of a fucking hamster, which is why you ask me why I'm being rude in the same breath as you type away "I'm surprised you know how to use a computer".
    Well aren't you a nice guy.

    I enjoyed both Fallout 3 and NV's stories, and both have faults and shortcomings in the story, but if you start nitpicking like that you partially have yourself to blame.
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    It's a speech option that is supposed to highlight the characters charisma and ability to persuade. It looks like something a Hollywood movie sidekick would say, only to be immediately shot down by the more morally sound protagonist.
    what? where are you getting this? to me it looks like a character with a high speech skill being able to convince another character to leave somebody behind, what is the issue apart from the imaginary scenario you've created in your head to make this look like a problem?
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    It's Brink 2.
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  33. Post #313
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    if its fallout, its prolly going to be like fallout 2. he looks alot like the people from the village in fo2, no shirt, long hair.
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    It's a speech option that is supposed to highlight the characters charisma and ability to persuade. It looks like something a Hollywood movie sidekick would say, only to be immediately shot down by the more morally sound protagonist.



    You know what is even more funny? When people refer to postmodernism as a philosophy or an art, when it is neither. Postmodernism is a set of beliefs defined by their opposition to modernism. Which really calls into question your own supposed knowledge.
    Anything is definable by comparing it to what it's not, so what you just said is worthless. It is in fact an art style, an architectural style, and a philosophy mindset, please prove me wrong saying something besides "It is what it's not!"

    Oh well, even if I'm wrong in this argument, at least I don't ever say "I'm objectively right" in my life.
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    it's not meant to be long either, it's meant to be simple

    and if you don't have the % speech level needed it always comes up dumb because you'd sound dumb in reality trying to say it without that level of speech
    IMO the speech system should do a percentile effect if you are under the speech requirement, and then it should roll you based on how close you are to the requirement.

    If you fail the speech check you should say something far "dumber" than what was displayed on the screen.. sort of a like a "it sounded better in my head" sort of situation.


    [Speech 40/60 - 63% chance] "Elegantly worded sentence"

    *click*

    [Speech Attempt Failed] "Hilarious Verbal Diarrhea"
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  36. Post #316
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    what? where are you getting this? to me it looks like a character with a high speech skill being able to convince another character to leave somebody behind, what is the issue apart from the imaginary scenario you've created in your head to make this look like a problem?
    Really? The player character is trying to convince a highly articulate and intelligent woman in a position of authority to abandon a friend and colleague because he might slow them down and that is all he/she has to say? He (I'll refer to the player character as a he for simplicity) starts off with a maybe and then frames his suggestion as an opinion. He doesn't bring to mind the consequences of capture. It's a shitty attempt at persuasion.

    Anything is definable by comparing it to what it's not, so what you just said is worthless. It is in fact an art style, an architectural style, and a philosophy mindset, please prove me wrong saying something besides "It is what it's not!"
    Get over yourself, it's a fucking unholy mix between a Platonic throwback and the stubborn refusal to accept anything as real.

    Oh well, even if I'm wrong in this argument, at least I don't ever say "I'm objectively right" in my life.
    Some would put forward the argument that that just makes you a punk ass bitch. I wouldn't, but some would.
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    IMO the speech system should do a percentile effect if you are under the speech requirement, and then it should roll you based on how close you are to the requirement.

    If you fail the speech check you should say something far "dumber" than what was displayed on the screen.. sort of a like a "it sounded better in my head" sort of situation.


    [Speech 40/60 - 60% chance] "Elegantly worded sentence"

    *click*

    [Speech Attempt Failed] "Hilarious Verbal Diarrhea"
    pretty much sounds like what it is now anyways


    Really? The player character is trying to convince a highly articulate and intelligent woman in a position of authority to abandon a friend and colleague because he might slow them down and that is all he/she has to say? He (I'll refer to the player character as a he for simplicity) starts off with a maybe and then frames his suggestion as an opinion. He doesn't bring to mind the consequences of capture. It's a shitty attempt at persuasion.
    yep because 100% of the dialog has to be perfect and make complete sense and be completely serious in a game that isn't serious about everything and very cartoony

    seriously what the fuck? Plus it's meant to be simplified so anyone can understand it, no ones going to write tons and tons of lines that are extremely coherent and artistic. I'm sorry but, what you're saying is just retarded and far fetched.

    Not only that, but it needs 100% speech, if you don't have 100% speech / the required speech, it'll sound dumb.

    The fact that you have so many choices with speech and that's rare is something that'll mean it'll most likely not be very complex or purely logical choices
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    Really? The player character is trying to convince a highly articulate and intelligent woman in a position of authority to abandon a friend and colleague because he might slow them down and that is all he/she has to say? He (I'll refer to the player character as a he for simplicity) starts off with a maybe and then frames his suggestion as an opinion. He doesn't bring to mind the consequences of capture. It's a shitty attempt at persuasion.
    Yes, it's bad writing. It's not horrible, it's not objectively bad, it's boring and bland and unbelievable to a lot of people, but it's also in the cheesy vein of things in the fallout world, completely unbelievable and ridiculous, but it happens anyways.
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    Really? The player character is trying to convince a highly articulate and intelligent woman in a position of authority to abandon a friend and colleague because he might slow them down and that is all he/she has to say? He (I'll refer to the player character as a he for simplicity) starts off with a maybe and then frames his suggestion as an opinion. He doesn't bring to mind the consequences of capture. It's a shitty attempt at persuasion.
    i had always assumed that the dialogue choices were only for the player's understanding and that it is assumed that the character engages in a more verbose dialogue with the other character once you've made your choice. the dialogue options are simplified so the player knows what his character is representing and so that screenspace is adequately used. i don't think it was ever intended that your character says the exact words on the screen.
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    i had always assumed that the dialogue choices were only for the player's understanding and that it is assumed that the character engages in a more verbose dialogue with the other character once you've made your choice. the dialogue options are simplified so the player knows what his character is representing and so that screenspace is adequately used. i don't think it was ever intended that your character says the exact words on the screen.
    Where would anyone get the idea that those summaries were meant to be the actual dialogue?

    That's fucking ridiculous.
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