If someone believes in God (in the context of a debate, this means an assertion that a god exists), the burden of proof is on them, not Atheists.
Well yes, but unfortunately most religious dogma simply feel they can interchange faith with evidence, as if your personal beliefs will all of a sudden change the very foundation of the universe, so I would say the burden (and I would say the burden of education, not proof) lies with the atheist for the time being.
It doesn't matter how hard people are on religion and followers, as it will only cause further complications in society.
People may argue that religion starts war, and although it does, so does a lot of stuff. You can argue that it will cause the crime rate to drop. This wouldn't happen. Religion is not the source of everyone's problems -- there will always be greed, hate, and the struggle for power will rage on until the end of time (if there is an end).
Toleration = not giving a fuck = happiness.
Noah's flood, the exodus from egypt and wandering for 40 years seems to be a myth. Faith healing and prayer having any effect at all. The list goes on.
Yes because isn't that what all fucked up people would say that we must look forward to the afterlife, even though we have no idea if it exists, lets just hope for the best man. dude religion is fucked up because all it does is just produce shitty logic and is a money making business, hence the Catholic Church.
A lot of atheists (usually teenagers) seem to be very harsh on people who are religious. Seriously, get the fuck over it and respect their beliefs. If you do that, then your beliefs will probably be respected too. These militant atheists seem to be far worse than what they make out religious people to be. Tolerance and respect is the best way to go for society, because then we won't have extremist religious people wanting to harm others over their beliefs, and extremist atheists wanting to pick fights with every religious person they come across.
I respect the beliefs of others, regardless of whether they are atheists, christians, buddhists or whatever else their beliefs are. I consider myself agnostic because I don't believe at this stage we can prove the existence or lack of existence of a greater being, and I just really don't care much for that. I won't push my beliefs on to others, and I won't think of others negatively based on their beliefs. And for all I know, your beliefs are as valid as mine. Just don't push your beliefs onto myself or others.
I think it isn't particularly rational to go hard on someone who is religious, especially if from your point of view that they are indoctrinated. If someone was forced into a cult and brainwashed with crazy ideas, would you start lambasting that person for what they were brainwashed with? It would make more sense to sympathize with them. It makes little sense to claim that religion is a disease whilst hating them for their disease. This is like if someone contracted HIV and because of this, you gained an extreme hatred of the person.
Something that isn't often understood is that there is far more than meets the eye to someone's belief in a religion. Many people only do so for the social reasons, in that their family and friends are all religious, and them not breaking away would cause quite a bit of unwanted interpersonal conflict. Others may want to believe that there is an afterlife and that they will see their dead relatives again. It is important to understand that religious beliefs are hardly ever based on religious reasons.
Self knowledge isn't particularly popular and this is the defining factor in these sorts of debates. You can't convince a religious person by providing evidence and facts. Since they aren't religious because of facts and evidence, it makes most sense to help someone understand why they are religious and to pursue knowledge of the self.
If you take an anti-religious stance, it would be best to take a modified lesson from Jesus. Forgive them, for they do not know why they belief.
I myself am deeply spiritual, though I'm not exactly religious. As a Baha'i, I see all faiths (or lack thereof) as being equally important. Important probably isn't the right word to use, but I'm tired.
Tolerance is good, but in the realm of debates (this section) and science (in the professional world) religion has no leg to stand on.
We should respect everyone's choice to choose a certain belief, but that doesn't mean the beliefs themselves are suddenly immune from any sort of criticism. The main problem I have with religion is that it has the potential to make perfectly nice people believe all sorts of crazy things. I grew up surrounded by Christian family, parents, and friends, most of them very nice people. A disturbing amount of them still believe that global warming is a complete hoax, evolution is junk science, homosexuals are abominations, and I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity for not believing. I know that these kinds people aren't representatives of all religions, but the fact remains that they have a lot of power, especially in the United States.
I especially hate how kids are often indoctrinated with this stuff and threatened will hell if they don't comply.
I always get a kick when teenage atheists (like the ones here) try to "disprove" religion with science. Trying to apply science to religion complete defeats the point of science, which is to show and prove concepts humans can observe. There's no way to observe God, so trying to use science to prove or disprove God or a religion is a complete waste of time and dumb as hell.
Frankly, it's more telling that it shows they think "science" is some magical power that always reveals the truth no matter what than being fallible, just like everything else.
Trying to rationalize any religion using logic is using the wrong tool for the wrong job.
Logic is actually really handy for things like bible analysis and the like. This is just "hee hee religion people r dumb i am smarter dan them": The Post.
I prefer to decide what I believe for myself.
I, myself, cannot ever believe in a god or any faith based system.
Evidence is required before I can set an idea as fact in my head.
A classic example of this is The Theory of Evolution.
It has very strong supporting evidence to hold it up. The progress of evolution is clearly seen in fossil records. My understanding of genetics, natural selection, and adaptation help boost it. I will never say I have faith in evolution because I don't need faith, I have fact.
Creationism has very little if any fact.
Each religion says they are right. Their gods cannot be proven because their gods are of a nature that cannot be determined. While some may say that you can't prove them wrong, I say I can. Just look at the abundance of physical scientific data. Much of it debunks nearly every religion out there. Christians say the earth is 10,000 years old? We have fossils millions of years old, and rocks billions of years older than that. Radiometric dating techniques have proven this. This evidence directly contradicts most religions. The one
Some have combated this argument with "God put them there"
Where is you proof that god put them there? and please, don't point to some obscure verse in your book that says something along the lines of "Test your faith" that is not directly addressing the evidence I present you.
I think we shouldn't be harsh when we get into arguments over religion, but you should keep your arguments backed up.
You guys know I'm hard on religion because I'm the 1-2% minority in the US, regarded as the most mistrusted minority here.
Especially since, you know, I'm in Utah.
You have to be hard on religion. The major religions are very large organizations and if you give them too much slack, they'll run with it. They're big dogs that need to be kept under control.
I personally think the church would be a lot better if we actually faced some real opposition. Right now it's huge, but filled with middle-class parents who only go so that they can send their kids to a church school.
Of course you are too hard on religion. You just try to find cons with religion and you don't see the obvious pros. Religion does for instance give people a sense of fellowship and structure. Religion is also the source of each society's moral. For example, Christianity is the source of much of of the western societies' moral. You shall not steal, lie etc. Another interesting thing is that we in Sweden (I'm a Swede) have a strong work-spirit from the Lutheran moral.
Not sure if you mean people in general, or facepunch themselves, but I've been rather bothered by some "atheists" being elitist dicks to people about what they believe in until it ruins their day and they question the faith they want.
I'm unsure most of them know what belief in science means. I mostly see this on reddit's frontpage showing up from the atheism section but it happens elsewhere
I don't like religion, and I have two very good reasons why.
1. Religion has political influence
2. Religion is legal to teach children
Meaning it's not just a matter of me feeling that religion is shoving their beliefs in my face, religion is trying to influence the government to impose their beliefs on my every day life. I believe religion should have absolutely no effect on the government, but that does not change that people's political standpoints can be greatly influenced by the teachings of their religion.
What's a lot worse, is that it's legal to brainwash children with it. In Sweden it's illegal to politically influence minors, but completely legal to bring them to church and teach them about religion at an age where they are unable to question their beliefs and the things they are taught. Religion is taking advantage of their innocence and undeveloped minds, to brainwash them into blind followers that will ultimately carry the tradition on. I think it's wrong, and that religion is not a free choice when taught to someone not old enough to make their own decisions.
dexter season 5 has a good point of view towards religion
as long as the person is happy and fulfilled they can believe whatever the fuck they want