1. Post #161
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    Dennab
    July 2010
    22,111 Posts
    In third world countries it is very much over populated, why do you think China has been taking extreme measures to keep it's population down?
    This is a fallacy. Malthusian ideas have been soundly disproven since the early 19th century.
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  2. Post #162
    Wet Birds
    Levithan's Avatar
    September 2005
    8,064 Posts
    The Abomination refuses to reply to my argument, I have won and there is no reason to carry on.

    This is how debating works.
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  3. Post #163
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    The Abomination refuses to reply to my argument, I have won and there is no reason to carry on.

    This is how debating works.
    Well he's obviously on a high horse. Anyone who throws in a good retort he just seems to respond with, "You're ignorant, I'm right."
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  4. Post #164
    Ask me about my .gif fetish
    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
    3,594 Posts
    I think he's obviously a troll
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  5. Post #165
    Oh no, what have I done!
    milkandcooki's Avatar
    November 2007
    21,788 Posts
    I think he's obviously a troll
    He's just stupid.
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  6. Post #166
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    Dennab
    July 2010
    22,111 Posts
    The Abomination refuses to reply to my argument, I have won and there is no reason to carry on.

    This is how debating works.
    I'm still going to hug a man whenever you like it or not.

    Hah!

    Can't stop me from hugging men!

    How about I go a step further to make you more uneasy!
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  7. Post #167
    Mr. Creeper's Avatar
    March 2011
    331 Posts
    The Abomination refuses to reply to my argument, I have won and there is no reason to carry on.

    This is how debating works.
    I am glad you see things my way. Now we can put a end to this thread and conclude that it is wrong to be gay and only straight people are correct! What a brillant end.

    (User was banned for this post ("Trolling / Homophobic" - Craptasket))
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  8. Post #168
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    September 2011
    2,203 Posts
    I honestly don't see what the problem is with gays. A few of my friends happen to be gay, and I'm perfectly fine with that. It's a lifestyle choice, and although others may not agree with it, they have the right to be treated like everyone else regardless of their sexual preference. The only reason people would think otherwise is mainly because of the ignorance that they were taught by their religion(s) or family upbringings.
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  9. Post #169
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    I honestly don't see what the problem is with gays. A few of my friends happen to be gay, and I'm perfectly fine with that. It's a lifestyle choice, and although others may not agree with it, they have the right to be treated like everyone else regardless of their sexual preference. The only reason people would think otherwise is mainly because of the ignorance that they were taught by their religion(s) or family upbringings.
    I'm glad you are fine with gays, but please don't call it a choice.
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  10. Post #170
    Katra804's Avatar
    September 2011
    2,203 Posts
    I'm glad you are fine with gays, but please don't call it a choice.
    Didn't mean anything when I said that, it's just how I see it.
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  11. Post #171
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    Didn't mean anything when I said that, it's just how I see it.
    When did you choose to be straight?
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  12. Post #172
    Katra804's Avatar
    September 2011
    2,203 Posts
    When did you choose to be straight?
    I'm not going to discuss my own sexuality, that business is my own. I was just making a statement based off of what I was reading in this thread and how ignorant some people can be.
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  13. Post #173
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    Splarg!'s Avatar
    September 2005
    2,429 Posts
    I'm not going to discuss my own sexuality, that business is my own. I was just making a statement based off of what I was reading in this thread and how ignorant some people can be.
    Not trying to be hostile, but what did you mean when you said lifestyle choice?
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  14. Post #174
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    It's not that complicated. If you discover that you have "feelings" for people of the same sex, you can choose to encourage or discourage those feelings by a number of ways - including coming out and submitting to a lifestyle, that while being stereotypical, does exist.

    Being gay today is more than just the technical aspects of it. Labeling yourself as homo, bi, or hetero will greatly affect the way the world looks at you, and thus will probably in some way affect the way you feel. So being gay or not is a choice to some degree.
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  15. Post #175
    If someone calls you a whore, salute them!
    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    I'm not going to discuss my own sexuality, that business is my own. I was just making a statement based off of what I was reading in this thread and how ignorant some people can be.
    It's a rhetorical question.

    I doubt you chose your sexuality, just like how I didn't choose to be homosexual. That was the point I was trying to make.

    Seriously, who in their right mind would freely choose to be treated as lesser beings and not be given rights?
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  16. Post #176
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Seriously, who in their right mind would freely choose to be treated as lesser beings and not be given rights?
    Because it's fun, experimentation, low confidence, to feel special, can't get along with girls, to be rebellious.
    In some developed countries you don't even have to sacrifice any rights.
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  17. Post #177
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    June 2007
    5,573 Posts
    This just in.

    Gays suck.

    It's a known fact.

    (User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Autumn))
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  18. Post #178
    I play the electric violin on desolation row
    Fkpuz Version 1's Avatar
    March 2005
    2,578 Posts
    So being gay or not is a choice to some degree.
    I'm a male who is attracted to women. I had literally no choice in this. Not long after turning 11 I was all over dem' ass and titties. I imagine it is the same for many gay people right? If so, is it still a choice?
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  19. Post #179
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Yes I think so.
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  20. Post #180
    I play the electric violin on desolation row
    Fkpuz Version 1's Avatar
    March 2005
    2,578 Posts
    Yes I think so.
    Was my heterosexuality a choice? I mean I guess I could start boning dudes but I'm not attracted to them.
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  21. Post #181
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    I don't think it's impossible for you to learn to appreciate another man (/woman) sexually.
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  22. Post #182
    I play the electric violin on desolation row
    Fkpuz Version 1's Avatar
    March 2005
    2,578 Posts
    I don't think it's impossible for you to learn to appreciate another man (/woman) sexually.
    I think I understand. We're using the word choice in different ways and perhaps I'm just using it incorrectly if we're getting technical. A lot of things are a choice in that sense. I think I could choose to get sexually attracted to ankles, feet, or cocks. I would need to have some sexual experiences with them first though right? And it would probably take more than one or two goes to get a deep rooted sexual feeling for something. But eventually maybe I would get some kind of a fetish for this.

    But I would be incredibly hesitant of doing so, even in a society dominated by homosexuals because it is not immediately pleasing for me. In fact it wouldn't be pleasing for me at all. So I would continue to be a heterosexual. I didn't inherently choose to be strictly heterosexual but I'm choosing to continue to be one every day. In the most technical use of the word "choice" I choose nearly everything. But I didn't actively choose to be a heterosexual at first, I chose not to change my natural urges.

    So you would agree that I have no choice in my original sexuality? But your argument is that I could potentially have a choice to change it if I really wanted to?
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  23. Post #183
    Sour Grapes
    Bengley's Avatar
    March 2007
    4,701 Posts
    I'm gay. I didn't choose to be gay, it just happened. I could try and fancy women, but that would be difficult, much like a straight man trying to fancy men.

    Doesn't happen I'm afraid.
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  24. Post #184
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    It obviously isn't applicable to everyone, but it does happen. Trust me.

    It's not like it makes any difference anyway. Why some people are gay is completely irrelevant imo.
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  25. Post #185
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    October 2007
    15,090 Posts
    I'm a male who is attracted to women. I had literally no choice in this. Not long after turning 11 I was all over dem' ass and titties. I imagine it is the same for many gay people right? If so, is it still a choice?
    Am I the only one who didn't suddenly become attracted to a certain sex?
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  26. Post #186
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    It obviously isn't applicable to everyone, but it does happen. Trust me.

    It's not like it makes any difference anyway. Why some people are gay is completely irrelevant imo.
    You just can't just say "trust me" in a debate. Provide evidence to support your claims.
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  27. Post #187
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    Mr._N's Avatar
    July 2006
    4,879 Posts
    This just in.

    Gays suck.

    It's a known fact.
    You just want to cause a shit storm every where you go, don't you?
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  28. Post #188
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    You just can't just say "trust me" in a debate. Provide evidence to support your claims.
    I take it you don't agree with me? It's not like you have evidence for the contrary - which is a far more radical view.
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  29. Post #189
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    Rents's Avatar
    January 2012
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    I take it you don't agree with me? It's not like you have evidence for the contrary - which is a far more radical view.
    You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.
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  30. Post #190
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    Just to clear things up a little...

    Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age.

    Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
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  31. Post #191
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    And what would such evidence even look like? What are you expecting?
    I feel like I've explained my reasoning thoroughly already.
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  32. Post #192
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.
    This.

    There's this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...nce.psychology

    Basically it says that homosexual men/heterosexual women have similarly shaped brains, and homosexual females/heterosexual men have similar brains to each other. It's not definitive evidence, but it is good evidence to show support to the theory that you are born gay or straight.

    And if you want further evidence, I'm gay and I did not choose to be this way.

    Your turn, skippy.
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  33. Post #193
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age.

    Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
    Nobody knows this - certainly not you. Why can't there be a specific gene that determines sexuality, when there are genes for practically everything else concerning your body?
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  34. Post #194
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
    13,804 Posts
    Just to clear things up a little...

    Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age.

    Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
    No. You don't adopt being sexually attracted to a certain gender. That's bullshit. If that were true, then any child that was adopted by a same sex couple would be gay themselves and they are not.
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  35. Post #195
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    Nobody knows this - certainly not you. Why can't there be a specific gene that determines sexuality, when there are genes for practically everything else concerning your body?
    Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.
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  36. Post #196
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
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    Man you have completely misunderstood me.
    I do not disagree with any of this, nor do I see how it would be evidence against my claim.

    Edited:

    You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture).
    This doesn't make a lick of sense.
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  37. Post #197
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    July 2006
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    This doesn't make a lick of sense.
    He's going for the nature vs. nurture argument.
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  38. Post #198
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    T-Sonar.0's Avatar
    July 2007
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    Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.
    Uh no. Everything about you, as a person, is influenced both from nature and nurture. And while the top about nature vs. nurture is controversial, there's evidence that nature tends be to a little more dominant over a person.

    No one can force you to like the same sex.

    You aren't born believing a certain religion. That has to be taught and influenced to you by others. That's nurture.

    You are born with your sexuality set. Even if you are taught to hate homosexuals and shit, the person may end up later realizing he's homosexual. Of course he's going to preach against it because of nurture and date women, but he'll be unhappy.

    Edited:

    He's going for the nature vs. nurture argument.
    Yeah but he seems to think only nurture exists.
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  39. Post #199
    umm wtf's Avatar
    October 2010
    238 Posts
    Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.
    Then why are there still gays in countries like South Africa, where the culture is incredibly anti-gay?
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  40. Post #200
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    Rents's Avatar
    January 2012
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    Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.
    No, that's not how it works.

    You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.
    I end up telling people this in every thread in this section that I follow.
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