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    Source: http://whatsnext.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...ere/?hpt=hp_c1

    Will there be a time in our lives when cars don’t crash? When a Mustang can warn a BMW that it’s changing lanes – or when we can just sit back and relax and our cars will drive themselves?

    Auto technology experts say “yes." And they say that some of those advances may happen quicker than you might think.

    “We are seeing just seismic changes as we speak,” said Scott Belcher, president and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America.

    Founded in 1991 as an advisory committee to the U.S. Department of Transportation, ITSA is now an independent non-profit that advocates for technology that will improve the safety and efficiency of cars and trucks.

    On Tuesday, Consumer Reports announced that it now supports vehicle-to-vehicle communication technology – systems that essentially let cars talk to each other, helping avoid accidents in the process.

    In the wake of the announcement, we chatted with Belcher about that and other tech that could be changing the way we drive (presumably for the better) in the next few years.

    On vehicle-to-vehicle technology

    "That's going to be our next major safety advance - on par with airbags or safety belts,” Belcher said.

    Belcher said studies suggest that as many as 81 percent of “non-impaired” crashes could be avoided through vehicle-to-vehicle communication, which uses a dedicated part of the radio spectrum that’s been set aside by the federal government.

    “That’s pretty huge,” he said. “That’s a big, big number.”

    His group plans a pilot program in Ann Arbor, Michigan, in which 3,000 cars will be equipped with the tech. Results will help highway-safety officials to decide whether to require the system in the future.

    On cars that drive themselves

    At first glance it seems like the stuff of science fiction. But Belcher said fully automated cars could be close at hand. In fact, he said, what might ultimately keep them off the road could be us.

    “The question is going to be not whether we can do autonomous vehicles, but how much autonomy we are willing to put up with as a culture. We don’t really like to give up control of our vehicles," he said.

    “But if you look at where we are today – the adaptive cruise control is semi-autonomous. Cars that park themselves – that’s autonomous. You’ve got buses that operate in rapid transit systems that, for the most part, are autonomous.”

    He noted that Google has logged more than 200,000 miles with a driverless car in Nevada (where lawmakers are considering legislation to allow automated driving) and a challenge by the U.S. military’s DARPA in which contestants successfully piloted automated cars in an urban setting.

    “It’s out there. But how quickly and how much we see it is really going to be dictated by society, not technology,” he said. “It’s going to be the liability issues, the control issues that are going to prevent it.

    Volvo has a system that scans for pedestrians moving into the path of the vehicle and can even apply the brakes to avoid hitting someone.

    Society’s technology ‘tipping point’

    Part of the reason car tech is moving so quickly, Belcher said, is that the public is demanding it and car manufacturers know they have to meet that demand or lose out to another company that does.

    “We’ve become a society that has become dependent on our phones and dependent on our access to technology and our access to communication networks,” he said. “The car is just becoming an extension of that. We can’t imagine we’re going to lose that connectivity as soon as we get in the car.”

    “We’re at this tipping point in society right now and it’s going to be fascinating to watch it play out. The cat’s out of the bag, so to speak.”

    Automated cars, for example, could become a reality because of pressure from both ends of the driving spectrum.

    For the oldest drivers, automation could become a way to keep driving longer, Belcher said. And for the youngest, car tech that lets them stay engaged with their other gadgets may eventually have more appeal than, say, stomping on the pedal of a 1970 Dodge Charger.

    “They could care less about that,” he said. “They just want to play with their phone.”

    The spread of existing, high-end tech

    It’s a constant in the tech world. Be it DVD players or smartphones or 3D televisions, the early adopters are going to pay a premium to say they were first. But as production ramps up and becomes more efficient, the price drops.

    In the car world, that could mean more of us will see high-tech safety features that only come equipped on the fanciest cars right now.

    Belcher specifically mentioned rear-view cameras, which activate an in-dash screen when the driver is backing up, showing objects that may be hard to see normally.

    Also in line to make the trip from high-end luxury to standard feature? "Adaptive” cruise control that will automatically shift speed when you get too close to another car, and vehicles that automatically send you signals when someone is in your blind spot or if you stray from your lane.

    Automakers also are testing augmented-reality windshields, controlled by hand gestures from the front seat, that would display real-time info about passing landmarks.

    What does it all mean?

    “If we can make cars that don’t crash, then think about what that does to the cars we can build,” Belcher said. “Right now, what we build is cars that help you survive when you crash. But if you don’t crash, do we really need to two tons of metal? Can you use other materials?”
    This is awesome.
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    What happens when it BSODs at 70mph?
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    What happens when it BSODs at 70mph?
    I assume it will run Linux like everything else, so it will work long after the processor has decayed into dust.
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    I assume it will run Linux like everything else, so it will work long after the processor has decayed into dust.
    So it's going to be useless as almost no one will be able to drive it?
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    "I drive a Mac"
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    It blows my mind that in some capacity driverless cars are actually a thing right now

    They may not be properly ready for the road yet, but they actually exist and work now, not just a concept or a design
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    It blows my mind that in some capacity driverless cars are actually a thing right now

    They may not be properly ready for the road yet, but they actually exist and work now, not just a concept or a design
    If it's not ready it kinda is concept design.
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    So it's going to be useless as almost no one will be able to drive it?
    I dont know, it is pretty easy.

    OH wow, I found the command to go fast! lets see, Yup, I am going fast!!

    Wait fuck how do I stop.
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    Back in my day we used to turn the steering wheel and shift the gears.
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    If it's not ready it kinda is concept design.
    But they actually work right now

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    But they actually work right now

    A concept design does not imply it doesn't exist in reality. A concept car might as well exist but not yet be ready for real use.

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    "I drive a Mac"
    iCar, for only $750,000!
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    I dont know, it is pretty easy.

    OH wow, I found the command to go fast! lets see, Yup, I am going fast!!

    Wait fuck how do I stop.
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    It only only took us how long to make cars that can do this? SOON
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    I assume it will run Linux like everything else, so it will work long after the processor has decayed into dust.
    Yeah because Kernel Panics NEVER happen amirite?
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    inbefore people jailbreaking their cars to add n2o
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    Reprogram car to randomly send commands to the cars around you.
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    So it's going to be useless as almost no one will be able to drive it?
    "Hmm, check engine light. Aha, the /dev/ for the mass air flow sensor is missing!"
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    Reprogram car to randomly send commands to the cars around you.
    I wonder if it would be possible to reprogram your car to be a dick to other cars
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    I wonder if it would be possible to reprogram your car to be a dick to other cars
    wouldn't doubt it
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    Tech been available for a while now. Video games do it all the time. It's just a matter of getting the right sensor components into these cars because they are clearly not in a virtual world and will have to adapt to anything going on around them. Hell even GTA has had it's shares of "why did that truck run into that car and keep going?".
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    Dennab
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    "I drive a Mac"
    40 pin charging connector, stereo only accepts iTunes purchased media. Has a single button inside.

    Also doesn't come with any windows out of the box.
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    Oh no, what have I done!
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    I think driverless cars could be possible. I think they'd all kind of run on some sort of automated route, to avoid accidents and stuff.
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    I think driverless cars could be possible. I think they'd all kind of run on some sort of automated route, to avoid accidents and stuff.
    Why did you retell what the driverless car can do?
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    40 pin charging connector, stereo only accepts iTunes purchased media. Has a single button inside.
    If it is a mac car, Let's just hope apple doesn't patent everything ...
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    The Union Jack would look a shit ton better with a Hammer and Sickle in the middle of it
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    I think driverless cars could be possible. I think they'd all kind of run on some sort of automated route, to avoid accidents and stuff.
    glad you think its possible because its already happened lol

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    It only only took us how long to make cars that can do this? SOON
    The proportions in that image really fuck with my vision.
    Also, the fact that everyone seems to be driving between the lanes and not actually in them. Seriously, who the hell drives like that? If automated cars are supposed to do that, we have a problem.
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    I dont know, it is pretty easy.

    OH wow, I found the command to go fast! lets see, Yup, I am going fast!!

    Wait fuck how do I stop.
    ^C
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    The proportions in that image really fuck with my vision.
    Also, the fact that everyone seems to be driving between the lanes and not actually in them. Seriously, who the hell drives like that? If automated cars are supposed to do that, we have a problem.
    Something is wrong with your vision.
    Also these stripes are not lanes, they're "paths" that cars follow. See the continuous lines on the sides? These are lanes cause they're light or white.
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    Dennab
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    The proportions in that image really fuck with my vision.
    Also, the fact that everyone seems to be driving between the lanes and not actually in them. Seriously, who the hell drives like that? If automated cars are supposed to do that, we have a problem.
    Solid line = lane boundary, dotted line = lane center. perhaps the cars use some kind of optical sensor to stay on course, like those tiny robots you used in primary school.

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    Solid line = lane boundary, dotted line = lane center. perhaps the cars use some kind of optical sensor to stay on course, like those tiny robots you used in primary school.
    Hell, those white lines are nigh invisible in that image. Who the hell did that?
    And what robots are you talking about?
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    The problem will be the old cars that don't have this system as well as using cars in different countries.having a second production line for these will be expensive.

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    I like the idea of automatically driven cars.
    It seems a lot safer and It would definitely help clear up some of the LA traffic.

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    Dennab
    February 2012
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    Hell, those white lines are nigh invisible in that image. Who the hell did that?
    And what robots are you talking about?


    You've never used one of these before? it uses LDR's to keep itself on the line.
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    I'm different!
    Doctor Zedacon's Avatar
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    No, we never had need of them. I've used them before, but never for school.

  36. Post #36
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    I hope that driverless cars don't become 100% of cars.
    Even if I could buy a cheap car that drives itself I wouldn't do it.
    Driving can be fun(unless it's automatic transmission). Besides, the motorsport industry would be gone if it's a 100% conversion, and we all know that's not gonna happen, considering the impact motorsport has in the automotive industry.
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    The high-end Prius is a great example of a car that already uses the lines of the road to guide itself. When you set it to 'guided-cruise', it follows the lines of the highway lanes to keep the car within them, as well as monitoring cars to the right, left and front to make sure speed is consistent. I tried it out when I was with my mom getting a Prius V, and it's both terrifying and awesome.

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    Hit and runs are gonna get a lot more complicated...
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    No thanks. I like driving.
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    I hope that driverless cars don't become 100% of cars.
    Even if I could buy a cheap car that drives itself I wouldn't do it.
    Driving can be fun(unless it's automatic transmission). Besides, the motorsport industry would be gone if it's a 100% conversion, and we all know that's not gonna happen, considering the impact motorsport has in the automotive industry.
    I think you'll always still be able to buy manual cars, you just might not be able to use them on normal roads.

    Think of it like this: when all cars are driverless then there will be massive demand for awesome tracks/parks for people who want to do a bit of 'real' driving. Who wants to drive manually on a boring old road when you can go on something specifically designed to be fun.

    Edited:

    I like the idea of driverless cars if they actually improve safety. I enjoy driving too, but there are plenty of ways to still enjoy driving and not put others in danger if safer systems are available.

    In the near-term hopefully we'll see a load of automated safety systems on cars, which will hopefully be made mandatory if they work well enough.

    I'd also imagine we'll be able to have superhighways or ultrahighways or whatever where the cars drive on fully auto at ridiculous speeds at optimal efficiency.
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