1. Post #1
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    What do you think about vegetarians? Many people I have met are very anti-vegetarian where I live, and call vegetarians words like "faggot" and "pussy" just because they don't want to eat meat. One of my friends is a vegetarian, and he is a vegetarian not because he cares about animals, but because he just doesn't feel meat is very healthy for him and instead gets his proteins from beans, soy milk, and other vegetarian proteins. He gets a LOT of hate for it, and he is not even one of those vegetarians that are in your face with PETA signs.

    One time he got laughed at because he was at a restaurant with friends and he ordered a veggie burger. Do you think vegetarians deserve to deal with this stuff on a daily basis? Many people are against them, but I just consider them as normal people who just don't want to eat meat, I mean what is the big deal?


    (I am however against those vegetarians that shove their beliefs in your face and try to convert you. Nobody should ever do that.)

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    SigmaLambda's Avatar
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    I honestly don't get why anyone other than vegetarians should care about vegetarians but the internet gets mondo cheesed off about them for some reason.

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    If people want a diet without any meat in it that's fine, as long as they don't try to force it onto everyone else.

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    Simski's Avatar
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    I don't give a crap what other people like to eat, as long as they're not trying to convince me to stop eating what I like to eat. I had a vegetarian in my old class, she would always nag on and on about how much healthier it is to eat like her and how eating meat makes you a bad person and that we should go to a vegetarian restaurant when we went out with our class. At every possible moment, she would talk about how proud she was of being a vegetarian and how she wished the rest of the world would stop eating meat.

    Since this annoyed me to a great extent, I decided to talk a lot more about how insanely tasty meat is around her, and how horses and bunnies should only exist to become sausages.

  5. Post #5
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    I honestly don't get why anyone other than vegetarians should care about vegetarians but the internet gets mondo cheesed off about them for some reason.
    Yes I have noticed this on the internet a lot. If someone mentions they are vegetarian on the internet everyone will be all annoying about it and make fun of them. Many vegetarians that I know IRL don't like to tell people that they are vegetarian and keep it a secret kind of and only share it with people they are comfortable with.

    I don't give a crap what other people like to eat, as long as they're not trying to convince me to stop eating what I like to eat. I had a vegetarian in my old class, she would always nag on and on about how much healthier it is to eat like her and how eating meat makes you a bad person and that we should go to a vegetarian restaurant when we went out with our class.

    Since this annoyed me to a great extent, I decided to talk a lot more about how insanely tasty meat is around her, and how horses and bunnies should only exist to become sausages.
    I get what you are saying, I would be very annoyed if someone told me not to eat my meat and that it's unhealthy for me, and that it is evil etc.

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    Although we certainly eat way too much meat, eating none at all is just as stupid. It's okay for a (full grown) adult to go with a diet that excludes meat. But if they force it on to their (growing) children, who need meat as a part of their diet, they deserve a firm smack in the face.

    PETA
    Their horrible horrible anti-meat campaigns. As if some nekkid chicks with skimpy tits yelling "meat is murder" would actually stop me from enjoying my steak.

  7. Post #7
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    peta can fuck off

    normal vegetablearians are cool though unless they bitch at my eating habits, which is rare because i don't know any angsty 14 year olds or Morrissey.

    i'm happy to go to vegetarian restraunts and although i fucking love meat i guess i could go without it (although i would be very sad)

  8. Post #8
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    Although we certainly eat way too much meat, eating none at all is just as stupid.
    I don't agree with the second part. I am not vegetarian but I have read a lot about it, and asked nutritionists about it and you can get all the nutrients that are in meat from other vegetarian products (not stupid fake meats that are horrible for you, I mean legumes, beans, peas, etc.)

    The only vitamin you can't get is Vitamin B12, which you can however get from milk and dairy products (and eggs). I don't know how vegans get their B12 though. They are a whole different story.

    Of course eating a normal amount of meat is just as healthy as eating no meat in my views. Over-eating meat is proven to be very unhealthy, but too much of anything is unhealthy so whatever :D

    Also I would like to say that PETA are pieces of shit.

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    I always felt vegans were a bit silly but I have no issue with vegetarians. I've tried living on soy etc for a while but it wasn't my cup of tea, too much effort for something that tastes pretty much the same. If a vegetarian wants to bitch at me eating meat in their presence they could have warned me beforehand or they should just deal with it, I'm not going to change my eating habits because someone complains at me.

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    There really is no reason to eat meat other than the taste, since it's much more expensive than the vegetables that could easily replace the nutrient values of the meat.

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    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    There really is no reason to eat meat other than the taste, since it's much more expensive than the vegetables that could easily replace the nutrient values of the meat.
    One could argue that it is simpler to get proteins from meat because it's just quick and easy. Throw a chicken breast in the oven and you have 20g of protein right away. Vegetarian dishes take much more preparation (unless you like shoving tons of kidney beans in your mouth right out of the can.)

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    We have very little reason to not be vegetarians. Pretty much all of the arguments for meat eating are totally redundant and silly, whereas a lot of arguments for vegetarianism are incredibly valid. I regret the fact that I eat meat and basically accept the fact that I'm being immoral in doing so. However presuming I have children, I'll definitely raise them to be vegetarians (I won't enforce it, which is to say if they want meat I'll let them, but I won't by default give them meat).

  13. Post #13
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    January 2012
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    I always felt vegans were a bit silly
    Vegans mostly do their thing because they feel sorry for animals, but I just don't believe vegan is the healthiest way to live... you have to have some way of getting vitamin B12, and by being vegan the only way is through supplements, which is unnatural. I wouldn't want to shove supplements down my throat just to get through life with enough vitamins. Dairy is a good vitamin B12 source.

    If someone finds that what I am saying is wrong, feel free to show me that you don't need supplements for B12 as a vegan. I am interested in this subject.

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    Rad McCool's Avatar
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    If people want a diet without any meat in it that's fine, as long as they don't try to force it onto everyone else.
    I don't give a crap what other people like to eat, as long as they're not trying to convince me to stop eating what I like to eat.
    normal vegetablearians are cool though unless they bitch at my eating habits
    Don't you guys have any balls? How about standing up for your reasons to eat meat and not be afraid of having an argument?
    You're just looking for reasons to piss on vegetarians.

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    Vegans mostly do their thing because they feel sorry for animals
    I had a vegan neighbor once, she even fed her dog only vegan food. Dog always looked unwell and had zero energy (meanwhile our dogs thrive on bones & raw meat).
    I'm not insinuating that all vegans are like this or anything, but feeling sorry for animals but owning animals yourself and letting them eat meat is pretty hypocritical. Yeah, it's natural, but it's also natural for humans to be omnivores. Our diet doesn't have to contain meat, but does the diet of a dog? Yet, some nutcases actually feed their dog celery and they suffer for it.
    I forgot what I was going to say halfway through the post.

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    My sister is a vegetarian, and she's nice. Hell, she gives me gas money all the time.

  17. Post #17
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    My sister is a vegetarian, and she's nice. Hell, she gives me gas money all the time.
    Has your family ever given her shit over her beliefs or do they support it or are they just neutral? Many veggies that I meet where I live have families that don't support their decision and ridicule them for it

  18. Post #18
    Crom's Avatar
    February 2012
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    lately, i'm starting to think vegetarians are growing to be a strange fad, the amount of people calling themselves vegetarians but claiming to eat fish is perplexing to me. maybe fish is a whole 'nother argument in itself, but its hard too see a vegetarian and not think their a flaming 'tard with the weirdness of how they come to terms with their "vegetarian-i-ness", not to mention how biased we are against the disgusting and ashaming nature of PETA. i honestly consider plants living things too, so the whole "its for the animals D: " just falls deaf too me.

  19. Post #19
    dogfood123's Avatar
    January 2012
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    the amount of people calling themselves vegetarians but claiming to eat fish is perplexing to me.
    Yes these are called pescatarians. They are usually considered "Mostly-vegetarian" but I don't classify them with vegetarians because they eat fish, which is a meat.

    i honestly consider plants living things too, so the whole "its for the animals D: " just falls deaf too me.
    It's good that you brought up this argument. I used to think about that all the time and when I mentioned it to a vegan they said that plants don't have a nervous system and don't feel pain, so it's okay to eat them or something.

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    Several people I know are vegetarians, some are self-righteous jerks who think they're better than everyone else.

    Some of them eat fish and chicken and still call themselves vegetarians. I mean, really? I know it's technically a type of vegetarianism but you might as well just eat pork too because that's also white meat.

    One of the self-righteous ones in my old class wouldn't eat the fish at school and blamed it on her vegetarianism. However, when there were fish sticks she suddenly wasn't THAT much of a vegetarian any more.

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    It's good that you brought up this argument. I used to think about that all the time and when I mentioned it to a vegan they said that plants don't have a nervous system and don't feel pain, so it's okay to eat them or something.
    That is very silly, you could kill a cow instantly so it wouldn't feel any pain, and yet they'd claim it's not vegan.

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    lately, i'm starting to think vegetarians are growing to be a strange fad, the amount of people calling themselves vegetarians but claiming to eat fish is perplexing to me. maybe fish is a whole 'nother argument in itself, but its hard too see a vegetarian and not think their a flaming 'tard with the weirdness of how they come to terms with their "vegetarian-i-ness", not to mention how biased we are against the disgusting and ashaming nature of PETA. i honestly consider plants living things too, so the whole "its for the animals D: " just falls deaf too me.
    everyone in the whole world considers plants as living things. the argument is that butchering animals causes avoidable suffering. plants don't feel pain. animals do.

    Edited:

    It's good that you brought up this argument. I used to think about that all the time and when I mentioned it to a vegan they said that plants don't have a nervous system and don't feel pain, so it's okay to eat them or something.
    Do you really think the argument is that absurd? If you believe intentionally causing avoidable pain is morally wrong, you're doing something at least of some moral detriment (unless you're aware of the animal's treatment/death and know it to be free of suffering which is incredibly unlikely).

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    January 2012
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    That is very silly, you could kill a cow instantly so it wouldn't feel any pain, and yet they'd claim it's not vegan.

    They use the argument that cows are living, thinking creatures that are aware that they are there and have emotions and feelings, whereas plants are just plants. There are studies that show that plants do have some type of feeling however.

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    That is very silly, you could kill a cow instantly so it wouldn't feel any pain, and yet they'd claim it's not vegan.
    erm

    Because it's still meat. A cow is still a cow even if it's treated well.

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    Don't you guys have any balls? How about standing up for your reasons to eat meat and not be afraid of having an argument?
    You're just looking for reasons to piss on vegetarians.
    I eat it because it's fucking delicious and because it's simply naive to assume that you can convince everyone in the world to stop eating meat and therefor you not eating meat does not mean any less animals will be visiting the slaughterhouse anytime soon. Furthermore, it's really fucking bothersome to make food without meat. You have to plan your meals much further to get all the necessary nutrients, and you won't have a lot of options when visiting restaurants. Plus, I just think a lot of vegetables just tastes awful.

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    Crom's Avatar
    February 2012
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    There are studies that show that plants do have some type of feeling however.
    This was based on bad studies, and is classified as "paranormal" despite the studies

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    I eat it because it's fucking delicious and because it's simply naive to assume that you can convince everyone in the world to stop eating meat and therefor you not eating meat does not mean any less animals will be visiting the slaughterhouse anytime soon. Furthermore, it's really fucking bothersome to make food without meat. You have to plan your meals much further to get all the necessary nutrients, and you won't have a lot of options when visiting restaurants. Plus, I just think a lot of vegetables just tastes awful.
    So your minor convenience is has more moral value than the life of a being with beliefs and desires, an emotional life, memory, and the ability to initiate action in pursuit of goals?

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    So your minor convenience is has more moral value than the life of a being with beliefs and desires, an emotional life, memory, and the ability to initiate action in pursuit of goals?
    Hell yes, that's what makes them so delicious

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    I have a friend who used to be a vegetarian. He never pushed it in people's faces or tried to make us feel guilty for eating meat. We managed to convert him with a barbequed sausage (We didn't force him, it was his choice).

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    February 2012
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    What do you think about vegetarians? Many people I have met are very anti-vegetarian where I live, and call vegetarians words like "faggot" and "pussy" just because they don't want to eat meat. One of my friends is a vegetarian, and he is a vegetarian not because he cares about animals, but because he just doesn't feel meat is very healthy for him and instead gets his proteins from beans, soy milk, and other vegetarian proteins. He gets a LOT of hate for it, and he is not even one of those vegetarians that are in your face with PETA signs.

    One time he got laughed at because he was at a restaurant with friends and he ordered a veggie burger. Do you think vegetarians deserve to deal with this stuff on a daily basis? Many people are against them, but I just consider them as normal people who just don't want to eat meat, I mean what is the big deal?


    (I am however against those vegetarians that shove their beliefs in your face and try to convert you. Nobody should ever do that.)
    VEGETARIANS ARE PUSSIES.

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    So your minor convenience is has more moral value than the life of a being with beliefs and desires, an emotional life, memory, and the ability to initiate action in pursuit of goals?
    That's nature. If we didn't breed cows to eat and milk they would probably just die off anyway.

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    January 2012
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    VEGETARIANS ARE PUSSIES.
    Are there any reasons for you calling vegetarians pussies? or did you just decide that when you heard there were people who didn't eat meat, you just said to yourself "hey, those guys are fuckin pussies!"

    That's nature. If we didn't breed cows to eat and milk they would probably just die off anyway.
    A youtube video maker by the name "TheAmazingAtheist" did make this point on one of his videos on vegetarians and I thought it was a good one. It is true that if humans didn't mass breed chickens, pigs, lambs, cows, etc. they would be very low in number. The only reason that they are this high in number right now is because humans are making them reproduce A LOT.

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    That's nature. If we didn't breed cows to eat and milk they would probably just die off anyway.
    Rape's natural. Natural =/= morally permissible.

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    Rape's natural. Natural =/= morally permissible.
    Well we don't really rape them before we eat them, unless we're talking about that infamous restaurant in china.

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    Crom's Avatar
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    That's nature. If we didn't breed cows to eat and milk they would probably just die off anyway.
    Like the Deer did! living out in the wild and being one with the ecosystem is just a plan for a swift and sound destruction!

    A youtube video maker by the name "TheAmazingAtheist" did make this point on one of his videos on vegetarians and I thought it was a good one. It is true that if humans didn't mass breed chickens, pigs, lambs, cows, etc. they would be very low in number. The only reason that they are this high in number right now is because humans are making them reproduce A LOT.
    TheAmazingAtheist is not even credited amongst atheists

  36. Post #36
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    Well we don't really rape them before we eat them,
    That wasn't the point of my counterexample. I was illustrating that appealing to nature is not sufficient to demonstrate an act is morally permissible.

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    That wasn't the point of my counterexample. I was illustrating that appealing to nature is not sufficient to demonstrate an act is morally permissible.
    Moral is in the eyes of the beholder.

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    Moral is in the eyes of the beholder.
    oh


    so because a rapist doesn't see anything wrong with rape, it's morally permissible for him?

    Edited:

    anyone have any objections to this?

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    dogfood123's Avatar
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    TheAmazingAtheist is not even credited amongst atheists
    Yeah but he does make some funny and interesting videos. I don't watch his channel because he is atheist or whatever, I just watch for the content.