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    February 2009
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    (CNN) -- The European Court of Human Rights ruled against five terror suspects Tuesday, saying that they can be extradited to America despite their claims that they will be poorly treated.

    The court ruled that the suspects would not get "ill treatment" in super-maximum security prisons if they are extradited to the United States and convicted in American courts, according to a statement from the European court.

    The court still needs to make a decision on one other suspect connected to the case.

    The ruling adds another chapter to the long-running legal battle that started when the six suspects were indicted by the United States between 1999 and 2006. The suspects were all arrested in the United Kingdom and have been fighting extradition to the United States for years.

    Several of the suspects were alleged to have links to the late Osama bin Laden, the European Court of Human Rights said.

    One of the suspects, Mustafa Kamal Mustafa, who also is known as Abu Hamza, is wanted by the United States on 11 charges, including conspiracy in connection with a 1998 kidnapping in Yemen and conspiring with others to establish an Islamic jihad training camp in rural Oregon in 1999.

    British Home Secretary Theresa May applauded the court ruling.

    "I welcome the decision of the European Court of Human Rights to allow the extradition of Abu Hamza and other terror suspects," May said.

    "In five of the six cases, the Court found that extradition would not breach their human rights and in the remaining case, it asked for further information before taking a final decision. We will work to ensure that the suspects are handed over to the U.S. authorities as quickly as possible."

    Another of the suspects, Babar Ahmad, is accused of providing material support to terrorists, conspiracy and money laundering. If convicted, he could face a life prison sentence.

    The indictment against Ahmad accuses him of conspiring to provide support to terrorists, including helping to ship gas masks to the Taliban and using U.S.-based websites to raise money for Chechen leader Shamil Basayev.

    Basayev claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school massacre in Russia. He was killed two years later by Russian agents.

    Ahmad's family said it was "disappointed" in the decision and called for him to face trial in the United Kingdom.

    "Babar has already been imprisoned without a trial for almost eight years, something he described in his recent interview to BBC as 'the most unimaginable type of psychological torture,'" a family statement said.

    "Babar is a British citizen accused of a crime said to have been committed in the U.K. and all the evidence against him was gathered in this country. Nevertheless, British justice appears to have been subcontracted to the U.S."

    The other suspects were identified as Haroon Rashid Aswat, Syed Tahla Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled Al-Fawwaz.

    The court delayed a decision in Aswat's case while further information is provided regarding mental health issues.
    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
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    March 2009
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    Stop extraditing to the US for fuck sake, it's just not right, America isn't the capital of the world or the most morally correct one. Labelling somebody a terrorist is something close to a death sentence in that country, it needs to be done somewhere neutral with unbiased people, but then - that's near impossible to do - right?
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    Splendor's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Well, this is excellent news, let the yanks deal with their bullshit.

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    Oh sure, Mr. President! let me just bend over backwards here and *ZIIIIP*
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    The court ruled that the suspects would not get "ill treatment" in super-maximum security prisons if they are extradited to the United States and convicted in American courts, according to a statement from the European court.
    Yeah wow ok

    Bradley Manning, an american citizen, has essentially been tortured despite not even being convicted of a crime, and they expect five middle easteners to be treated humanely? Even the U.N torture investigator has said something fishy is definitely going on in Manning's case. The US isn't a safe nation to extradict prisoners to.
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  6. Post #6
    Splendor's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Oh sure, Mr. President! let me just bend over backwards here and *ZIIIIP*
    I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, extraditing foreign nationals who also happen to be Islamic terrorists to people more interested in prosecuting and hopefully even executing them is taking it up the ass? If anything, we're offloading the shit on them.
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    Stop extraditing to the US for fuck sake, it's just not right, America isn't the capital of the world or the most morally correct one. Labelling somebody a terrorist is something close to a death sentence in that country, it needs to be done somewhere neutral with unbiased people, but then - that's near impossible to do - right?
    The ruling adds another chapter to the long-running legal battle that started when the six suspects were indicted by the United States between 1999 and 2006. The suspects were all arrested in the United Kingdom and have been fighting extradition to the United States for years.
    Yeah fuck extraditions it's not like the US wasn't after these people in the first place.
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    Yeah wow ok

    Bradley Manning, an american citizen, has essentially been tortured despite not even being convicted of a crime, and they expect five middle easteners to be treated humanely? Even the U.N torture investigator has said something fishy is definitely going on in Manning's case. The US isn't a safe nation to extradict prisoners to.
    Yeah the US is like an extradition black hole.
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    I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, extraditing foreign nationals who also happen to be Islamic terrorists to people more interested in prosecuting and hopefully even executing them is taking it up the ass? If anything, we're offloading the shit on them.
    are you genuinely shitting me

    the death penalty is needless and barbaric, and causes more problems than it solves.
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    December 2010
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    are you genuinely shitting me

    the death penalty is needless and barbaric, and causes more problems than it solves.
    Big fucking whoop, you want to fight about it? Besides, you still haven't explained how offloading these medieval minded (and not to mention foreign) assholes to the US is a bad thing.
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    One of the suspects, Mustafa Kamal Mustafa, who also is known as Abu Hamza, is wanted by the United States on 11 charges, including conspiracy in connection with a 1998 kidnapping in Yemen and conspiring with others to establish an Islamic jihad training camp in rural Oregon in 1999.
    Yes, extraditing them to the US makes no sense, not like it has any reason.

    Edited:

    Big fucking whoop, you want to fight about it? Besides, you still haven't explained how offloading these medieval minded (and not to mention foreign) assholes to the US is a bad thing.
    Ohmygosh, they're foreign, kill them!
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    Big fucking whoop, you want to fight about it? Besides, you still haven't explained how offloading these medieval minded (and not to mention foreign) assholes to the US is a bad thing.
    Suffering Succatash!! I didn't realize they were foreign! Shoot them on the spot!!
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    Splendor's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Ohmygosh, they're foreign, kill them!
    Don't be niggardly, you know exactly what my point is. They're not our citizens, they're not our problem. We have no obligation to save these shitbirds.

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    If only everyone thought like Splendor, the world could be a better place.
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    I thought there are laws throughout the EU that prevent member states from extraditing suspects to countries where they risk capital punishment. Oh, wait, it's our old friend, Uncle Sam, disregard that.
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    Yeah fuck extraditions it's not like the US wasn't after these people in the first place.
    But have they committed a crime in the US? Just because a US court has ordered their arrest doesn't mean it should be carried out.

    Edited:

    I thought there are laws throughout the EU that prevent member states from extraditing suspects to countries where they risk capital punishment. Oh, wait, it's our old friend, Uncle Sam, disregard that.
    Pretty sure they just stopped an extradition of someone to Jordan for a reason like that.
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    If you actually read the articles,

    Most of these guys have charges within the US itself.

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    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    If you actually read the articles,

    Most of these guys have charges within the US itself.
    Yes but they have not committed a crime on US soil. Using this logic you could be extradited to any country in the world if you decided to break the law in that country, if you hadn't broken the law in your own country.
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    April 2010
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    Don't be niggardly, you know exactly what my point is. They're not our citizens, they're not our problem. We have no obligation to save these shitbirds.
    Don't be niggardly...What does that mean? :I

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    Don't be niggardly...What does that mean? :I
    Something incredibly racist.
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    Big fucking whoop, you want to fight about it? Besides, you still haven't explained how offloading these medieval minded (and not to mention foreign) assholes to the US is a bad thing.
    Yeeees, medival minded.

    hopefully even executing them
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    Splendor's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Some would argue that you responded niggardly to my post, by electing to only address my statement that the aforementioned individuals are not "EU nationals".

    And I was making fun of GeneralFredrik's implication that niggardly was somehow connected to the racial epithet "nigger", a common misconception.

    EDIT: In response to Mac, I still haven't seen a single argument about how it's supposedly a bad thing for us to extradite them to the US.