1. Post #1
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    [release]
    A historic meeting of Latin America's leaders, to be attended by Barack Obama, will hear serving heads of state admit that the war on drugs has been a failure and that alternatives to prohibition must now be found.

    The Summit of the Americas, to be held in Cartagena, Colombia is being seen by foreign policy experts as a watershed moment in the redrafting of global drugs policy in favour of a more nuanced and liberalised approach.

    Otto Pérez Molina, the president of Guatemala, who as former head of his country's military intelligence service experienced the power of drug cartels at close hand, is pushing his fellow Latin American leaders to use the summit to endorse a new regional security plan that would see an end to prohibition. In the Observer, Pérez Molina writes: "The prohibition paradigm that inspires mainstream global drug policy today is based on a false premise: that global drug markets can be eradicated."

    Pérez Molina concedes that moving beyond prohibition is problematic. "To suggest liberalisation – allowing consumption, production and trafficking of drugs without any restriction whatsoever – would be, in my opinion, profoundly irresponsible. Even more, it is an absurd proposition. If we accept regulations for alcoholic drinks and tobacco consumption and production, why should we allow drugs to be consumed and produced without any restrictions?"

    He insists, however, that prohibition has failed and an alternative system must be found. "Our proposal as the Guatemalan government is to abandon any ideological consideration regarding drug policy (whether prohibition or liberalisation) and to foster a global intergovernmental dialogue based on a realistic approach to drug regulation. Drug consumption, production and trafficking should be subject to global regulations, which means that drug consumption and production should be legalised, but within certain limits and conditions."

    The decision by Pérez Molina to speak out is seen as highly significant and not without political risk. Polls suggest the vast majority of Guatemalans oppose decriminalisation, but Pérez Molina's comments are seen by many as helping to usher in a new era of debate. They will be studied closely by foreign policy experts who detect that Latin American leaders are shifting their stance on prohibition following decades of drugs wars that have left hundreds of thousands dead.

    Mexico's president, Felipe Calderón, has called for a national debate on the issue. Last year Juan Manuel Santos, Colombia's president, told the Observer that if legalising drugs curtailed the power of organised criminal gangs who had thrived during prohibition, "and the world thinks that's the solution, I will welcome it".

    One diplomat closely involved with the summit described the event as historic, saying it would be the first time for 40 years that leaders had met to have an open discussion on drugs. "This is the chance to look at this matter with new eyes," he said.

    Latin America's increasing hostility towards prohibition makes Obama's attendance at the summit potentially difficult. The Obama administration, keen not to hand ammunition to its opponents during an election year, will not want to be seen as softening its support for prohibition. However, it is seen as significant that the US vice-president, Joe Biden, has acknowledged that the debate about legalising drugs is now legitimate.

    Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former president of Brazil and chairman of the global commission on drug policy, has said it is time for "an open debate on more humane and efficient drug policies", a view shared by George Shultz, the former US secretary of state, and former president Jimmy Carter.[/release]

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...erican-leaders

    While I highly doubt anything will happen this year considering the elections but its a good sign toward the end of this wasteful war.
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    No shit
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    Maybe we can get a true American that will put those darned pot Jockies and greasers where they belong!
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    While I highly doubt anything will happen this year considering the elections but its a good sign toward the end of this wasteful war.
    I doubt this will change anything on the US's side of the war.

    If anything, it'll give us even MORE to do because the other half isn't trying as hard anymore.

    And I can see the GOP headlines now if Obama ends the war on drugs "Black man legalizes dope!"
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    I spent 10$ and all i got was this lousy title.
    gazzy_GUI's Avatar
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    Well, this was pretty obvious.

  6. Post #6
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    Well no fucking shit. Just need our government to accept the fact now and we'll be all set.
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  7. Post #7
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    Legalize weed and everyone is happier and there will be less stress for both sides, the people who smoke weed will not have to worry about being caught, and the people trying to catch them won't have to deal with it.
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    Legalize weed and everyone is happier and there will be less stress for both sides, the people who smoke weed will not have to worry about being caught, and the people trying to catch them won't have to deal with it.
    But not EVERYONE will be happy. What about the for-profit prisons?
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    But not EVERYONE will be happy. What about the for-profit prisons?
    Why do we even have those, they should be government ran.
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    Legalizing something like weed would make it safer for the consumer.

    (Not consumer as in to eat dipshits)
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    ITT: Legalize weed; all other drugs are unimportant

    This is a bummer really. Certain drugs should just stay banned, but its gotten to the point where prohibitions are useless and actually increase problems. Hopefully if a compromise gets out, drug violence will settle down a little.
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    And nothing will change.
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    ITT: Legalize weed; all other drugs are unimportant

    This is a bummer really. Certain drugs should just stay banned, but its gotten to the point where prohibitions are useless and actually increase problems. Hopefully if a compromise gets out, drug violence will settle down a little.
    But drug cartels would still exist for drugs such as meth and cocaine.

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    But drug cartels would still exist for drugs such as meth and cocaine.
    He was being sarcastic.

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    He was being sarcastic.
    Right, good point. 5 am posting ain't the best idea.
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    There's no reason to make weed illegal. Driving while stoned, MAYBE, but weed itself is fine.

    Everything else just needs a change in policy. Maybe if we make consuming it at home legal, but selling and distributing it equivalent to being a serial killer, we'll get rid of all the dealers and greatly decrease the amount that's actually consumed.
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    There's no reason to make weed illegal. Driving while stoned, MAYBE, but weed itself is fine.

    Everything else just needs a change in policy. Maybe if we make consuming it at home legal, but selling and distributing it equivalent to being a serial killer, we'll get rid of all the dealers and greatly decrease the amount that's actually consumed.
    That's effectively what we have in the UK and it doesn't work.
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    ITT: Legalize weed; all other drugs are unimportant

    This is a bummer really. Certain drugs should just stay banned, but its gotten to the point where prohibitions are useless and actually increase problems. Hopefully if a compromise gets out, drug violence will settle down a little.
    In their current forms, yes, hard drugs should stay illegal.

    I've heard however that the Inca used cocaine in its natural state with little ill effect.

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    In their current forms, yes, hard drugs should stay illegal.

    I've heard however that the Inca used cocaine in its natural state with little ill effect.
    Coke leaf tea is delicious.
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    Hopefully now it will be realized some drugs such as weed and DMT can be legalized, as they are the safest substances on the planet with zero recorded deaths. All others should be legal but severely restricted to a very small amount for personal consumption. People could only buy hard drugs once a month and purchases would be recorded.

  21. Post #21
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    Legalize weed and everyone is happier and there will be less stress for both sides, the people who smoke weed will not have to worry about being caught, and the people trying to catch them won't have to deal with it.
    Except in Columbia they sell cocaine. Like real men.

    Mexico and Columbia are hotspots for major drugs. As in not this petty "marijuana" you speak of. These guys use pot as candles. Or maybe napkins at the dinner table.
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    Except in Columbia they sell cocaine. Like real men.

    Mexico and Columbia are hotspots for major drugs. As in not this petty "marijuana" you speak of. These guys use pot as candles. Or maybe napkins at the dinner table.
    Mexico and Colombia are producers, not consumers. almost all of the drugs that are produced in these countries is sent to consumer countries like the US, Canada and most of Europe.

  23. Post #23
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    Honestly if you're against legalization you've got something wrong with your views.
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    it shocks me that anyone could still think prohibition is a solution
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    In their current forms, yes, hard drugs should stay illegal.

    I've heard however that the Inca used cocaine in its natural state with little ill effect.
    Plenty of people can use cocaine with no ill effect, you just hear about all the people who can't.

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    In latinamerica, legalization is far far away. Because no president wants to take the burden of doing it and the next one in office under the "morals" bullshit speech will probably instate prohibition again.
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    as someone who's legimitately informed as far as cannabis legalization i'm going to set the record straight.

    There are a couple problems with legalizing, namely the criminal relations to it. Legalization would basically destroy the illegal cannabis trade, which wouldn't exactly bode well with the illegal side of cannabis, i.e. dealers/growers/etc. If we legalized it, regulated it, and taxed it, it would be a massive financial gain. Not to mention how furious the cartels would be. However, in regards to the actual war on drugs, it has absolutely failed. In prohibiting the substances, the price and demand for them increase. It becomes harder and harder to smuggle drugs as time goes on and tactics are discovered, thus hiking the price up substantially. Not to dismiss the violence and crime associated with the illegal drug trades.

  28. Post #28
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    Yo man im gonna have to ask for a source that confiscated cannabis from mexico is used for hemp based products.

  29. Post #29
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    It would be better if drugs were mostly legal, but still I think people shouldn't pump themselves with serious drugs for fun when they know nothing about them, besides from the effects like hallucinations and sky-high dopamine levels.
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    Who is government to take away my right to do drugs on peace?

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    You'd have to be on drugs to not notice the war on drugs was a fail
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    Legalize weed and everyone is happier and there will be less stress for both sides, the people who smoke weed will not have to worry about being caught, and the people trying to catch them won't have to deal with it.
    yes because weed is the big problem in latin america

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    Yo man im gonna have to ask for a source that confiscated cannabis from mexico is used for hemp based products.
    sure, I'll see if I can dig it up, give me a minute. I'm not talking out of my ass but a source would be much more convincing

    Fuck. It was in an article posted on Grasscity a couple months ago, I can't find it. Edited my post to remove that point.

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    In latinamerica, legalization is far far away. Because no president wants to take the burden of doing it and the next one in office under the "morals" bullshit speech will probably instate prohibition again.
    No one, particularly in Mexico wants to back down to the cartels because these are the people who literally demonise the entire country on a day to day basis. Can you imagine losing a family member and then seeing your head of state bowing to the cartel's point of view (even if it's actually the last thing cartels want)? The public backlash is what the heads of state are trying to avoid

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    sure, I'll see if I can dig it up, give me a minute. I'm not talking out of my ass but a source would be much more convincing

    Fuck. It was in an article posted on Grasscity a couple months ago, I can't find it. Edited my post to remove that point.
    All good man, I was actually more just curious on how the whole procedure would work.

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    All good man, I was actually more just curious on how the whole procedure would work.
    The article basically talked about how 50% of it's burned and the other 50% goes to domestic hemp industries. I really wish I could find it again, it was a really well-written article.

  37. Post #37
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    Prohibition rarely works, it would probably be easier and safer to call off the war on drugs and spend that money educating people to make smart decisions and making sure that if they do decide to start using a substance that it is of pure quality and they get help they need should they want to kick it. Just like they did with alcohol.
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    Honestly if you're against legalization you've got something wrong with your views.
    I don't think anyone who takes a verbal anti-drug stance is wrong, but it doesn't work where it matters.

  39. Post #39
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    Dennab
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    Why do we even have those, they should be government ran.
    If they were government run, they'd be losing money hand over fist.

    Reagan once said, the only way crime won't pay, is if it's run by the government.
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    Living in Guatemala I can say Otto Perez really said this out of the blue, he never mentioned it on his campaign and he just started talking about it. About the legalization in our country and that other countries should follow that path.

    Our biggest problem here in Guatemala is that we are a bridge. We don't really consume that much drugs here, and production is sub-par compared to those in Peru/Ecuador/Bolivia (Not Colombia, believe it or not). But every single drug that goes to Mexico or the USA passes through here, if the USA and Mexico don't legalize it, it will be the same shit.

    I agree with Otto, I think the USA's plan to eradicate drugs its stupid and a waste of money, I don't want help from the USA either because they are not a charity, once the "war" is over (if that is ever possible) they will probably own half your country. (They are doing this with Colombia, they are going to own most of the mineral resources they found while "chasing" drug cartels).
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