1. Post #1
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    [release]
    Welcome to The Armory
    This thread is for discussing weapon loadouts and gameplay, ranging from simple hints to map-based tactics and, gasp!, teamwork.
    This is not the place to post cosmetic setups or ask for tips on what hat you should get, instead, you can post asking how best to use weapon X or class Y.

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  2. Post #2
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    I was under the impression that gameplay discussion was what the general was for.
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  3. Post #3
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    Rocket launcher is best launcher
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  4. Post #4
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    I was under the impression that this was what the general was for.
    I don't see much discussion in general chat about this, do you?
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  5. Post #5
    Ern
    this title sucks
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    July 2011
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    This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

    Also, Vanilla Scout is Best Scout.
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    My waifu is the Scout.
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    Rocket launcher is best launcher
    Scattergun is best Scatter.
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  7. Post #7
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    This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

    Also, Vanilla Scout is Best Scout.
    I dunno, the Wrap Assassin is a pretty handy melee weapon.
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  8. Post #8
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    I was under the impression that gameplay discussion was what the general was for.
    You're in for a surprise then

  9. Post #9
    Judging people just because of their avatars/titles is RETARDED
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    March 2011
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    Black Box #1
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    You people are silly for not using the sandman.
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  11. Post #11
    Ern
    this title sucks
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    Black box #1
    I once fell in love with the Black Box when it came out, I thought the +15 Health on Hit was quite a nice upside.
    But then, I went back to my old love; the Rocket Launcher.

    It is but a myth, once you go Black, you can go back.
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  12. Post #12
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    I once fell in love with the Black Box when it came out, I thought the +15 Health on Hit was quite a nice upside.
    But then, I went back to my old love; the Rocket Launcher.

    It is but a myth, once you go Black, you can go back.
    It's the 3 rocket limit that gets me.
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    Judging people just because of their avatars/titles is RETARDED
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    So we talk about loadouts that are useful to us?

    Ok, Widowmaker, Pistol, Gunslinger.
    Widowmaker is good for combat and helps you to aim instead of reloading and spraying your aim everywhere. And instead of you scrambling around to find more metal for your mini-sentry you can shoot someone to get more!
    The pistol is backup incase you run out of metal, very helpful.

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    It's the 3 rocket limit that gets me.
    I always need that last rocket for picking off people, and the direct hit I suck with, so the only viable option for me is the default rocket launcher.

    ...Well, there's the Cow Mangler too, but I only pick it up when there's guaranteed no Engies.

  15. Post #15
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    for a pyro loadout I commonly find myself using:

    Degreaser
    Shotgun
    Powerjack

    I feel this is a well rounded loadout, and it's capable of being fairly useful against enemy pyros as well, it's one of the reasons why I don't use the flaregun often, it leaves me with little options against another pyro.

    I always need that last rocket for picking off people, and the direct hit I suck with, so the only viable option for me is the default rocket launcher.


    ...Well, there's the Cow Mangler too, but I only pick it up when there's guaranteed no Engies.
    I can't tell you how many unattended sentries I've destroyed by stunning and shotgunning them.

  16. Post #16
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    for a pyro loadout I commonly find myself using:

    Degreaser
    Shotgun
    Powerjack

    I feel this is a well rounded loadout, and it's capable of being fairly useful against enemy pyros as well, it's one of the reasons why I don't use the flaregun often, it leaves me with little options against another pyro.



    I can't tell you how many unattended sentries I've destroyed by stunning and shotgunning them.
    I don't think the flare gun is that bad against pyros, it does 30 damage per hit so it's not too bad.
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    This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

    Also, Vanilla Scout is Best Scout.
    Pretty much but the Shortstop and Bonk are both extremely good, not only on their own but they synergize very well due to the Pistol being redundant with the SS

  18. Post #18
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    I use the Degreaser, Reserve-Shooter, and Homewrecker or Axtinguisher

    The Reserve-shooter is like an axtinguisher with bullets, it's also very handy for taking enemy pyros out as you don't need them on fire, and you can push them away as well, disabling them to do damage with the flamethrower. Homewrecker is great when you're on defense.
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  19. Post #19
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    So we talk about loadouts that are useful to us?

    Ok, Widowmaker, Pistol, Gunslinger.
    Widowmaker is good for combat and helps you to aim instead of reloading and spraying your aim everywhere. And instead of you scrambling around to find more metal for your mini-sentry you can shoot someone to get more!
    The pistol is backup incase you run out of metal, very helpful.
    This is probably my favorite battle engie loadout. Dropping a mini-sentry and then running around to attack from the other side is a great distraction.

    Edited:

    I always need that last rocket for picking off people, and the direct hit I suck with, so the only viable option for me is the default rocket launcher.

    ...Well, there's the Cow Mangler too, but I only pick it up when there's guaranteed no Engies.
    I still find myself using the Mangler if there are engies, just because disabling their little camps can be really useful on a push. Sure, destroying them myself could work, but then I don't get to set them on fire as well.
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  20. Post #20
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    I don't think the flare gun is that bad against pyros, it does 30 damage per hit so it's not too bad.
    It's pretty poor compared to the rapid 40-60 dmg you can inflict with the shotgun. And that's not counting crit shots either

  21. Post #21
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    It's pretty poor compared to the rapid 40-60 dmg you can inflict with the shotgun. And that's not counting crit shots either
    But in non pyro vs. pyro situations you can simply light your enemy on fire and then shoot them with a crit flare. It's a weapon that does consistent damage at any range. When I face another pyro I tend to just stay back.

  22. Post #22
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    But in non pyro vs. pyro situations you can simply light your enemy on fire and then shoot them with a crit flare. It's a weapon that does consistent damage at any range. When I face another pyro I tend to just stay back.
    Depending on the map, I airblast them back. Usually off the map so they fall to their death.
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  23. Post #23
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    But in non pyro vs. pyro situations you can simply light your enemy on fire and then shoot them with a crit flare. It's a weapon that does consistent damage at any range. When I face another pyro I tend to just stay back.
    I still prefer having the peace of mind of having a weapon that's fairly effective against everything, though I do have a flaregun loadout, I should try using it more, seeing as I'm not fond of the axetinguisher

  24. Post #24
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    Enforcer is bad mmmkay
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    Depending on the map, I airblast them back. Usually off the map so they fall to their death.
    That's what I do to phlog pyros, usually away from anyone they can light to avoid letting them fill up their mmph meter.
    I still prefer having the peace of mind of having a weapon that's fairly effective against everything, though I do have a flaregun loadout, I should try using it more, seeing as I'm not fond of the axetinguisher
    I don't feel safe using the axe.

  26. Post #26
    BUY THE BROWN BOMBER
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    February 2011
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    why does everyone hate the market gardener?

    Shit's so fun.
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  27. Post #27
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    Vanilla weapons all the way.

    Except the Blutsauger, that thing is a godsend.
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  28. Post #28
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    That's what I do to phlog pyros, usually away from anyone they can light to avoid letting them fill up their mmph meter.


    I don't feel safe using the axe.
    Shotgun + Powerjack compliment eachother really well, one or two shots, then give them a good swat with the powerjack, bam, you just got HP back

    why does everyone hate the market gardener?

    Shit's so fun.

    ?
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  29. Post #29
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    Vanilla weapons all the way.

    Except the Blutsauger, that thing is a godsend.
    Vanilla weapons are nice, but from a gameplay standpoint, some are obsolete now.

    The fireaxe and bonesaw.
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  30. Post #30
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    I never bothered with the powerjack. I'll equip it later on.

    Also the half-zatoichi is completely broken in medieval mode.
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  31. Post #31
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    February 2011
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    Dead Ringer + Spycicle + Enforcer is best spy

    (Just kidding, Dont send the hounds on me)
    I prefer my Strange Knife + Enthusiasts with either Ambassador if my ping is ok or Enforcer/Regular Revolver if its not...

  32. Post #32
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    October 2010
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    Any map with a lot of vertical room, particularly Hightower, I roll Cow Mangler + Gunboats + Equalizer(generally). Five rockets to jump around with and rain death with. Plus that map's so compact that there are only really so many spaces for Sentrys, though the minis are the only problem with the loadout.

  33. Post #33
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    November 2011
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    Kritzkrieg + Offensive/Defensive class = lotsafun

  34. Post #34
    Ian
    I'll show you a gold member.
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    June 2010
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    I think the Machina is a pretty decent sniper rifle.

    :c
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  35. Post #35
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    February 2011
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    Also Rocket Launcher or Cow Mangler (depending on # of enemy engies and team support) + Gunboats + Market Gardner is loads of fun

  36. Post #36
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    October 2010
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    I think I prefer the Solemn Vow over the ubersaw...
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  37. Post #37
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    I'm shocked there's people here who appreciate the cow mangler. And even more shocked how mature and civil this topic has been so far.
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  38. Post #38
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    I think I prefer the Solemn Vow over the ubersaw...
    It's nice knowing enemy health and relaying that to your teammates.

    I've been using the Solemn Vow for a little while now and it's always been useful.
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  39. Post #39
    The Cow Mangler is fucking awesome.

    And once you get over the fact the particles suck get a mod to make the particles not suck, it's even better.
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  40. Post #40
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    I drop ubers too often so I use the vita saw.
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