1. Post #41
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    This is a common mirror trick called Pepper's Ghost, it has been used for over a hundred years and has nothing to do with CGI, this is just a very very clever implementation of it. If you jump to around 4:10 you can see that the angles go a bit weird as he turns on the stage.

    This picture illustrates very well just how it works. Watching the video is pretty amazing though, especially at the end when he turns into smoke. Sadly this is nothing like a hologram, you cant get close or study it, you are simple seeing light reflected on a mirror from a hidden room.

    They did this once in a Scooby Doo episode.
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  2. Post #42
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    This is a common mirror trick called Pepper's Ghost, it has been used for over a hundred years and has nothing to do with CGI, this is just a very very clever implementation of it. If you jump to around 4:10 you can see that the angles go a bit weird as he turns on the stage.

    This picture illustrates very well just how it works. Watching the video is pretty amazing though, especially at the end when he turns into smoke. Sadly this is nothing like a hologram, you cant get close or study it, you are simple seeing light reflected on a mirror from a hidden room.

    So its sort of like how the HUD mode works on the OBD-II app for my phone (reads data from engine computer, displays it on phone in real-time). You put the phone on your dash-board and the screen reflects off the glass on the windshield.
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  3. Post #43
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    This is a common mirror trick called Pepper's Ghost, it has been used for over a hundred years and has nothing to do with CGI, this is just a very very clever implementation of it. If you jump to around 4:10 you can see that the angles go a bit weird as he turns on the stage.

    This picture illustrates very well just how it works. Watching the video is pretty amazing though, especially at the end when he turns into smoke. Sadly this is nothing like a hologram, you cant get close or study it, you are simple seeing light reflected on a mirror from a hidden room.

    With a constelation like this you would see the figure from up-top.

  4. Post #44
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    With a constelation like this you would see the figure from up-top.
    Its just the easiest picture I could find which demonstrates the basic idea with nothing to read, obviously there are a fair few ways you can set it up.

    Also its likely that the picture isnt created with accurate proportions, you could make it visible like that if you had enough room down there, its probably just the way the picture was made.
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  5. Post #45
    This technology has been here for a while (like this guy shows ^). People are just shitting themselves because of some generic rapper.
    Tupac and SD definitly aren't generic

    but Tupac's just another rapper in a sea of many more
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  6. Post #46
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    This would be awesome with other dead musicians and maybe even historical figures.

  7. Post #47
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    The second coming of Tupac. I knew it would arrive some day.
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  8. Post #48
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    This is the same thing they did with the Miku Hatsune concerts in Japan. It's not new, but this is the first time this sort of tech has been used this way.

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  9. Post #49
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    Emergency Rapping Hologram

    For when living rappers are unavailable.
    "Please state the nature of the gangsta emergency."
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  10. Post #50
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    This technology has been here for a while (like this guy shows ^). People are just shitting themselves because of some generic rapper.
    Dude just because you don't feel anything for his music, doesn't mean people shouldn't care for it. This gives me the creeps yet is amazing to see.

  11. Post #51
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    Wikipedia Article on 2Pac posted:
    Shakur's body was cremated and some of his ashes were later mixed with marijuana and smoked by members of the Outlawz.
    I've gotta say, I want my friends to do this when I die.
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  12. Post #52
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    Damn, they should have reconstructed him purely from ionized air. Who wouldn't want to see a Tupac-shaped ball of shining blue plasma rapping?

  13. Post #53
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    This is the same thing they did with the Miku Hatsune concerts in Japan. It's not new, but this is the first time this sort of tech has been used this way.

    Yeah. I think it is pretty amazing the illusion it gives. To be honest though I think the Tupac one looks way way more realistic probably because of the lighting/angles, at 0:36 on that one you can see the large sheet on of the stage, as well as the reflections because of all of the glowsticks.
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  14. Post #54
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    To be honest though I think the Tupac one looks way way more realistic probably because of the lighting/angles, at 0:36 on that one you can see the large sheet on of the stage, as well as the reflections because of all of the glowsticks.
    and also you know, the fact that Tupac looks like a human and not some weird proportioned plastic doll.
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  15. Post #55
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    This technology has been here for a while (like this guy shows ^). People are just shitting themselves because of some generic rapper.
    Yes, one of the most prominent rappers of the 1920's gangster rap era is incredibly generic and easily forgettable.
    I don't even like rap but even i can appreciate Tupac.

    EDIT:
    20's is the new 90's guys.
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  16. Post #56
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    Yes, one of the most prominent rappers of the 1920's gangster rap era is incredibly generic and easily forgettable.
    I don't even like rap but even i can appreciate Tupac.
    1920s wtf
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  17. Post #57
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    tupac lives

  18. Post #58
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    I love the dystopian future

    Everything's fake, but in such a fucking cool way I don't even care

  19. Post #59
    The Union Jack would look a shit ton better with a Hammer and Sickle in the middle of it
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    1920s wtf


    niggas with attitude? hah hah, yeah right!
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  20. Post #60
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    This technology has been here for a while (like this guy shows ^). People are just shitting themselves because of some generic rapper.
    Don't talk about things you know nothing of.

    Seriously.

    Why are you even in this thread?
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  21. Post #61
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    Dude just because you don't feel anything for his music, doesn't mean people shouldn't care for it. This gives me the creeps yet is amazing to see.
    I am not saying hes bad, I am just pointing out that I think his music is generic and people go "woah, amazung!!!!!2!11one" over the technology just because hes a popular rapper.

    Edited:

    Why are you even in this thread?
    Because holograms.
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  22. Post #62
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    I am not saying hes bad, I am just pointing out that I think his music is generic and people go "woah, amazung!!!!!2!11one" just because hes a popular rapper.


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  23. Post #63
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    Dude, same could be said about you for shitting over me. I am just saying I find him generic.
    I have in no way or form said that he is shit, nobody should listen to him or anything in that matter.
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  24. Post #64
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    I am not saying hes bad, I am just pointing out that I think his music is generic and people go "woah, amazung!!!!!2!11one" just because hes a popular rapper.
    Except he isn't generic at all and if you think that it's because you're either totally uninformed or because he was so fucking great that he's influenced hundreds upon hundreds of other rappers since the 90s all through to now, so his sound isn't as unique or whatever as it was back when he was actually releasing albums since other people have been doing his thing after he died and still are doing it.

    Being the original doesn't make you generic
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  25. Post #65
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    Except he isn't generic at all and if you think that it's because you're either totally uninformed or because he was so fucking great that he's influenced hundreds upon hundreds of other rappers since the 90s all through to now, so his sound isn't as unique or whatever as it was back when he was actually releasing albums since other people have been doing his thing after he died and still are doing it.

    Being the original doesn't make you generic
    I guess its that then, I have never really cared for rapping and this guy is no different in my eyes. But I am not trying to offend anybody here. People like different things.

  26. Post #66
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    Celebrity Holograms huh? Just in time, I just finished playing Dead Money.

  27. Post #67
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    1920s wtf
    Tupac was a time traveller. Duh.
    (lol whoops, never noticed i typed 20)

  28. Post #68
    Dennab
    March 2009
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    This is fucking great! I'd love to see more of him

  29. Post #69
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    tupac is still alive, stuck between realities...

  30. Post #70
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    Tupac was a time traveller. Duh.
    (lol whoops, never noticed i typed 20)
    tupac never died, he's just traveling through time

  31. Post #71
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    tupac never died, he's just traveling through time
    Hes the 12th Doctor.
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  32. Post #72
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    It'll be fucking insane when we're able to get more-or-less perfect 3D representations of people (sort of like clones) in their prime years.

    Hello Elvis!

    Hello The Beatles!

    Hello Michael Jackson!
    Hello Freddie Mercury!
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  33. Post #73
    All video and interesting gimmick aside, what's up with people wearing their underwear way over their pants? The guy even has a belt on, fucks' sake.

  34. Post #74
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    Damn. They need a Biggie, Pac, ODB, Pun, Big L, and Guru super holographic group performance. My head would fucking explode
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  35. Post #75
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    It's really cool, and I don't mean to be a dick, but of all the musicians that they could have debuted this technology with they went with a rapper? I'm not saying Tupac had no influence, because he definitely did, but I don't know, it just feels like this would have had more wow-factor if it was someone else.
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  36. Post #76
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    This technology has been here for a while (like this guy shows ^). People are just shitting themselves because of some generic rapper.
    Let's just slow down there

  37. Post #77
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    This should of been used instead of the Tupac hologram

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  38. Post #78
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    While I appreciate the technical wizardry and honest intentions of this... I think it's important to remember you're not watching Tupac. You're watching somebody's fake interpretation of him. The performance you're seeing on stage was probably motion captured from an entirely unrelated person, Digital Domain (the VFX house behind the CG hologram) won't even admit as to how much of the audio/voice is actually from Tupac himself. For all we know it could be an impersonator.

    Personally, I feel this cheapens his memory. I can understand why others would feel the opposite though.

    That said (bit of self contradiction going on here...) this is hardly any less live and "real" than the lip-synced or auto-tuned "live" performances which are so common place these days. Half the time when ou go to see an artist live you end up watching them on a screen anyway.

    I guess I don't know what to think. I think real live music is about the connection between the artist and an audience, and I hope that never gets lost. Part of me worries it already is.
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  39. Post #79
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    jim morrison pls
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  40. Post #80
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    February 2009
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    That's not a hologram, snoop dog is a negromancer.
    fix'd
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