1. Post #1
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    January 2011
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    Other thread was locked, continue debate in here.

    Hello, today I am here to discuss the "most awful thing to walk our planet",

    the Gays.

    What is my opinion on them?
    They're humans. They're like us and in my opinion they should be treated as if they were no different. Who they like should not conflict with how you treat them (respect wise, as if you were to treat a gay navy officer the same as a straight navy officer). This debate has been going on in threads like "same-sex marriage", but I think this is more specific on the one homosexuality concept.

    I believe we should treat gay's as if nothing were different about them.

    Give me your opinion, Facepunch.

    (sorry, title mess up, didn't read it. should be "what's wrong with them")
    Really, guys, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals.
    (this thread is for general debate on why they're so commonly hated, what's wrong with them, ect)


    fuck i swear is it their or there i'm terrible when it comes to grammar + titles
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  2. Post #2
    Mudbone's Avatar
    August 2007
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    Is it really necessary to debate. I don't see facepunch as having a big conservative christian population so who would really oppose your statement?
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  3. Post #3
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    Is it really necessary to debate. I don't see facepunch as having a big conservative christian population so who would really oppose your statement?
    Go to the old thread and see how many people disagree with each other.
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  4. Post #4
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    Elecbullet's Avatar
    November 2007
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    Is it really necessary to debate. I don't see facepunch as having a big conservative christian population so who would really oppose your statement?
    99% of us are far from your typical Christian Conservative but our opinions still differ greatly.
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  5. Post #5
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    Is it really necessary to debate. I don't see facepunch as having a big conservative christian population so who would really oppose your statement?
    Religion does not necessarily indicate homophobia/homophobic attitudes. See: Russia and Japan.
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  6. Post #6
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    Christian Conservative here

    gays are bad m'kay
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  7. Post #7
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    March 2011
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    If there's nothing wrong with gays, how about we allow pedophiles to violate our children.

    Say hello to Father John and his boyfriend



    (User was banned for this post ("This isn't how you post in Mass Debate" - Swebonny))
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  8. Post #8
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    September 2011
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    As with all people, I don't mind them.
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  9. Post #9
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    If there's nothing wrong with gays, how about we allow pedophiles to violate our children.

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    There's a difference between being pedophile and child rapist, just saiyan.
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  10. Post #10
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    I'm wondering if half the people in this thread so far are serious or not.
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  11. Post #11
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    There's a difference between being pedophile and child rapist, just saiyan.
    yeah, pedophiles can't help being the way they are
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  12. Post #12
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    March 2011
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    yeah, pedophiles can't help being the way they are
    Also the child may want to be with the pedophile.
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  13. Post #13
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    yeah, pedophiles can't help being the way they are
    I don't think I will ever find myself respecting pedophiles beyond admitting they have a serious mental disorder.
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  14. Post #14
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    Also the child may want to be with the pedophile.
    One could argue that children don't have to mental capacity to make such decisions, and that child molesters take advantage of this.
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    I don't think I will ever find myself respecting pedophiles beyond admitting they have a serious mental disorder.
    A serious mental disorder according to modern society. Throughout many other periods of history common things today in the past would be seen as mental disorders, or vice versa.
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  16. Post #16
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    I don't think I will ever find myself respecting pedophiles beyond admitting they have a serious mental disorder.
    The same could be said about homosexuals by some.
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  17. Post #17
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    The same could be said about homosexuals by some.
    The argument against pedophilia is that it causes those effected by it to be attracted to those who may lack the capacity to make a good decision, thus being taken advantage of.

    This argument cannot be made against homosexuality, it is two consenting adults.
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  18. Post #18
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    The argument against pedophilia is that it causes those effected by it to be attracted to those who may lack the capacity to make a good decision, thus being taken advantage of.

    This argument cannot be made against homosexuality, it is two consenting adults.
    You're making the mistake of believing all pedophiles are child molesters, and that simply isn't the case.
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  19. Post #19
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    pedophilia =/= homosexuality
    child rapist =/= homosexuality
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  20. Post #20
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    April 2009
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    The only thing that bugs me is how quickly they label someone a bigot.

    In high school, a few gay couples used to go up in the middle of the school and make out. No, not just make out, that's an understatement, they were dry humping basically against the walls, grabbing each others asses and shoving their tongues down eachother's throats, girls were kissing the top of eachother's tits and the guys were grabbing eachother's junk. I asked them to stop, save it for the bedroom or just go somewhere else to do it. They quickly labelled me a bigot and told me I was promoting hate. I've told the same thing to straight couples all the time there.

    Just because your different does not give you the ability to go do that shit in front of people. I have no problem with gays, but when they use it as a defense for their behavior and then label people hate promoters, then it's crossed the line. You fight so hard to be treated like everyone else, then you receive the treatment and claim it's hate.
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    The only thing that bugs me is how quickly they label someone a bigot.

    In high school, a few gay couples used to go up in the middle of the school and make out. No, not just make out, that's an understatement, they were dry humping basically against the walls, grabbing each others asses and shoving their tongues down eachother's throats, girls were kissing the top of eachother's tits and the guys were grabbing eachother's junk. I asked them to stop, save it for the bedroom or just go somewhere else to do it. They quickly labelled me a bigot and told me I was promoting hate. I've told the same thing to straight couples all the time there.

    Just because your different does not give you the ability to go do that shit in front of people. I have no problem with gays, but when they use it as a defense for their behavior and then label people hate promoters, then it's crossed the line. You fight so hard to be treated like everyone else, then you receive the treatment and claim it's hate.
    I do the same and that also happens at my school. Just because you're gay doesn't give you the right to fuck in public while a straight couple can be disgraced for it.
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  22. Post #22
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    The only thing that bugs me is how quickly they label someone a bigot.

    In high school, a few gay couples used to go up in the middle of the school and make out. No, not just make out, that's an understatement, they were dry humping basically against the walls, grabbing each others asses and shoving their tongues down eachother's throats, girls were kissing the top of eachother's tits and the guys were grabbing eachother's junk. I asked them to stop, save it for the bedroom or just go somewhere else to do it. They quickly labelled me a bigot and told me I was promoting hate. I've told the same thing to straight couples all the time there.

    Just because your different does not give you the ability to go do that shit in front of people. I have no problem with gays, but when they use it as a defense for their behavior and then label people hate promoters, then it's crossed the line. You fight so hard to be treated like everyone else, then you receive the treatment and claim it's hate.
    Unless they're in your way, I don't see why you should care in the first place.
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  23. Post #23
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    A serious mental disorder according to modern society. Throughout many other periods of history common things today in the past would be seen as mental disorders, or vice versa.
    I'm not disgusted by pedophiles, but by those that have no self-control and become child molesters.

    Being a pedophile is not some horrible disorder, no more than someone getting their rocks off to feet is.
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  24. Post #24
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    The only thing that bugs me is how quickly they label someone a bigot.

    In high school, a few gay couples used to go up in the middle of the school and make out. No, not just make out, that's an understatement, they were dry humping basically against the walls, grabbing each others asses and shoving their tongues down eachother's throats, girls were kissing the top of eachother's tits and the guys were grabbing eachother's junk. I asked them to stop, save it for the bedroom or just go somewhere else to do it. They quickly labelled me a bigot and told me I was promoting hate. I've told the same thing to straight couples all the time there.

    Just because your different does not give you the ability to go do that shit in front of people. I have no problem with gays, but when they use it as a defense for their behavior and then label people hate promoters, then it's crossed the line. You fight so hard to be treated like everyone else, then you receive the treatment and claim it's hate.
    learn to ignore things
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  25. Post #25
    Dennab
    February 2011
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    pedophilia =/= homosexuality
    child rapist =/= homosexuality
    Uhhh, yes it does...

    If you rape a child that's a boy, and you're a man, that's homosexual.

    "BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE KIDS"

    The child is a boy. You're a man. How is this any difference from a male rapist raping a man?

    "YEAH BUT HE'S NOT ACTUALLY GAY HE JUST WANTED TO RAPE A BOY THAT'S ALL."

    Oh, okay. Not gay at all. Same thing goes if you're a woman raping a child that's a girl. Homosexual.
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  26. Post #26
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    You're making the mistake of believing all pedophiles are child molesters, and that simply isn't the case.
    I was stating the general argument, I never specified it as being my own belief.
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  27. Post #27
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    March 2011
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    Any person who does not inflict harm to other peoples freedom should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. If someone wants to engage in sexual acts with people of their own gender, if someone wants to kill themself, if someone wants to get high on heroin, if someone wants to have fictional friends - or even if some do not. Why the fuck should you care!?

    I don't get what drives people to keep others from doing what they want most!? Even if what that person wants most is getting buttfucked, you shouldn't do shit, 'cause you're not the one with a dick up your ass, and how does sodomy inflict harm to others anyway!?
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  28. Post #28
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    Uhhh, yes it does...

    If you rape a child that's a boy, and you're a man, that's homosexual.

    "BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE KIDS"

    The child is a boy. You're a man. How is this any difference from a male rapist raping a man?

    "YEAH BUT HE'S NOT ACTUALLY GAY HE JUST WANTED TO RAPE A BOY THAT'S ALL."

    Oh, okay. Not gay at all. Same thing goes if you're a woman raping a child that's a girl. Homosexual.
    What the fuck are you talking about? He meant that this is a thread about homosexuality, not pedophilia.
    Pedophiles aren't always gay, and gays aren't always pedophiles. They're obviously two completely separate things.
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  29. Post #29
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    Uhhh, yes it does...

    If you rape a child that's a boy, and you're a man, that's homosexual.

    "BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE KIDS"

    The child is a boy. You're a man. How is this any difference from a male rapist raping a man?

    "YEAH BUT HE'S NOT ACTUALLY GAY HE JUST WANTED TO RAPE A BOY THAT'S ALL."

    Oh, okay. Not gay at all. Same thing goes if you're a woman raping a child that's a girl. Homosexual.
    You do realize that all rapists aren't homosexuals. Pedophilia is a general interest in little kids of both genders normally.
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  30. Post #30
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    Unless they're in your way, I don't see why you should care in the first place.
    Full on action in public is not acceptable regardless of sexuality, and it's even worse for people who disagree with homosexuality. Nobody wants to see a girl and a guy dry humping in the street, never mind guy on guy. This has never been acceptable behaviour.

    Is it really necessary to debate. I don't see facepunch as having a big conservative christian population so who would really oppose your statement?
    I try to debate with these people but I always get labelled as a troll/bigot instantly for disagreeing and end up getting banned.
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  31. Post #31
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    I think the discussion might want to get back on track. Homosexuals =/= pedophiles and rapists

    As for my two cents... I don't really see anything wrong with it. People are entitled to their beliefs and opinions, which is why I don't necessarily agree with people that think Homosexuality is wrong, I also don't believe in impeding their ability to voice their opinions either.

    I do, however, believe that a lot of the problems could be solved with education and dispelling some of the stereotypes and misplaced beliefs going around.
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  32. Post #32
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    Full on action in public is not acceptable regardless of sexuality, and it's even worse for people who disagree with homosexuality. Nobody wants to see a girl and a guy dry humping in the street, never mind guy on guy. This has never been acceptable behaviour.
    Some of my friends and I think it's acceptable behavior. People do it around here quiet a bit and I've got no problems with it.
    Why? Because it's not harming anyone.
    You're saying that it's not ok because most people don't like it. Does that mean racism and slavery were ok two centuries ago because most people thought it was acceptable?
    I know a couple of towns in the Southern US that don't like people without white skin, is it acceptable if they lynch them because most of them agree?
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  33. Post #33
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    Some of my friends and I think it's acceptable behavior. People do it around here quiet a bit and I've got no problems with it.
    Why? Because it's not harming anyone.
    You're saying that it's not ok because most people don't like it. Does that mean racism and slavery were ok two centuries ago because most people thought it was acceptable?
    I know a couple of towns in the Southern US that don't like people without white skin, is it acceptable if they lynch them because most of them agree?
    So you just tried to argue my point by saying that you and a few other people are fine with it and then some ridiculous... analogies?

    Alright.

    Is it OK to go in public and whip out my gigantic dong and furiously masturbate, making large splatters of semen in clear view? Because I think that's acceptable.

    What you posted doesn't have any validity to it. Your views are clearly quite disgusting and don't please people. Just because YOU find it OK doesn't mean somebody else doesn't feel immensely repulsed by two gays kissing and crotch grabbing.
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    So you just tried to argue my point by saying that you and a few other people are fine with it and then some ridiculous... analogies?

    Alright.

    Is it OK to go in public and whip out my gigantic dong and furiously masturbate, making large splatters of semen in clear view? Because I think that's acceptable.

    What you posted doesn't have any validity to it. Your views are clearly quite disgusting and don't please people. Just because YOU find it OK doesn't mean somebody else doesn't feel immensely repulsed by two gays kissing and crotch grabbing.
    Relevant to thread.
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    So you just tried to argue my point by saying that you and a few other people are fine with it and then some ridiculous... analogies?

    Alright.

    Is it OK to go in public and whip out my gigantic dong and furiously masturbate, making large splatters of semen in clear view? Because I think that's acceptable.

    What you posted doesn't have any validity to it. Your views are clearly quite disgusting and don't please people. Just because YOU find it OK doesn't mean somebody else doesn't feel immensely repulsed by two gays kissing and crotch grabbing.
    Yeah, but two gay people - or two anyone - kissing and crotch-grabbing is objectively harmless. If that disgusts you, maybe it's worth a bit of introspection on whether that disgust is valid or not.
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  36. Post #36
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    Is it OK to go in public and whip out my gigantic dong and furiously masturbate, making large splatters of semen in clear view? Because I think that's acceptable.
    I don't see why I should care if you have your dick out in public, but there's a difference between that and making a mess everywhere.

    What you posted doesn't have any validity to it.
    Actually I was pointing out your argumentum ad populum fallacy. Completely valid.

    Your views are clearly quite disgusting
    If you think nudity and kissing is gross I guess you don't like porn. Or your own body for that matter.

    and don't please people.
    Slavery pleased most people, does that make it ok?

    Just because YOU find it OK doesn't mean somebody else doesn't feel immensely repulsed by two gays kissing and crotch grabbing.
    So if someone feels immensely repulsed by black people it's ok to go up to them and tell them to leave?
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  37. Post #37
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    A serious mental disorder according to modern society. Throughout many other periods of history common things today in the past would be seen as mental disorders, or vice versa.
    The difference then was people married younger or procreated at a younger age because people died quicker. However they didn't actually fuck children and even then it was considered taboo, people in the middle east often married children but until they came of age to actually bare a child, it was acceptable to have sex with someone around the age of 13 and still is around many places in the world.

    The same could be said about homosexuals by some.
    Except homosexuality is not caused by psychological effects.


    Uhhh, yes it does...

    If you rape a child that's a boy, and you're a man, that's homosexual.

    "BUT BUT BUT THEY'RE KIDS"

    The child is a boy. You're a man. How is this any difference from a male rapist raping a man?

    "YEAH BUT HE'S NOT ACTUALLY GAY HE JUST WANTED TO RAPE A BOY THAT'S ALL."

    Oh, okay. Not gay at all. Same thing goes if you're a woman raping a child that's a girl. Homosexual.
    Except pedophiles are not homo-sexually exclusive.

    If a man has sex or molests a female child by your logic that makes it straight sex and therefore morally wrong.
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    Except homosexuality is not caused by psychological effects.
    That's a bold statement. Where's your evidence?
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    how the shit is it bold, its not. Major psychological associations can confirm its not a psychological effect.

    http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
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    Good job quoting a source which was extremely careful not to point to any one cause instead advocating both nature AND nurture.

    Edited:

    I'm not disgusted by pedophiles, but by those that have no self-control and become child molesters.

    Being a pedophile is not some horrible disorder, no more than someone getting their rocks off to feet is.
    Nope still pretty disgusted by pedophiles.

    If I told you I wanted to get pissed on by a girll that'd most likely be pretty disgusting to you and you have every right to think that.
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