1. Post #81
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    Right, because substituting reality with your own ignorance and lack of knowledge is always the way to go...
    Can you prove or disprove God's existence?
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  2. Post #82
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    Can you prove or disprove God's existence?
    Impossible. The texts that support the Abrahamic God (the most commonly worshiped god), have set it in conditions in which it cannot be verified.
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  3. Post #83
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    Right, because substituting reality with your own ignorance and lack of knowledge is always the way to go...
    Shoving your beliefs down people's throats isn't the way to go either
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  4. Post #84
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    Can you prove or disprove God's existence?
    You can certainly come to the conclusion that god is an improbability when using logic, probability, and the knowledge we have of our universe from various scientific fields. The existence of a supernatural deity, based on our current information and understanding of the universe, is as likely as invisible imps living in your attic. Sure, maybe you can't disprove it but you can adhere to logic and come to the conclusion that the unlikeliness of such things existing is higher than their likeliness of existing.


    Shoving your beliefs down people's throats isn't the way to go either
    What do you mean? I'm not doing that...
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  5. Post #85
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    You can certainly come to the conclusion that god is an improbability when using logic, probability, and the knowledge we have of our universe from various scientific fields. The existence of a supernatural deity, based on our current information and understanding of the universe, is as likely as invisible imps living in your attic. Sure, maybe you can't disprove it but you can adhere to logic and come to the conclusion that the unlikeliness of such things existing is higher than their likeliness of existing.
    Asking someone whether they can disprove god's existence is nonsensical because it was never proven in the first place. Not only that, but like I said the book that details the supposed god's existence gives it such traits that it still could not be disproven.

    If someone believes in God (in the context of a debate, this means an assertion that a god exists), the burden of proof is on them, not Atheists.
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  6. Post #86
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    Well yes, but unfortunately most religious dogma simply feel they can interchange faith with evidence, as if your personal beliefs will all of a sudden change the very foundation of the universe, so I would say the burden (and I would say the burden of education, not proof) lies with the atheist for the time being.
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  7. Post #87
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    Well yes, but unfortunately most religious dogma simply feel they can interchange faith with evidence, as if your personal beliefs will all of a sudden change the very foundation of the universe, so I would say the burden (and I would say the burden of education, not proof) lies with the atheist for the time being.
    The idea that someone's idea is free from scrutiny or does not require substantiation (at least in order to valid) if it relies upon faith is preposterous.
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  8. Post #88
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    September 2011
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    It doesn't matter how hard people are on religion and followers, as it will only cause further complications in society.
    People may argue that religion starts war, and although it does, so does a lot of stuff. You can argue that it will cause the crime rate to drop. This wouldn't happen. Religion is not the source of everyone's problems -- there will always be greed, hate, and the struggle for power will rage on until the end of time (if there is an end).
    Toleration = not giving a fuck = happiness.
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  9. Post #89
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    It doesn't matter how hard people are on religion and followers, as it will only cause further complications in society.
    People may argue that religion starts war, and although it does, so does a lot of stuff. You can argue that it will cause the crime rate to drop. This wouldn't happen. Religion is not the source of everyone's problems -- there will always be greed, hate, and the struggle for power will rage on until the end of time (if there is an end).
    Toleration = not giving a fuck = happiness.
    This, so much this

    however, it's pretty much impossible for most people not to care
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  10. Post #90
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    What do you mean? I'm not doing that...
    It might have been the way you phrased the your statement which seemed a bit on the hostile side (to me, at least). Whether or not that was your intention, I'm not sure.
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  11. Post #91
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    It doesn't matter how hard people are on religion and followers, as it will only cause further complications in society.
    People may argue that religion starts war, and although it does, so does a lot of stuff. You can argue that it will cause the crime rate to drop. This wouldn't happen. Religion is not the source of everyone's problems -- there will always be greed, hate, and the struggle for power will rage on until the end of time (if there is an end).
    Toleration = not giving a fuck = happiness.
    Or people can be educated and learn that their personal blind faiths don't shape the universe around their beliefs and that they're really living a delusion? I'm sorry if I don't adhere to ignorance and stupidity just because debating or disputing might cause some people to feel distressed with their beliefs...
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  12. Post #92
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    Ah, yes. Someone who doesn't know that Buddhism isn't a religion.

    Religion as a concept is fine; but if you're going to be religious, don't pick and choose what to follow from your doctrine. Follow all of it or follow none of it. For example, the bible explicitly says that homosexuality is "detestable" (in both the old and the new testament!), so you can be pretty damned sure that you shouldn't be accepting it under the watch of the Lord.

    Even though that would probably deny me my marriage rights if people did that.
    Actually, just because Buddhism doesn't involve worshipping a god doesn't mean it's not a religion. It provides a set of morals to hold one's self accountable to, as all religions do.
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  13. Post #93

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    Can you prove or disprove God's existence?
    You might not be able to disprove a generic deist God, but the actual religions people follow make lots of testable claims.
    Noah's flood, the exodus from egypt and wandering for 40 years seems to be a myth. Faith healing and prayer having any effect at all. The list goes on.
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  14. Post #94
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    Yes because isn't that what all fucked up people would say that we must look forward to the afterlife, even though we have no idea if it exists, lets just hope for the best man. dude religion is fucked up because all it does is just produce shitty logic and is a money making business, hence the Catholic Church.
    no
    religion is a good thing, its culture, it may be some peoples last hope, it doesnt matter if its bullshit, the thing that matters is that it can help people, give hope. Like some people would rather live in the belief that there is afterlife.
    Whereas some people like me dont, i can deal with it, some people cant, but its no big deal.
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  15. Post #95
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    A lot of atheists (usually teenagers) seem to be very harsh on people who are religious. Seriously, get the fuck over it and respect their beliefs. If you do that, then your beliefs will probably be respected too. These militant atheists seem to be far worse than what they make out religious people to be. Tolerance and respect is the best way to go for society, because then we won't have extremist religious people wanting to harm others over their beliefs, and extremist atheists wanting to pick fights with every religious person they come across.

    I respect the beliefs of others, regardless of whether they are atheists, christians, buddhists or whatever else their beliefs are. I consider myself agnostic because I don't believe at this stage we can prove the existence or lack of existence of a greater being, and I just really don't care much for that. I won't push my beliefs on to others, and I won't think of others negatively based on their beliefs. And for all I know, your beliefs are as valid as mine. Just don't push your beliefs onto myself or others.
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  16. Post #96
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    I think it isn't particularly rational to go hard on someone who is religious, especially if from your point of view that they are indoctrinated. If someone was forced into a cult and brainwashed with crazy ideas, would you start lambasting that person for what they were brainwashed with? It would make more sense to sympathize with them. It makes little sense to claim that religion is a disease whilst hating them for their disease. This is like if someone contracted HIV and because of this, you gained an extreme hatred of the person.

    Something that isn't often understood is that there is far more than meets the eye to someone's belief in a religion. Many people only do so for the social reasons, in that their family and friends are all religious, and them not breaking away would cause quite a bit of unwanted interpersonal conflict. Others may want to believe that there is an afterlife and that they will see their dead relatives again. It is important to understand that religious beliefs are hardly ever based on religious reasons.

    Self knowledge isn't particularly popular and this is the defining factor in these sorts of debates. You can't convince a religious person by providing evidence and facts. Since they aren't religious because of facts and evidence, it makes most sense to help someone understand why they are religious and to pursue knowledge of the self.

    If you take an anti-religious stance, it would be best to take a modified lesson from Jesus. Forgive them, for they do not know why they belief.
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  17. Post #97
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    I myself am deeply spiritual, though I'm not exactly religious. As a Baha'i, I see all faiths (or lack thereof) as being equally important. Important probably isn't the right word to use, but I'm tired.
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  18. Post #98
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    A lot of atheists (usually teenagers) seem to be very harsh on people who are religious. Seriously, get the fuck over it and respect their beliefs. If you do that, then your beliefs will probably be respected too. These militant atheists seem to be far worse than what they make out religious people to be. Tolerance and respect is the best way to go for society, because then we won't have extremist religious people wanting to harm others over their beliefs, and extremist atheists wanting to pick fights with every religious person they come across.

    I respect the beliefs of others, regardless of whether they are atheists, christians, buddhists or whatever else their beliefs are. I consider myself agnostic because I don't believe at this stage we can prove the existence or lack of existence of a greater being, and I just really don't care much for that. I won't push my beliefs on to others, and I won't think of others negatively based on their beliefs. And for all I know, your beliefs are as valid as mine. Just don't push your beliefs onto myself or others.
    It isn't a matter of proving lack of existence since it was never proven to exist. The idea that an idea or a belief system is somehow exempt from criticism or scrutiny simply because it is an idea or belief system is preposterous.

    Tolerance is good, but in the realm of debates (this section) and science (in the professional world) religion has no leg to stand on.
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  19. Post #99
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    We should respect everyone's choice to choose a certain belief, but that doesn't mean the beliefs themselves are suddenly immune from any sort of criticism. The main problem I have with religion is that it has the potential to make perfectly nice people believe all sorts of crazy things. I grew up surrounded by Christian family, parents, and friends, most of them very nice people. A disturbing amount of them still believe that global warming is a complete hoax, evolution is junk science, homosexuals are abominations, and I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity for not believing. I know that these kinds people aren't representatives of all religions, but the fact remains that they have a lot of power, especially in the United States.

    I especially hate how kids are often indoctrinated with this stuff and threatened will hell if they don't comply.
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  20. Post #100
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    I always get a kick when teenage atheists (like the ones here) try to "disprove" religion with science. Trying to apply science to religion complete defeats the point of science, which is to show and prove concepts humans can observe. There's no way to observe God, so trying to use science to prove or disprove God or a religion is a complete waste of time and dumb as hell.

    Frankly, it's more telling that it shows they think "science" is some magical power that always reveals the truth no matter what than being fallible, just like everything else.
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  21. Post #101
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    Trying to rationalize any religion using logic is using the wrong tool for the wrong job.
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  22. Post #102
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    I always get a kick when teenage atheists (like the ones here) try to "disprove" religion with science. Trying to apply science to religion complete defeats the point of science, which is to show and prove concepts humans can observe. There's no way to observe God, so trying to use science to prove or disprove God or a religion is a complete waste of time and dumb as hell.

    Frankly, it's more telling that it shows they think "science" is some magical power that always reveals the truth no matter what than being fallible, just like everything else.
    No Atheist I have ever met or spoken to has suggested that science is infallible, merely that religion is not credible. I'll say it again, religion, or more specifically Abrahamic religions have made assertions through their ideas and teachings that they have not proven empirically and have made no attempt to prove empirically. To criticize it for its lack of credibility and evidence is not hateful.
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  23. Post #103
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    No Atheist I have ever met or spoken to has suggested that science is infallible, merely that religion is not credible. I'll say it again, religion, or more specifically Abrahamic religions have made assertions through their ideas and teachings that they have not proven empirically and have made no attempt to prove empirically. To criticize it for its lack of credibility and evidence is not hateful.
    You're completely misusing science. You cannot go out on the field and "prove" the teachings of the Bible because it's impossible. However, this does not mean it is a Bad Thing. Trying to use science as some benchmark for proving the existence of everything ever is dumb and misses the point of science entirely.

    Trying to rationalize any religion using logic is using the wrong tool for the wrong job.
    Logic is actually really handy for things like bible analysis and the like. This is just "hee hee religion people r dumb i am smarter dan them": The Post.
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  24. Post #104
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    Religion deserves all the bashing and criticism it gets,and even more.
    Just look at the past,all it has accomplished is suffering,death,disrespect and promoted ignorance and bigotry,slowed down scientific progress and violently silenced those who criticized religion or doubted it.
    It has also brought communities together, raised and destroyed nations. Wether you like or not , religion is not a positive nor negative force. Without it the world today would be totally different
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  25. Post #105
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    No Atheist I have ever met or spoken to has suggested that science is infallible, merely that religion is not credible. I'll say it again, religion, or more specifically Abrahamic religions have made assertions through their ideas and teachings that they have not proven empirically and have made no attempt to prove empirically. To criticize it for its lack of credibility and evidence is not hateful.
    I don't really have a problem with that. If you believe that there is nothing more to the universe than what is scientifically provable, then thatís fine. I just don't like it when I'm told that I must think that way too.
    I prefer to decide what I believe for myself.
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  26. Post #106
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    Logic is actually really handy for things like bible analysis and the like. This is just "hee hee religion people r dumb i am smarter dan them": The Post.
    I never said that lacking logic was a bad thing. Trying to rationalize or apply logic to religion is irrelevant and pointless.
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  27. Post #107
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    I, myself, cannot ever believe in a god or any faith based system.

    Evidence is required before I can set an idea as fact in my head.

    A classic example of this is The Theory of Evolution.

    It has very strong supporting evidence to hold it up. The progress of evolution is clearly seen in fossil records. My understanding of genetics, natural selection, and adaptation help boost it. I will never say I have faith in evolution because I don't need faith, I have fact.

    Creationism has very little if any fact.

    Each religion says they are right. Their gods cannot be proven because their gods are of a nature that cannot be determined. While some may say that you can't prove them wrong, I say I can. Just look at the abundance of physical scientific data. Much of it debunks nearly every religion out there. Christians say the earth is 10,000 years old? We have fossils millions of years old, and rocks billions of years older than that. Radiometric dating techniques have proven this. This evidence directly contradicts most religions. The one

    Some have combated this argument with "God put them there"

    Where is you proof that god put them there? and please, don't point to some obscure verse in your book that says something along the lines of "Test your faith" that is not directly addressing the evidence I present you.

    I think we shouldn't be harsh when we get into arguments over religion, but you should keep your arguments backed up.

    Edited:

    You're completely misusing science. You cannot go out on the field and "prove" the teachings of the Bible because it's impossible. However, this does not mean it is a Bad Thing. Trying to use science as some benchmark for proving the existence of everything ever is dumb and misses the point of science entirely.



    Logic is actually really handy for things like bible analysis and the like. This is just "hee hee religion people r dumb i am smarter dan them": The Post.
    Its not about proving something, it's about evidence and credibility. You provide an idea and say I should believe it? Where is your evidence to say that it is true? You can't? Well I say let me consider the lack of evidence, combined with the outrageousness of the idea, and make the reasonable decision that it is most likely not true.

    Edited:

    I never said that lacking logic was a bad thing. Trying to rationalize or apply logic to religion is irrelevant and pointless.
    Religion's belief system is based on faith, which is essentially the idea of believing in something without evidence. You cant apply logic directly to it. I agree with you. But what you can do is compare it to the waking world to see how it fares among the facts.
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  28. Post #108
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    You guys know I'm hard on religion because I'm the 1-2% minority in the US, regarded as the most mistrusted minority here.

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    Especially since, you know, I'm in Utah.
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  29. Post #109
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    Religion's belief system is based on faith, which is essentially the idea of believing in something without evidence. You cant apply logic directly to it. I agree with you. But what you can do is compare it to the waking world to see how it fares among the facts.
    People keep saying this and yet you ignore the fact that if it were any other sort of idea, it would not be afforded any respect. How is an idea (an idea that often carries over into the political and scientific worlds, mind you) that requires the active dismissal of any need for evidence credible or viable?

    Edited:

    You're completely misusing science. You cannot go out on the field and "prove" the teachings of the Bible because it's impossible. However, this does not mean it is a Bad Thing. Trying to use science as some benchmark for proving the existence of everything ever is dumb and misses the point of science entirely.
    But that's precisely my point. None of it was proven (referring to the Bible/Torah/Quran) in the first place, so would should I or any other person afford it the same respect as an idea that does have substantiation?
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  30. Post #110
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    You have to be hard on religion. The major religions are very large organizations and if you give them too much slack, they'll run with it. They're big dogs that need to be kept under control.
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  31. Post #111
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    You have to be hard on religion. The major religions are very large organizations and if you give them too much slack, they'll run with it. They're big dogs that need to be kept under control.
    I can agree with that.
    I personally think the church would be a lot better if we actually faced some real opposition. Right now it's huge, but filled with middle-class parents who only go so that they can send their kids to a church school.
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  32. Post #112
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    Of course you are too hard on religion. You just try to find cons with religion and you don't see the obvious pros. Religion does for instance give people a sense of fellowship and structure. Religion is also the source of each society's moral. For example, Christianity is the source of much of of the western societies' moral. You shall not steal, lie etc. Another interesting thing is that we in Sweden (I'm a Swede) have a strong work-spirit from the Lutheran moral.
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  33. Post #113
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    Not sure if you mean people in general, or facepunch themselves, but I've been rather bothered by some "atheists" being elitist dicks to people about what they believe in until it ruins their day and they question the faith they want.

    I'm unsure most of them know what belief in science means. I mostly see this on reddit's frontpage showing up from the atheism section but it happens elsewhere

    Edited:

    I always get a kick when teenage atheists (like the ones here) try to "disprove" religion with science. Trying to apply science to religion complete defeats the point of science, which is to show and prove concepts humans can observe. There's no way to observe God, so trying to use science to prove or disprove God or a religion is a complete waste of time and dumb as hell.

    Frankly, it's more telling that it shows they think "science" is some magical power that always reveals the truth no matter what than being fallible, just like everything else.
    While you are right I thought it was kinda funny describing applying religion to science as "dumb as hell"
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  34. Post #114
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    Not sure if you mean people in general, or facepunch themselves, but I've been rather bothered by some "atheists" being elitist dicks to people about what they believe in until it ruins their day and they question the faith they want.

    I'm unsure most of them know what belief in science means. I mostly see this on reddit's frontpage showing up from the atheism section but it happens elsewhere
    Well, it seems like the whole Internet community is extremely dominated by ultra atheists. Some of them aren't even in favor of religious freedom, and want to ban religion etc. I just think people should try to see the pros with religion too. When you live in a smaller village, religion can function as something which brings people together and provides them with fellowship. That shouldn't be underestimated. Fellowship is something extremely valuable to people.
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  35. Post #115
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    Not sure if you mean people in general, or facepunch themselves, but I've been rather bothered by some "atheists" being elitist dicks to people about what they believe in until it ruins their day and they question the faith they want.

    I'm unsure most of them know what belief in science means. I mostly see this on reddit's frontpage showing up from the atheism section but it happens elsewhere

    Edited:



    While you are right I thought it was kinda funny describing applying religion to science as "dumb as hell"
    The scientific method is not a belief system in the same sense as religion. Religious belief and faith in it requires an active dismissal of empirical evidence that would normally be required for something to be credible. To set up an idea in such a way that makes it unverifiable and then claim one cannot criticize it on the basis of logic is ridiculous and more often than not hypocritical.
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  36. Post #116
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    I don't like religion, and I have two very good reasons why.
    1. Religion has political influence
    2. Religion is legal to teach children

    Meaning it's not just a matter of me feeling that religion is shoving their beliefs in my face, religion is trying to influence the government to impose their beliefs on my every day life. I believe religion should have absolutely no effect on the government, but that does not change that people's political standpoints can be greatly influenced by the teachings of their religion.

    What's a lot worse, is that it's legal to brainwash children with it. In Sweden it's illegal to politically influence minors, but completely legal to bring them to church and teach them about religion at an age where they are unable to question their beliefs and the things they are taught. Religion is taking advantage of their innocence and undeveloped minds, to brainwash them into blind followers that will ultimately carry the tradition on. I think it's wrong, and that religion is not a free choice when taught to someone not old enough to make their own decisions.
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  37. Post #117
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    dexter season 5 has a good point of view towards religion

    as long as the person is happy and fulfilled they can believe whatever the fuck they want

    Edited:

    I don't like religion, and I have two very good reasons why.
    1. Religion has political influence
    2. Religion is legal to teach children

    Meaning it's not just a matter of me feeling that religion is shoving their beliefs in my face, religion is trying to influence the government to impose their beliefs on my every day life. I believe religion should have absolutely no effect on the government, but that does not change that people's political standpoints can be greatly influenced by the teachings of their religion.

    What's a lot worse, is that it's legal to brainwash children with it. In Sweden it's illegal to politically influence minors, but completely legal to bring them to church and teach them about religion at an age where they are unable to question their beliefs and the things they are taught. Religion is taking advantage of their innocence and undeveloped minds, to brainwash them into blind followers that will ultimately carry the tradition on. I think it's wrong, and that religion is not a free choice when taught to someone not old enough to make their own decisions.
    thats not the religion though thats the churches
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  38. Post #118
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    The scientific method is not a belief system in the same sense as religion. Religious belief and faith in it requires an active dismissal of empirical evidence that would normally be required for something to be credible. To set up an idea in such a way that makes it unverifiable and then claim one cannot criticize it on the basis of logic is ridiculous and more often than not hypocritical.
    I didn't mean to come off as if I was saying they were the same. I was basically meaning what Ziron was saying
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  39. Post #119
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    I never said that lacking logic was a bad thing. Trying to rationalize or apply logic to religion is irrelevant and pointless.
    A lot of religious people make this claim (god is outside of logic, so you can't disprove him with logic, etc) and then will turn around and start trying to use logic to prove god exists. That claim is a 2-way street, because if god works outside of our human reasoning, then we can't use our human reasoning to justify belief in god either.
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  40. Post #120
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    May 2007
    3,268 Posts
    A lot of religious people make this claim (god is outside of logic, so you can't disprove him with logic, etc) and then will turn around and start trying to use logic to prove god exists. That claim is a 2-way street, because if god works outside of our human reasoning, then we can't use our human reasoning to justify belief in god either.
    What you are saying is that we can't conceive of what God is or how he works. If we don't know what God is and we can't find any evidence that it exists, there is no reason to believe such a thing exists. This "God works outside of our human reasoning" argument just serves to make an unfalsifiable statement, ensuring you could never distinguish its existence from its non-existence.
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