1. Post #1
    churboi austin
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    October 2007
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    A long-term study finds that eating any amount and any type increases the risk of premature death.

    Eating red meat any amount and any type appears to significantly increase the risk of premature death, according to a long-range study that examined the eating habits and health of more than 110,000 adults for more than 20 years.

    For instance, adding just one 3-ounce serving of unprocessed red meat picture a piece of steak no bigger than a deck of cards to one's daily diet was associated with a 13% greater chance of dying during the course of the study.

    Even worse, adding an extra daily serving of processed red meat, such as a hot dog or two slices of bacon, was linked to a 20% higher risk of death during the study.

    "Any red meat you eat contributes to the risk," said An Pan, a postdoctoral fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston and lead author of the study, published online Monday in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

    Crunching data from thousands of questionnaires that asked people how frequently they ate a variety of foods, the researchers also discovered that replacing red meat with other foods seemed to reduce mortality risk for study participants.

    Eating a serving of nuts instead of beef or pork was associated with a 19% lower risk of dying during the study. The team said choosing poultry or whole grains as a substitute was linked with a 14% reduction in mortality risk; low-fat dairy or legumes, 10%; and fish, 7%.

    Previous studies had associated red meat consumption with diabetes, heart disease and cancer, all of which can be fatal. Scientists aren't sure exactly what makes red meat so dangerous, but the suspects include the iron and saturated fat in beef, pork and lamb, the nitrates used to preserve them, and the chemicals created by high-temperature cooking.

    The Harvard researchers hypothesized that eating red meat would also be linked to an overall risk of death from any cause, Pan said. And the results suggest they were right: Among the 37,698 men and 83,644 women who were tracked, as meat consumption increased, so did mortality risk.

    In separate analyses of processed and unprocessed meats, the group found that both types appear to hasten death. Pan said that at the outset, he and his colleagues had thought it likely that only processed meat posed a health danger.

    Carol Koprowski, a professor of preventive medicine at USC's Keck School of Medicine who wasn't involved in the research, cautioned that it can be hard to draw specific conclusions from a study like this because there can be a lot of error in the way diet information is recorded in food frequency questionnaires, which ask subjects to remember past meals in sometimes grueling detail.

    But Pan said the bottom line was that there was no amount of red meat that's good for you.

    "If you want to eat red meat, eat the unprocessed products, and reduce it to two or three servings a week," he said. "That would have a huge impact on public health."

    A majority of people in the study reported that they ate an average of at least one serving of meat per day.

    Pan said that he eats one or two servings of red meat per week, and that he doesn't eat bacon or other processed meats.

    Cancer researcher Lawrence H. Kushi of the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland said that groups putting together dietary guidelines were likely to pay attention to the findings in the study.

    "There's a pretty strong supposition that eating red meat is important that it should be part of a healthful diet," said Kushi, who was not involved in the study. "These data basically demonstrate that the less you eat, the better."

    UC San Francisco researcher and vegetarian diet advocate Dr. Dean Ornish said he gleaned a hopeful message from the study.

    "Something as simple as a meatless Monday can help," he said. "Even small changes can make a difference."

    Additionally, Ornish said, "What's good for you is also good for the planet."

    In an editorial that accompanied the study, Ornish wrote that a plant-based diet could help cut annual healthcare costs from chronic diseases in the U.S., which exceed $1 trillion. Shrinking the livestock industry could also reduce greenhouse gas emissions and halt the destruction of forests to create pastures, he wrote.

    FOR THE RECORD:
    Red meat: An article in the March 13 LATExtra section about a study linking red meat consumption to an increased risk of premature death said that preservatives like nitrates probably contributed to the danger. It should have included nitrites as well.
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  2. Post #2
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    Dennab
    August 2005
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    So... What is it? Good, bad, meh? So many studies about red meat that I don't know anything anymore...

    And who the fuck cares... Everything either causes premature death or cancer these days aswell. Tomorrow we could get hit by a bus.
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  3. Post #3
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    As usual, it's not the actual food that does the damage, it's the preservatives and other bullshit they have to stuff it with.

    Nothing really new here.
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  4. Post #4
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    May 2007
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    http://facepunch.com/threads/1172022


    I think these studies are a waste of time, eat what you eat in good moderation and get exercise and you do fine
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    July 2007
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    Right. I'll keep this in mind next time I order a T-bone.


    Medium instead of medium rare?

  6. Post #6
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    January 2005
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    I'm a butcher, don't listen to these lies. red meat is good for you, red meat is delicious, if you don't eat red meat then you're a commie.

    I wear a white lab-coat too, so I know my shit. Buy my meat.

    I also got really sharp knifes which can be really scary, so don't make me get scary, buy my shit.
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  7. Post #7
    Cmx
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    So we cant eat red meat because we die faster, we cant eat fish because of mercury, and we cant eat veggies because they are grown with pesticides.
    WHAT CAN WE EAT?
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    I'm a butcher, don't listen to these lies. red meat is good for you, red meat is delicious, if you don't eat red meat then you're a commie.

    I wear a white lab-coat too, so I know my shit. Buy my meat.
    I want your meat in my mouth.
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  9. Post #9
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    I don't give a shit what any study says I'll be a carnivore till the day I die
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  10. Post #10
    churboi austin
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    October 2007
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    As usual, it's not the actual food that does the damage, it's the preservatives and other bullshit they have to stuff it with.

    Nothing really new here.
    it just said that is a possibility and should be noted, not that it was the sole cause.

  11. Post #11
    So we cant eat red meat because we die faster, we cant eat fish because of mercury, and we cant eat veggies because they are grown with pesticides.
    WHAT CAN WE EAT?
    Shit.
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  12. Post #12
    Ms. Andry
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    August 2005
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    I don't give a shit what any study says I'll be a carnivore till the day I die
    these studies are about the dangers of excess

    unless you're a fat carnivore you don't have much to worry about

  13. Post #13
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    December 2007
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    new study says my ass

    I eat red meat and I'm fine, and so has my family for generations.

  14. Post #14
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    February 2007
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    Try it all you want, there is nothing that will ever convince me that red meat isn't fucking awesome and kicks every other foods ass.
    It could give you cancer, aids, syphilis, the runs, and unplanned pregnancy and it would still be the fucking king of all food.
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    Proudly supporting the JIDF
    Dennab
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    At least I won't be depressed.

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    fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart
    Dennab
    November 2007
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    Tomorrow we could get hit by a bus.
    that's some final destination shit right there

  17. Post #17
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    November 2007
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    Tell us the fucking original risk already.
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  18. Post #18
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    Dennab
    August 2005
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    I'm a butcher, don't listen to these lies. red meat is good for you, red meat is delicious, if you don't eat red meat then you're a commie.

    I wear a white lab-coat too, so I know my shit. Buy my meat.
    I've seen this before...
    Like, this exact post

    Edited:

    So we cant eat red meat because we die faster, we cant eat fish because of mercury, and we cant eat veggies because they are grown with pesticides.
    WHAT CAN WE EAT?
    Bubblewrap maybe. It protects things, so it should protect us, since we must live like endangered species...

    Edited:

    Try it all you want, there is nothing that will ever convince me that red meat isn't fucking awesome and kicks every other foods ass.
    It could give you cancer, aids, syphilis, the runs, and unplanned pregnancy and it would still be the fucking king of all food.
    Next time you see a study about this, it will cause abortion and random deaths of children in Africa.

    Edited:

    that's some final destination shit right there
    I could have went the extra mile and say we could get a bunch of iron rods through our faces, but that seems exaggerated.

  19. Post #19
    "Epic Leddit pwner :)"
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    Why don't they just make a study on what doesn't kill us?
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  20. Post #20
    foxcock
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    source?
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    I SHOULDN'T OWN A FIREARM
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    May 2005
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    Can't prove causation in long term human trials, only correlation. The jump between correlation and causation is HUGE and I see no evidence they have even begun to link it.

    This is why we get all these "X is bad for you" bullshit articles. Because nobody understands that correlation basically means nothing in this context.
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    In other news, you might die if you are living.
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    In other news, you might die if you are living.
    I'd like to see your methods. :colbert:

  24. Post #24
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    October 2007
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    Next week "All food is bad for you and will cause cancer"

  25. Post #25
    fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart fart
    Dennab
    November 2007
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    In other news, you might die if you are living.
    false, that implies there is a chance of not undergoing death

    you lose

  26. Post #26
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    May 2009
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    So it causes cancer, reduces risk of depression and is "bad for you". Will they make their fucking minds up already?

  27. Post #27
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
    26,086 Posts
    Well it tastes good and doesn't kill me immediately so I'm not going to stop eating it

  28. Post #28
    Ask me about my progressive rock fetish
    Daniel Smith's Avatar
    September 2010
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    That's not going to stop me from eating this

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  29. Post #29
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    we made 1000 people walk around with money in their pockets and 1000 people walk around buying stuff with bank cards and found that you are 4.3% more likely to die if you carry money around money should be banned
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  30. Post #30
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    October 2007
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    Well it tastes good and doesn't kill me immediately so I'm not going to stop eating it
    To be honest I'd stop eating it if I wasn't a massive chunk of my diet I'd be cutting out.

  31. Post #31
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    June 2007
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    If bacon is wrong I don't want to be right.
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  32. Post #32
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    September 2006
    906 Posts
    Is this just some bullshit research which aims to slow the amount of cows that are killed for a bit?

  33. Post #33
    churboi austin
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    October 2007
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    before the industrialization of slaughterhouses the consumption of meat was reserved for special occasions. eating it every day was a sign of wealth. at this time (only 100-150 years ago) heart disease wasn't at all common and was believed to run hereditarily in rich blood. the introduction of factory farms changed all of this, suddenly everyone could afford to eat like the wealthy. the same people profiting off you consuming meat and dairy are the same people constructing the food pyramid and telling you how much is appropriate to consume.

    in that short amount of time (again, about 100 years, a fucking blip in history) heart disease went from being an unknown disease to the NUMBER ONE killer in the world. anyone with an ounce of common sense can see where we went wrong there, and it isn't going to stop if people continue to lie to themselves with the assumption, "this is how we've always done it". that just isn't true. not eating meat isn't a fad, organic isn't a fad. ironically the only historical "fad" we've seen is the introduction of factory farms, poison in our agriculture, etc. veganism is just a step forward to where we're supposed to be before everything got fucked up.

    so yeah, i guess all i'm saying is, a fluctuation in the mortality risk IS pretty silly considering how much its already constantly moving depending on what you decide to do that day. but in general, making strides to side step the number one killer in the entire world would probably do the trick.
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    Click here for instant Gumby.
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    Don't care, Like burgers.
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  35. Post #35
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    IIRC, there was a study a while back that compared the parts of the body of herbivores and carnivores to humans. We're actually herbivores according to the study because we have almost everything a herbivore does. (stubby fingers, no sharp teeth, no claws, etc.) Herbivores can get sick from eating flesh, which might explain the reason the results in this study turned out the way they did.


    Granted, this won't stop me from eating meat.

  36. Post #36
    IIRC, there was a study a while back that compared the parts of the body of herbivores and carnivores to humans. We're actually herbivores according to the study because we have almost everything a herbivore does. (stubby fingers, no sharp teeth, no claws, etc.) Herbivores can get sick from eating flesh, which might explain the reason the results in this study turned out the way they did.
    If we were herbivores we'd actually get sick from eating meat. Not just develop or not cancer. Meat is good for us as it provides many chemicals needed. On the other hand we can't eat grass or plants the same way most herbivores can, we either get diarrhea or get sick from it. We're a mix in its truest form.
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  37. Post #37
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    May 2007
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    Humans aye, terrible idea.

  38. Post #38
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    August 2011
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    What's up with all these damn red meat studies lately?

    One idiot does something and other idiots go "NO I CAN DISPROVE YOU!!"

  39. Post #39
    autodesknoob's Avatar
    January 2010
    4,272 Posts
    i dont give a shit about this studies, i dont eat meat because i dont like it, not because its bad.
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  40. Post #40
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    April 2009
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    I cant last 3 days without some meat
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