No I was talking about the original theory that started this thread. Just out of curiosity.
Oh holy shit he did post his papers and look at the bullshit right on the first page:
Niels H. Harrit-1
Steven E. Jones-3 (this guy also believes the Haiti earthquake was artificial)
Kevin R. Ryan-4
Frank M. Legge-5
James R. Gourley-7
Bradley R. Larsen-3
1-Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
2-Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602, USA
3-S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, 84606, USA
4-9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN 47401, USA
5-Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia
6-Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA 94704, USA
7-International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX 75231, USA
3 9/11 Truth group members, yep this looks nice already.
They then go on to say how they found material that ignites at a lower temperature than normal thermite, they explain how nano-thermite works, where it is produced, etc. YET, they NEVER mention that it's nano-thermite in the whole damn paper. All they do is compare the material they found to nano-thermite and say that it could be nano-thermite but they never actually prove that it is nano-thermite.
It's just a bunch of bullshit all dodging the question.
There's also the beautiful references page at the end of the PDF that just refers to 9/11 truth websites, making more than half of the paper total bullshit.
Even if it did accuse for nano-thermite, do they have the samples they collected(years after 9/11 might I add) so the scientific community can look at them?
Contesting it in such a fashion just makes you biased, because if you want to do that, you should do it for both sides AKA NIST doesn't even acknowledge molten steel ever to have existed. How can this be if there are numerous pieces of evidence, like that now famous big ball block of molten steel and cement? or even the video footage of steel dripping from the WTC? or fireman just saying it all just looked like a foundry?
Plus in the video i linked, there are mentioned 3 independent AND separate investigations, so 3 more than NIST ever did. There must have been over 60 experts in that video alone, and you look to discredit one, now on to the other 59. Besides, you should look to contact the group, in order to try and access the samples, if you in particular, are interested. Rambling that its not in the open or at the museum isn't going to help your cause is it.
But i do believe that anything that goes against what you were told must be a lie, formulated by a couple of people living in a basement.
"NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."
The impact of the plane and it's projected collection of debris is suggests this to be the case.
It was just a flashlight Rescue Workers were using to search through the rubble.
Alot of the other 'evidence' of molten steel are either doctored or completely taken out of context.
No, that is not the one i ment. I will look for it and come edit this post in a bit. I never even seen that documentary, seems its highly targetted as being "truthers" source.
Ok so this is the NIST lead engineer i was "quoting" when they say it wasn't ever even found:
He doesn't dismiss it as Alluminium either.
Ok and this is the Block:
Thumbnail displays the block. Watch the entire video or look in 1:20 for that bit. Firemen also present in 1:05 talking about this eventual "molten steel". The video in itself just keeps pouring witnesses that saw the molten steel. Plus, fires that lasted for 8 weeks.
Care to proceed with the explanation. You seem like an educated person, so im interested in what you have to say about it.
There is no motive behind 9/11 being an inside job. If it was an inside job, the planners would have been so intelligent to fool everyone for so long, yet they had absolutely no motive for the attack.
BUT, that in itself is a whole other story, and please lets disregard all of it for now. That is not the issue at hand here, not at the moment. Just molten steel.
Also, no plan is perfect. There are always going to be holes somewhere, they can't hide a buildings controlled demolition in an uncontrollable environment (eg cameras and recordings everywhere).
Can't embed when linking to a specific time in the video.
There's another part in the video, not sure what time where they said it is military grade nano-thermite that could only be made in a laboratory.
And of course all the metal wasn't kept long either, so another investigation couldn't take place.
And I said military grade, don't know if it was the US military.
Nano-Thermite exists in extremely hostile enviorments. Like canuhearme said, an aircraft smashing into a building at a high speed would be the perfect plan. And the girders didn't melt, structural weakness would occur at even moderate-high temperatures.
Also they ignored the arguments of there being molten steel burning for weeks because that's simply an insane argument. There's no way steel can remain liquefied at ground level for a period of days without a constant external energy source. Just because you're a witness (even an intelligent one) doesn't make your telling of events carry the weight of fact.
Furthermore to go back to the "in a lab" argument. They produce it the same way you make other munitions, mass produced, it's just the demand is so small they only produce around 100 kilograms a month of the stuff.
Also, I don't see why you have to emphasize the thing can only be produced in a lab. Just because it requires exotic conditions does not mean it can't occur naturally given the exotic conditions are met. Hell, they've found natural nuclear fission going on in certain parts of the world. And if an airplane smashing into a building emulates damn near perfectly the dynamic gas-phase condensation method (the most common way to produce nano-thermite) then you'd expect nano-thermite at the scene.
I wonder why there was an investigation at all. Its all so clear that it was all planes.
Wait but WTC 7 never took a plane in it. But NIST still didn't investigate. Makes perfect sense, i am clarified now.
So you're saying the firemen and others who witnessed the molten steel are insane?
And again as they said in the video, NANO thermite couldn't have formed naturally.
Nano-thermite can't be formed "naturally" because the conditions needed for it are by their nature unnatural. Are you implying a jet fuel fire with molten aluminum and steel intermingling is natural?
So nothing happened to damage WTC7? Nothing even fell on it?
An example of this, just on a massively larger scale is the coal mine fires in Centralia, Pennsylvania. The fires below are burning hot, but only produce visible flames or smoke when exposed to air (which is also a reason it's been kept so hot for so long, since the thing's oxygen choked and surrounded by soil/stone it's well insulated.)
Which, when you look at it, also makes plenty of sense, because WTC 3 4 5 AND 6, all took with debris, were closer to the 1 & 2 towers, got partially destroyed, yet non of them collapsed not in 6.5 seconds, or 6.5 hours, or 6.5 days. Not as of Febuary 15, 2012 at least. And they gone now aswell.
So no need for an investigation. It was obvious why it fell.
All I know is that there is a lot we don't know, but I don't want to come to any conclusions without actually knowing what happened.
And you are instigating the theory yourself. "Metal does a damn fine job at keeping heat" ?
So why wasn't that investigated. Where is all the heat coming from. Must have been planes and their fuel burning for months on end? i don't have a degree in physics, or anything of the sort, im just the common citizen looking to form an educated opinion, and all i get are people that didn't investigate a damn thing on the official side of it, and on the other people that actually did and said non of this would have been possible unless it was done under special conditions.
So investigation vs no investigation. I will always take the first.
Someone learned how to use Photoshop.
Done to cover the REAL truth, and by people living in a basement, and...i forgot the rest you think of them.
Because those videos DO NOT show NIST lead investigator(s) being caught in their own lies. Just poorly edited stuff to try and make them look like phonies.
I wonder if the girl from texas is going to win dancing with the stars...
My uncle, aunt and cousin died on one of those planes.
Don't try to say that the planes didn't exist.