1. Post #761
    RocketSnail's Avatar
    October 2010
    282 Posts
    I need to know what distro I should install.
    The only experience I have is with Ubuntu and DamnSmallLinux,
    and the only distros I'm looking at are Arch, Linux Mint, Debian, and Ubuntu.

    I'm sort of afraid of going into Arch because of the install process, and I like how Ubuntu has its own software center (although other distros do), but I DO NOT LIKE the Ubuntu Unity thing, that's why I have Linux Mint in there.

    So, what are your thoughts? Thanks a lot!
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  2. Post #762
    Rayjingstorm's Avatar
    June 2010
    1,536 Posts
    I need to know what distro I should install.
    The only experience I have is with Ubuntu and DamnSmallLinux,
    and the only distros I'm looking at are Arch, Linux Mint, Debian, and Ubuntu.

    I'm sort of afraid of going into Arch because of the install process, and I like how Ubuntu has its own software center (although other distros do), but I DO NOT LIKE the Ubuntu Unity thing, that's why I have Linux Mint in there.

    So, what are your thoughts? Thanks a lot!
    This arch installation phobia needs to be dispelled once and for all. It's not so difficult as it may seem. At the worst you can say it takes a little more time (especially the first run through) and some thoughtful consideration as to how you want your installation configured (I see this as setting something right the first time and never having to deal with 'fixing' it later), but the arch wiki will hold your hand through the entire process and you will end up with limited bloat and a properly configured (for the most part) installation the first (or second) time.

    Either way it was a good experience in my opinion.

    Edited:

    Then again I've only ever used arch. You can see this in one of two ways: I've not experienced other distros or I've not needed to.
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  3. Post #763
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    858 Posts
    I need to know what distro I should install.
    The only experience I have is with Ubuntu and DamnSmallLinux,
    and the only distros I'm looking at are Arch, Linux Mint, Debian, and Ubuntu.

    I'm sort of afraid of going into Arch because of the install process, and I like how Ubuntu has its own software center (although other distros do), but I DO NOT LIKE the Ubuntu Unity thing, that's why I have Linux Mint in there.

    So, what are your thoughts? Thanks a lot!
    Centos Desktop install, rock stable

    Arch is for people who care about Customization > productivity
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  4. Post #764
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    May 2008
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    This arch installation phobia needs to be dispelled once and for all. It's not so difficult as it may seem. At the worst you can say it takes a little more time (especially the first run through) and some thoughtful consideration as to how you want your installation configured (I see this as setting something right the first time and never having to deal with 'fixing' it later), but the arch wiki will hold your hand through the entire process and you will end up with limited bloat and a properly configured (for the most part) installation the first (or second) time.

    Either way it was a good experience in my opinion.

    Edited:

    Then again I've only ever used arch. You can see this in one of two ways: I've not experienced other distros or I've not needed to.
    Granted the first time I used Arch was after I had been using Gentoo for a while, but yeah it's not that hard to setup Arch.
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  5. Post #765

    November 2010
    700 Posts
    Does anyone know why on boot it tells me my partition is not consistent after removing ubuntu? Want to do a clean install but I cant figure it out. I used gparted to remove the partition, if that helps.
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  6. Post #766
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    November 2009
    677 Posts
    I have decided to install Enlightenment; It's pretty good, also small in size.

    However, there is one problem. I have no idea how to launch applications inside the WM. Can you guys help me, please?
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  7. Post #767
    Sartek's Avatar
    June 2009
    425 Posts
    I have not used it but maybe you need to edit configurations files or install a toolbar. if its just a window manager
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  8. Post #768
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,127 Posts
    I have decided to install Enlightenment; It's pretty good, also small in size.

    However, there is one problem. I have no idea how to launch applications inside the WM. Can you guys help me, please?
    Click on the desktop, it should being up a menu where you can select applications.. You can also add a start button to a shelf, if needed. Also, check that your application menu is set properly... Should be somewhere in settings, under "Apps'..Default Applications, I think.
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  9. Post #769
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    November 2009
    677 Posts
    Click on the desktop, it should being up a menu where you can select applications.. You can also add a start button to a shelf, if needed. Also, check that your application menu is set properly... Should be somewhere in settings, under "Apps'..Default Applications, I think.
    I clicked on the desktop, went to Applications, but there is no application there, except the recently installed ones (the ones installed after the installation of Enlightenment).

    I tried looking around the configuration files, and I attempted to edit a file called menus_apps.menu (not sure). I noticed the pattern being like so:

    Code:
    "Application" NULL exec "application-command"
    So, I tried getting rid of the "NULL" parameter, and it did show up (tried it on the terminal application). I attempted to launch it, but lo and behold, nothing happened. I guess I have to download eterm, but for some reason, pacman won't find it.
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  10. Post #770
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,127 Posts
    I clicked on the desktop, went to Applications, but there is no application there, except the recently installed ones (the ones installed after the installation of Enlightenment).

    I tried looking around the configuration files, and I attempted to edit a file called menus_apps.menu (not sure). I noticed the pattern being like so:

    Code:
    "Application" NULL exec "application-command"
    So, I tried getting rid of the "NULL" parameter, and it did show up (tried it on the terminal application). I attempted to launch it, but lo and behold, nothing happened. I guess I have to download eterm, but for some reason, pacman won't find it.
    eterm sucks
    You're better off going with urxvt, Terminator, or good 'ol xterm.
    Also, that's odd, I've never had to do any fuckery with any config files (and I don't recommend it, honestly)
    Wait, are you using enlightenment or e-svn? There's a (really big) difference..
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  11. Post #771
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    supervoltage's Avatar
    November 2009
    677 Posts
    eterm sucks
    You're better off going with urxvt, Terminator, or good 'ol xterm.
    Also, that's odd, I've never had to do any fuckery with any config files (and I don't recommend it, honestly)
    Wait, are you using enlightenment or e-svn? There's a (really big) difference..
    Yeah, resorted to xterm. Thank you very much!
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  12. Post #772
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    December 2009
    1,345 Posts
    Installing Arch is easy, but long.
    Well actually, even that I disagree with. Installing Arch can be a very easy and quick process. The longest part is downloading packages if you're using a remote-install image instead of a core-local image.
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  13. Post #773
    Rayjingstorm's Avatar
    June 2010
    1,536 Posts
    Well actually, even that I disagree with. Installing Arch can be a very easy and quick process. The longest part is downloading packages if you're using a remote-install image instead of a core-local image.
    I understand it being slow the first time through as partitioning on a drive with non-trivial data on it can be a bit nerve-wracking, but once you've gone through the process once it is painless and fast (at least in my experience of having to re-install once)
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  14. Post #774
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    December 2009
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    I understand it being slow the first time through as partitioning on a drive with non-trivial data on it can be a bit nerve-wracking, but once you've gone through the process once it is painless and fast (at least in my experience of having to re-install once)
    Yes, I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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  15. Post #775
    I wasted a dollar on a stupid title.
    nikomo's Avatar
    September 2007
    16,822 Posts
    Centos Desktop install, rock stable
    Linux, like it was meant to be (in 2006).
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  16. Post #776
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    May 2008
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    Is it worth the time costumizing and building stuff with portage on Gentoo? And does it take much more time than 3-4 hours building almost all the stuff? I might try out Gentoo or Sabayon so I just want to know what to avoid as an experienced Arch user and do the preferred way.
    The base install can take about 3-4 hours following the guide (you've also got links pre-installed, so you can check the handbook online if you get lost). If you follow kernel compilation using kernel-seeds, you can get a really nice kernel that compiles in about 10-20 minutes. After the install is complete, the main things you have to worry about is the gtk and/or qt library, your DE (WM's are light and don't take long) and browser which can take a while to compile. The end result is if you strip away all the stuff you don't want, the programs run a lot faster than if you were using Arch.

    Something to note about Sabayon is it's a bad representation of Gentoo if you want to test it out. If you want to test out Gentoo, just use Gentoo.
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  17. Post #777

    November 2010
    700 Posts
    Is the lastest LTS ubuntu (12.something) very practical on a netbook? (over w7 starter)
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  18. Post #778
    Glorious GNU/Linux Master Race
    kaukassus's Avatar
    May 2010
    5,207 Posts
    Is the lastest LTS ubuntu (12.something) very practical on a netbook? (over w7 starter)
    Yes.

    i think unity would be way better on a netbook, than on a Desktop.
    if you'd have any performance problems with it, you can still switch the graphical enviroment to a lighter one (eg. xfce).
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  19. Post #779
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    Is the lastest LTS ubuntu (12.something) very practical on a netbook? (over w7 starter)
    Why use Ubuntu on a netbook when Debian 6 with GNOME 2 can run way smoother?
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  20. Post #780
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    August 2009
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    Why use Ubuntu on a netbook when Debian 6 with GNOME 2 can run way smoother?
    Maybe because Debian 6 is a outdated piece of shit?
    It's almost as late as CentOS.
    Besides if he wants a lightweight Desktop Environment that's easy to use and customize, then XFCE or LXDE are MUCH better choices.
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  21. Post #781
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Maybe because Debian 6 is a outdated piece of shit?
    If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks.

    And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.
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  22. Post #782
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    August 2009
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    If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks.

    And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.
    Your hatred for Ubuntu is cute especially since you circlejerk over Debian, since Ubuntu is basically Debian except it's just better for desktop usage.
    Especially because Linus Torvalds himself likes the concept of Ubuntu and it's derivatives.
    That said, exactly because they are so important, it does frustrate me when I hit things that I perceive to be steps backwards. The SuSE rant was about asking a non-technical user about a password that the non-technical user had absolutely no reason to even know, in a situation where it made no sense. That kind of senseless user hostility is something that we’ve generally come away from (and some kernel people tend to dismiss Ubuntu, but I really think that Ubuntu has generally had the right approach, and been very user-centric).
    And Gnome has a history for being bloated, both in CPU and memory usage compared to most other DE's, and we all know that netbooks don't exactly have a lot of RAM, a beefy CPU or a large battery pack.
    Also a DE that requires lots of CPU cycles are bound to be a battery hog and thus make it have a short battery time and run hot, another big no-no for a netbook.
    Not to mention Ubuntu (and derivatives) have better battery management implemented from the get-go, partially due to the newer kernel compared to Debian, and also since the DE's are slightly customized by the team behind it.
    Much of the hard work is done for you, and so the system runs better.
    While with Debian you'd spend a war updating the kernel to a more efficient version, and setting up a proper battery management system.
    There's a reason Ubuntu & company is in the Top 10, only beaten by Linux Mint (which is basically Ubuntu derived, but with more things to make it even easier to use out-of-the-box)
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  23. Post #783
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    858 Posts
    Linux, like it was meant to be (in 2006).
    yeah because they totally aren't building on RHEL 6 kernel or anything, oh wait they are... Last time I checked RHEL is a pretty popular distro among most all enterprises

    Edited:

    It's almost as late as CentOS.
    HAHAAHAHAHA

    Please find me commonly used packages that are completely out of date compared to $debian distro or other distro
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  24. Post #784
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Ubuntu is basically Debian except it's just better for desktop usage.
    Ubuntu is to Debian as UFW is to iptables.


    It also needs to be mentioned, that Ubuntu takes a lot from Debian and does not give ANYTHING in return.
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  25. Post #785
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    November 2009
    677 Posts
    Due to the almighty epic amount of Enlightenment documentation, I now clearly know how to install a theme.

    ... Can someone tell me how to install a .edj theme file? The default themes are quite ugly.

    I attempted to install via putting them in the themes folder in .e16, but it won't budge.
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  26. Post #786
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    Can someone tell me how to install a .edj theme file? The default themes are quite ugly.
    If you are using PCLinuxOS, here is the solution:

    Go to the Main Menu. Select Settings, Theme, and then Import. Enter the directory where the file is, select it and click the OK. Click on Apply in the Theme Selector window.
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  27. Post #787
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    November 2009
    677 Posts
    If you are using PCLinuxOS, here is the solution:

    Go to the Main Menu. Select Settings, Theme, and then Import. Enter the directory where the file is, select it and click the OK. Click on Apply in the Theme Selector window.
    The only options in the Themes section are:

    -Use theme font configuration
    -Use alternate font configuration (Not set)
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  28. Post #788
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    August 2009
    15,159 Posts
    Please find me commonly used packages that are completely out of date compared to $debian distro or other distro
    Would be easier if you asked me what CetOS package that actually is up-to-date, because i could probably count those on my hands.
    CentOS focuses heavily on stability and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality basically describes it.
    It's only updated if there's a crucial feature missing or for security reasons.
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  29. Post #789
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    The only options in the Themes section are:

    -Use theme font configuration
    -Use alternate font configuration (Not set)
    Okay, my brain is full of fuck again. Which distro are you using? Or at least, what kind of a desktop environment do you use?
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  30. Post #790
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    November 2009
    677 Posts
    Okay, my brain is full of fuck again. Which distro are you using? Or at least, what kind of a desktop environment do you use?
    I'm not using a DE. I'm on Arch Linux, installed the Enlightenment WM.
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  31. Post #791
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,127 Posts
    I'm not using a DE. I'm on Arch Linux, installed the Enlightenment WM.
    I think I said this already..
    You're using enlightenment which is NOT E17, you're using Enlightenment 16. Install e-svn and e-modules-extra-svn from pacman, that'll give you e17.
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  32. Post #792
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    858 Posts
    Would be easier if you asked me what CetOS package that actually is up-to-date, because i could probably count those on my hands.
    CentOS focuses heavily on stability and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality basically describes it.
    It's only updated if there's a crucial feature missing or for security reasons.
    Are you kidding me, are people this stupid?

    Centos focuses more on the "We won't just push an update because it is new, we will make sure it is stable usable first"

    Same with RHEL, this is like the other thread where you were saying nginx verison is from 2004 on centos but when you go to the site for nginx it was the most current release.
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  33. Post #793
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    April 2012
    620 Posts
    Is it possible to change to the GNOME 3 activities button to something like the Arch icon? Ive tryed following the GNOME Tips page on the Arch wiki however I realized it was for GNOME 2.
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  34. Post #794
    I wasted a dollar on a stupid title.
    nikomo's Avatar
    September 2007
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    yeah because they totally aren't building on RHEL 6 kernel or anything, oh wait they are... Last time I checked RHEL is a pretty popular distro among most all enterprises
    Last time I checked, nobody here is in charge of IT for a large enterprise, which means we really don't care.
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  35. Post #795
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    858 Posts
    Last time I checked, nobody here is in charge of IT for a large enterprise, which means we really don't care.
    * cough*
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  36. Post #796
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    May 2008
    1,986 Posts
    Why are you condescending in your replies?
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  37. Post #797

    November 2010
    700 Posts
    If he wants to sacrifice stability for being always up-to-date with the latest shitware that Ubuntu is, then OK, it's his choice, but I don't wanna later be like "I knew it was going to happen" when he is going to realize, that his shiny, epic and awesome Dumbuntu installed on his Netbook is slowing and limiting it the bloody fuck down, when it comes to ABSOLUTELY typical tasks.

    And about the desktop environments... it practically does not matter, because the processes running in the background are anyway going to render normal use of the Netbook practically impossible without waiting damn long time to finish themselves off.
    Brb, installing ubuntu now, just for this. Thanks guys! UBUNTU FTW LOL FUCK DEBIAN!
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  38. Post #798
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    June 2008
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    Is it possible to change to the GNOME 3 activities button to something like the Arch icon? Ive tryed following the GNOME Tips page on the Arch wiki however I realized it was for GNOME 2.
    You'd have to change it in your theme. Honestly, I have no idea where to start there, but you could always install the user theme addon then use a theme with a picture there instead of the words (like Zukini) and replace the picture in the folder with a similarly-sized Arch logo.

    Edited:

    Actually, I just did that myself.

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  39. Post #799

    November 2010
    700 Posts
    OMFG how can i open compiz, says it's installed but it's not showing up anywhere on the comp. What's the terminal command to open compiz... So frustrated.
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  40. Post #800
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,127 Posts
    OMFG how can i open compiz, says it's installed but it's not showing up anywhere on the comp. What's the terminal command to open compiz... So frustrated.
    compiz --replace
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