1. Post #1
    Dennab
    September 2011
    1,790 Posts
    Do you think that it is:
    * Necessary
    * Effective
    * Counter-Intuitive

    Well, obviously it's not a good idea for schools to allow access to redtube, so they are necessary to keep schools clean, but as an art student, many a times I see incredible photgraphs I want to print off a school computer having found a picture on google, when, surprise, that website is blocked! Blogs are also blocked for me, which is stupid. If you can detect inappropriate content in other things, why can't you admit the clean blogs? Are only companies who can afford to buy a website allowed to have a voice in schools? Are personal opinions damaging to our fragile young minds? Of course they aren't, it's bullshit and you know it.
    And think about youtube. Where else are you going to find videos of Tienanmen Square for a history lesson, The Masque of the Red Death for an English lesson, a video tutorial for drawing tree bark in an art class? Nowhere, that's where. Youtube is an incredible educational tool, yet 99.9% of school filters block it.
    There are blogs of people with controversial ideas that we aren't allowed to access. We aren't allowed to look at another individual's right to speak, which is protected by the first amendment. How is that constitutional?

    Ok I could write more but I am tired as all hell, just had to get this out there and see what you guys thought

    Edited:

    Also my tab key is broken, sorry for the formatting

  2. Post #2
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    The Aussie's Avatar
    May 2010
    4,019 Posts
    Portable firefox.


    List of fresh ip proxies.

    Winrar.


    No, but seriously, i have found that they tend to be more harmful then useful.

  3. Post #3
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    Dennab
    February 2007
    6,746 Posts
    It's certainly necessary. I "worked" in my old school's IT department assisting "repairs" of computers (They kept a cupboard full of HDDs with pre-installed shit). I used this time to secretly disable the custom firewall on their proxy servers, which allowed all unauthorised requests from school computers to go through.

    INSTANTLY, I noticed that in my classes nobody could concentrate on their work, because they were too busy fucking around on Facebook and Youtube to actually get any work done. I quickly put the firewall back up the next day after the IT guys were informed by the teachers, and I noticed that everyone had gone back to actually completing the work again.

    I can pretty much say that this proved to me that it's necessary in schools, but never in houses or in public places. Pretty much every High School student out there acts like they have a severe case of ADHD and can't completely any work at all without external assistance.

  4. Post #4
    Antdawg's Avatar
    July 2010
    5,276 Posts
    I do believe that it is necessary, especially when students are able to use laptops (having the screen not be seen by the teacher). There will always be students that do actual work on the internet, but most people will instead go to sites such as Facebook, YouTube (for funny videos, not actual educational videos) and random game sites. I say this from experience (from viewing others, and I do on occasion myself), many people are able to bypass filters set in place, but this leads to the next point:

    The system my state's department of education and training uses isn't very effective. Sure, the whitelist blocks pretty much every proxy site you can think of, but people bypass this by using other people's internet logins from alternate education (such as tafe college logins, which are far less restricted). It's funny though, all it should really take to prevent such a thing from happening is checking which account is logged in on the computer, and comparing it with the login that is used to access the internet.

    Finally, yes it is sometimes counter-intuitive such as for research purposes. However, if a teacher wants to look for resources teacher logins have barely any restrictions, making it easy for lessons where everyone is looking at a smartboard. It's not actually that bad though for personal research, research is still very possible.

  5. Post #5
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    Baldr 2.0's Avatar
    April 2011
    4,017 Posts
    Schools that want that you work at school on your schools stuff instead of watching anything not related to your work. Truly shocking. Until recently they couldn't control what was on there so they blocked the entire thing.

  6. Post #6
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    ProWaffle's Avatar
    July 2009
    4,592 Posts
    They should maintain it how it is, however, enable an option for certain categories (ie have it impossible to do this for porn and stuff) to enter the site, although with a report being sent to the staff with a quick note from you on why you are accessing it. You can access the resource you want when you need it, and if it's innocent, it'll later be unblocked, but if it's not, then you'll have some sort of punishment - restriction on use of the feature, or tighter internet controls on your account

    Would work fine.

  7. Post #7
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    Dennab
    January 2012
    5,547 Posts
    I think it's unnecessary at least when it comes to me. I'm almost never off-task, I do my work well and whoop! I can't access something that I want to do after because it's blocked. However the internet block is easy to get around so if you're going to be like China do it right.

  8. Post #8
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    The Aussie's Avatar
    May 2010
    4,019 Posts
    Portable firefox.


    List of fresh ip proxies.

    Winrar.


    No, but seriously, i have found that they tend to be more harmful then useful.
    I must clarify that my school has a program that views students screens as long as they are connected to the internet.

  9. Post #9
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
    47 Posts
    Necessary. I was a student in school, and I liked to do all of my work before going on my "free time". I noticed that whenever the teacher assigned something, everyone just pulls up their dumb facebook/youtube/flash games window and does whatever, and 3/4 of the class ends up not doing the work, and I bet that is very annoying for the teacher.

  10. Post #10
    Jabberwocky's Avatar
    June 2007
    2,778 Posts
    Isn't it a liability thing? A school doesn't want to answer parents' questions of "How was my son/daughter exposed to such filth?!"

  11. Post #11
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    Jasun's Avatar
    June 2009
    3,474 Posts
    I agree with censoring porn, virus riddled sites etc.

    But not shit like YouTube which I may actually need to use for my work. Also Wikipedia was also recently banned (and unbanned quickly after the amount of compalints) and also any sites containing LGBT content are blocked under "Alternative Lifestyles".

  12. Post #12
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    AugustBurnsRed's Avatar
    May 2009
    5,657 Posts
    Isn't it a liability thing? A school doesn't want to answer parents' questions of "How was my son/daughter exposed to such filth?!"
    Liability would be one reason.
    And as DireAvenger said nobody gets ANYTHING done without the blocks in place. At my school the blocks weren't working for a day (or maybe purposely disabled) so Facebook, YouTube, anything normally blocked, wasn't. People were fucking off all day.

  13. Post #13
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    SataniX's Avatar
    May 2010
    5,635 Posts
    The one my school uses is useless. They originally had this SWGFL filter that banned individual site, but people kept finding new sites. Now they have this Impero one that blocks based on URL, page content etc. However using https bypasses it so it's basically useless.

  14. Post #14
    Terminutter's Avatar
    June 2010
    6,267 Posts
    I'm fine with blocking certain content (porn), which my school does, but the blocking company blocks a hell of a lot of stuff which are useful for education. I'm fine with the blocking of reasonable content, but there needs to be a way to contact an admin quickly, to get a site unblocked if it's educational. (e.g. Al Jazeera was blocked at one point)
    Youtube's blocked at my school unless your teacher contacts the admins to get it unrestricted due to lessons needing it (e.g. media studies) or you're sixth form. (I am)

    Funny thing is that the guest wireless (student laptops, tablets e.t.c) and the wired/school laptop wireless at my school both have different people operating the filters on them. The wired / school laptop wireless one is operated on-site, but the guest one is operated by the local council.

    I do use proxies if I need them, though, as the school admins take hours to unfilter content, when it may be necessary for lessons. (and I'm guilty of having DF on a memory stick in case I get bored to hell)

  15. Post #15
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    AugustBurnsRed's Avatar
    May 2009
    5,657 Posts
    The one my school uses is useless. They originally had this SWGFL filter that banned individual site, but people kept finding new sites. Now they have this Impero one that blocks based on URL, page content etc. However using https bypasses it so it's basically useless.
    Heh, HTTPS did work to bypass some blocks at that school. But the portable TOR browser bundle can get around it all. Plus android phones and Tethering work

    I'd think the most reasonable approach would be to address the student body about taking down the blocks, but with surveillance, for a short period (1 week?) and see if they can be trusted.
    It could work with small schools.

  16. Post #16
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    Dennab
    January 2012
    1,310 Posts
    They blocked my connection to Stick RPG, I blocked their connection to air.

  17. Post #17
    Dennab
    September 2011
    1,790 Posts
    I want blogs to be unblocked, mostly

  18. Post #18
    LCBADs's Avatar
    March 2009
    1,775 Posts
    Blocks are definitely necessary. I'd probably get a lot more work done if TVTropes and Facepunch were blocked. It sometimes overreaches, but if there's a blog or article or imbedded video on a news site you need to get to, the school IT guy is usually cool enough a dude to lift the filter for you.

  19. Post #19
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    VenomousBeetle's Avatar
    January 2010
    6,221 Posts
    My school's internet is shit most of the time, and it's a school based around k12.com.

    Some people mess up their tests and quizes from its shitty loading

    What's that? 25 outgoing facebook visits a second from obese chicks?

    Lawdy.

    Funny though, the school protection is now broken, completely gone, and I'm not sure the school even notices. Before then it was a matter of editig HTTPS into the url.

    Funny however, is that on the first day of it being added, a teacher unblocked youtube personally.

  20. Post #20
    Dennab
    September 2011
    1,790 Posts
    Youtube is fucking useful for learning

  21. Post #21
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    Lol-Nade's Avatar
    September 2008
    3,740 Posts
    The school boards do this with good intention, but they have to learn that there will always be a way for students to access blocked content, ie. proxies.

    Luckily my high school learned this, and unblocked youtube. It was a very useful tool for my psychology/philosophy/anthropology teacher to use to look up some pretty cool lectures.

  22. Post #22
    SnakeEater91's Avatar
    January 2012
    113 Posts
    The Gov't school I go to now has a really annoying blocking system (ofc, since it's the government after all), but it's easily bypassed by just holding down F5 and refreshing the page a shitload of times whenever something's blocked (fail on their part).

  23. Post #23
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    carcarcargo's Avatar
    October 2007
    15,300 Posts
    Youtube is fucking useful for learning
    It's also full of useless shit.

  24. Post #24
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    Dennab
    September 2008
    9,837 Posts
    My school uses it for things that make sense, like porn and piracy. What they also do is block shit that has nothing to do with preventing learning. They block: mozilla.org, portableapps.com, anything that has to do with games, online shopping, 'personal websites', and Spotify.

  25. Post #25
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    squids_eye's Avatar
    July 2006
    5,855 Posts
    I agree with internet filters in school, as long as they only filter stuff like porn, games or facebook.

  26. Post #26
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    Adzter's Avatar
    September 2009
    2,035 Posts
    My schools is ridiculously paranoid, 99% of the web is blocked because of pornography, heck they blocked their own site for porn for about a week until they figured out how to undo it.

  27. Post #27
    BBgamer720's Avatar
    November 2011
    482 Posts
    I think it's good that there's filtering, even though it sucks for the minority who use the internet for school work etc. Some people don't want to see pornography and explict material.

    Filtering can go too far though, my school has even blocked Google Translate for some odd reason (Under Translators category).

  28. Post #28
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    November 2010
    7,940 Posts
    My high school pretty much blocked anything except for very credible sites (News sites, the school's site, etc.)
    Got pretty annoying when doing research while at school.

    My college doesn't seem to block anything, which seems to be a better route to me.

    I'd have to say if they only filtered explicit stuff and didn't go so 'power hungry' on blocking everything.

  29. Post #29
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    Badunkadunk's Avatar
    December 2008
    3,519 Posts
    If we ever had an item we needed access to that was blocked we just asked the teacher and they let us use his or her account for a minute. Otherwise people just go on sites and dick around in school. I'm in college now and everyone just watches youtube and goes on facebook on their laptops- I feel like I'm the only person listening to lectures sometimes.

  30. Post #30
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    Kepler's Avatar
    December 2011
    391 Posts
    I think it's fine, just as they don't filter stuff that we need. One time, they filtered a site because it had the word "anal" in it. It was an analysis site.

  31. Post #31
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    Shibbey's Avatar
    May 2009
    13,367 Posts
    The one at my school blocks random wikipedia pages and doesn't allow you to google many fruits, but sure, you can access Goatse just fine.

  32. Post #32
    BBgamer720's Avatar
    November 2011
    482 Posts
    If we ever had an item we needed access to that was blocked we just asked the teacher and they let us use his or her account for a minute. Otherwise people just go on sites and dick around in school. I'm in college now and everyone just watches youtube and goes on facebook on their laptops- I feel like I'm the only person listening to lectures sometimes.
    And then you'll end up with the better grade at the end and have the last laugh.

  33. Post #33
    I be da best's Avatar
    November 2011
    439 Posts
    I tried to look up Rick Santorum on my schools' computer, and it was blacked for reasons of abortion.

  34. Post #34
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    I believe schools should block websites, programs, certain access to folders, etc. It makes it more fun to get around such obstacles.

  35. Post #35
    Articsledder's Avatar
    November 2011
    703 Posts
    Unfortunately there's always the people who just play games the whole time. IMO they should be able adjust the filter to individual rooms, so a teacher can un-block YouTube for there class if it's needed. maybe also have a list of the current websites everyone's on on the teachers computer.

  36. Post #36

    August 2011
    772 Posts
    School uses MACs
    Claims MACs don't get viruses.
    Blocks websites for potential malware content.

    See my point?

  37. Post #37
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    Unfortunately there's always the people who just play games the whole time. IMO they should be able adjust the filter to individual rooms, so a teacher can un-block YouTube for there class if it's needed. maybe also have a list of the current websites everyone's on on the teachers computer.
    My school has that feature. It's actually really nice for when the teacher wants to show us a fun video related to the class.

  38. Post #38
    rivershark's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,242 Posts
    If 99% of the students weren't complete and utter fuckheads then yes, it would be unnecessary. One day there was a big power outage in my area, the next day we go in, there's no filtering because the whole system got restarted. So everyone blares dumb music via youtube, and wanks off to their facebook, and that's my point. Give the average highschooler freedom like that, and they're too fucking irresponsible to NOT browse social networks instead of doing their work.

    The filtering at my highschool is over the top balls to the wall retarded, though. I swear they just keep a list of "not blocked sites" and block everything else, it is literally THAT restrictive. I can honestly not do any legitimate research on those computers, because wikipedia, the only useful research site that isn't blocked, is "a bad source of information because...uhhh...people can change it....and write wrong things....and stuff...I'M THE TEACHER I'M ALWAYS RIGHT!". I'm not even gonna start with that, I've openly debated/argued with any teacher who's ever tried to make that claim.

  39. Post #39
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    blooregardo's Avatar
    September 2006
    1,286 Posts
    9 times out of 10 it's necessary.

    In regards to youtube, teachers should have access because these days there's a lot of educational shit there, and that way you won't have the students screwing around.

    if you want to play games in class bring a fucking gameboy

    that's what we did in the 90s

    Edited:

    School uses MACs
    Claims MACs don't get viruses.
    Blocks websites for potential malware content.

    See my point?
    that's because schools usually outsource web filtering or use software with filtering presets.

    plus teachers often bring their own laptops


    or the rich kids

  40. Post #40
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    ChloeBlackSythe's Avatar
    December 2010
    1,129 Posts
    Anyone think of a proxy, from someone else, when activated on a web server will act as a proxy and can't be blocked if a user is made with a username or password?

    Example: http://proxy.the-prototype.de/ and http://p.nope.bz/
    Example#2: http://p.jamy.be

    And the thing is also, with these proxy's you can search porn and stuff to your hearts desire, so its ultra awesome.