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Aedus · 27th February 2012

Arx if you like to aim, GL if you don't. They are both decent, the Arx is just harder to do well with.

I try to aim, but with the Arx it's really hard to land hits.
I'm fine with the Thumper and the Sniper rifles, and somewhat with the Spinfusor, but the Arx is like trying to aim my mouse using a pool cue.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Funion posted:

you forgot the speech bubble that says "im gey"

Slanderous lies, that ever existed!

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little.sparrow posted:

I think there should be a fusion mortar/mirv launcher nerf to encourage long range bombardment.
Basically, to get the most damage from it, it needs to detonate on impact. The longer it stays on the floor, the more of the base damage is subtracted for the final hit.
For example, let's say a direct hit does 1000 damage.(I know it doesn't, roll with me here)
If it exploded on impact and damaged a turret/sensor/sandraker/butcher, it will do the full 1000 damage.
However, if said juggernaut went into the base and fired his fusion mortar at a wall, it took 4 seconds from hit to detonation, so it does only 500-600 damage as a result.
The result: less indoor baserape, long range baserape encouraged

This is a pretty good idea.

Aedus · 27th February 2012

The golden posted:

Don't bother with both if you're into dueling with other players. They are infrastructure attacking weapons and are extremely difficult to duel with.

Oh I see, maybe where I was going wrong. Humm.

**Blanketspace** · 27th February 2012

The golden posted:

Don't bother with both if you're into dueling with other players. They are infrastructure attacking weapons and are extremely difficult to duel with.

The way I see it, Grenade Launcher is for turning a room into an explosive hell (needs to be at least upgraded to the +1 clip size), and the Arx Buster is for more careful burst damage. That being said, the Grenade Launcher takes down Generators and things far faster than the Buster due to it's larger clip size and very similar damage.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Raiders fits their name perfectly, they are great at raiding bases but they are bad at duelling outside. Also the ARX Burster deals a very good burst but has lower splash while the grenade launcher has a more solid dps and larger splash, both are good.

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Blanketspace posted:

The way I see it, Grenade Launcher is for turning a room into an explosive hell (needs to be at least upgraded to the +1 clip size), and the Arx Buster is for more careful burst damage. That being said, the Grenade Launcher takes down Generators and things far faster than the Buster due to it's larger clip size and very similar damage.

Just smash the arx burster shots into someone's face, no care as a raider.

**catbarf** · 27th February 2012

The golden posted:

Long range baserape is already encouraged. A single Juggernaut can take out the entire exterior defenses of a base.

I think his suggestion is less encouraging long-range baserape, and more strongly discouraging short-ranged indoors combat with the mortar so that long range is all that works. Having light turrets intercept projectiles, though, would be an interesting addition and would make turrets useful for outdoors.

**Blanketspace** · 27th February 2012

jiggu posted:

Raiders fits their name perfectly, they are great at raiding bases but they are bad at duelling outside. Also the ARX Burster deals a very good burst but has lower splash while the grenade launcher has a more solid dps and larger splash, both are good.

Edited:
If someone's bouncing off the walls and at low health, covering the floor in grenades can be quite effective.

Just smash the arx burster shots into someone's face, no care as a raider.

Edited:

catbarf posted:

I think his suggestion is less encouraging long-range baserape, and more strongly discouraging short-ranged indoors combat with the mortar so that long range is all that works. Having light turrets intercept projectiles would be an interesting addition and would make turrets useful for outdoors.

I like that suggestion, as it would give people a reason to destroy turrets as Sentinel.

little.sparrow · 27th February 2012

The golden posted:

Long range baserape is already encouraged. A single Juggernaut can take out the entire exterior defenses of a base.

Honestly, I would like to see (and test) the idea of Light Turrets being able to shoot down mortars/MIRV's. Maybe make it so it takes 2-3 turrets to do it, so you need to work as a team to keep the skies clear, and the enemy needs to work as a team to assault your base properly. I'm so tired of lone Juggernauts sitting on a cliff and just MIRV spamming the entire base to shreds, and there is nothing you can do about it.

This + the other ideas = Better juggernaut?

Edited:

Also, here's an idea for a doombringer secondary - A RRFE launcher. (Random Rockets Fired Erratically)
Basically, lock on to a guy like the sabre launcher.
When it fires, it explodes midair, releasing 5 rockets. One rocket hits the locked on target, while the other rockets lock on to other targets nearby. If none are present, all 5 rockets home in on the same target. It also fires a bit faster, locks on quicker and has more ammo.
The catch?
The 5 missles added together does less damage than one sabre missle. The missles are also pretty likley to crash and/or miss.

Pachengo · 27th February 2012

speed is the sanic's currency

spend it well

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better fast in body than fast in mind

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

Dooms should have an airgun. That would be really fun, being able to literally just have a giant leafblower to keep those pesky pathfinders away from the flag. Alternatively it could spew flames.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Mikhos posted:

Dooms should have an airgun. That would be really fun, being able to literally just have a giant leafblower to keep those pesky pathfinders away from the flag. Alternatively it could spew flames.

As a possibility to replace the saber launcher? It sets people on fire for a short time and pushes them away depending on mass?

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

jiggu posted:

As a possibility to replace the saber launcher? It sets people on fire for a short time and pushes them away depending on mass?

Giant leafblower > actual gun

**joost1120** · 27th February 2012

Flamer? More like a fucking huge blowtorch gun, effective against everything, but has a very limited range.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

I made this to illustrate my thoughts.

**Blanketspace** · 27th February 2012

Leafblower should also work on projectiles. It'd be the only means of defense against Juggernauts.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Blanketspace posted:

Leafblower should also work on projectiles. It'd be the only means of defense against Juggernauts.

This, a billion times.

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

Making own MSPAINTJOB right nao!

Look that way
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**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Don't you dare outshine my awesome drawing skills.

4RT1LL3RY · 27th February 2012

Mikhos posted:

Dooms should have an airgun. That would be really fun, being able to literally just have a giant leafblower to keep those pesky pathfinders away from the flag. Alternatively it could spew flames.

Bah, make it shot tiny forcefields so that you can stop spinfusor shots and pathfinders bodies.

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

Okay. Why I didn't make my own post for the image is beyond my limited intellect.

EDIT:
It WOULD blow projectiles away too, for more lulz.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Almost as cool as my drawing, and it's a neat idea.

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

It was more of a joke idea but here we are seriously considering how it would actually make a lot of sense.

Being able to charge up an air gust would also make sense, and you could hear it sucking up the air from a distance, giving you a warning of some intense blowing action to come. ;D

EDIT: Also if you don't have the superheavy, perhaps a high charged shot would also push the doomie backwards a little bit? That would be bad for flag sitters, but a doomie on the move could use it to his advantage.

Aedus · 27th February 2012

So on the topic of Raider, can someone tell me their loadouts?

Arx or Grenade Launcher?
Scrambler pack or Shield pack?
And which 2 perks?

Cheers.

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

Aedus posted:

So on the topic of Raider, can someone tell me their loadouts?

Arx or Grenade Launcher?
Scrambler pack or Shield pack?
And which 2 perks?

Cheers.

Grenade
Shield
Looter
Egocentric

This is for genny/indoor fighting only. Expect to get raped when outdoors if you can't use the SMG properly. Which I know I can't I'm a wiz with exposives but lasers aren't my strong suit.

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Aedus posted:

So on the topic of Raider, can someone tell me their loadouts?

Arx or Grenade Launcher?
Scrambler pack or Shield pack?
And which 2 perks?

Cheers.

The main wep depends mostly on your playstyle, both are great. As for the pack use shield pack unless you have serious problems with infiltrators coming out from stealth, otherwise Survivalist is a must, potential energy supposedly works too.

Mikhos · 27th February 2012

jiggu posted:

The main wep depends mostly on your playstyle, both are great. As for the pack use shield pack unless you have serious problems with infiltrators coming out from stealth, otherwise Survivalist is a must, potential energy supposedly works too.

I would go with ego because at max rank you will be immune to your own EMPs, but potential energy is also good because you can recycle that energy into your shieldpack. Which helps during the fight. Really, survivalist works too. It's all up to your own playstyle, in the end.

4RT1LL3RY · 27th February 2012

Aedus posted:

So on the topic of Raider, can someone tell me their loadouts?

Arx or Grenade Launcher?
Scrambler pack or Shield pack?
And which 2 perks?

Cheers.

Arx, Shield, EMP nade, Looter and Survivalist.

You wreck bases. ARX and Shield pack means you can "disc" jump for 0 hp when your good with it. You can also spam EMP nades like no tomorrow.

ARX is awesome once you get the lead and arc down, there is very little arc on it compared to thumper and bolt launcher.

Aedus · 27th February 2012

Nice, a few varied builds. Gonna give them a try and see what works for me. Cheers.

**thisguy123** · 27th February 2012

juggerspam is troublesome, but in T2, his mortar was basically a "KILL EERYTHUNG" device. While a weapon of that standing should give you serious food for though, hows about this.

Shooting the mortar projectile disarms it.
A reward for fast thinking, Juggerspam is still useful, but can be countered.

Of course this leads to certain risks, with an explosive weapon you may harm thyself. Or you may miss and not have time to flee. To help facilitate this mechanic you just increase the mortar detonation time a wee bit.

**Electrocuter** · 27th February 2012

I love the new map, capping with Jugger is really easy in that map thanks to that semi-loop on the base and the amounts of speed you get. Pick up huge amounts of speed, go in from the top of the semi-loop, use the Spinfusor to clear the flag of any enemies and since I'm heavy I can suck up any damage from any shields and turrets placed.

LuckyLuke · 27th February 2012

There are never enough inventory stations!

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We also lost one, 'twas a sad day for the Blood Eagle faction, Sworders paid with a loss

**jiggu** · 27th February 2012

Mikhos posted:

I would go with ego because at max rank you will be immune to your own EMPs, but potential energy is also good because you can recycle that energy into your shieldpack. Which helps during the fight. Really, survivalist works too. It's all up to your own playstyle, in the end.

The great thing with survival is when it's fully upgrades and you butcher a dirty sandraker you take his heart and then you're ready to slaughter another. I also forgot to mention that safety third as a prim perk is great, 3-4 nades instagibs the generator, giving you a quick in and out strike.