1. Post #26841
    Mr. Scorpio's Avatar
    May 2010
    11,128 Posts
    Thing is that doesn't fit in, because it's a nice simple explanation, so why would they bother hiding it rather than being all "YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND US"

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    He could find some clue, piece together the puzzle, form a basis for an understanding of why they exist. Then he confronts them with it and they eventually fill in the blanks.
    that would take an entire game of set up and execution, and for what?

    so you can sit down with sovereign junior and have a nice cup of tea discussing the logic of eradicating sentient life?
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  2. Post #26842
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    Mingebox's Avatar
    February 2010
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    Which is why it would have been incredibly interesting to find out what they state their reasoning to be.
    It could still be absolutely alien to us, despite it seeming to make perfect sense to them. The point is that they provide us with an explanation, a purpose, rather than just "We just kill you all."
    But it wasn't.
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  3. Post #26843
    Mr. Scorpio's Avatar
    May 2010
    11,128 Posts
    Which is why it would have been incredibly interesting to find out what they state their reasoning to be.
    It could still be absolutely alien to us, despite it seeming to make perfect sense to them. The point is that they provide us with an explanation, a purpose, rather than just "We just kill you all."
    except that's not how logic works
    there's no such thing as an "alien" explanation, just stupid explanations

    what would even be the point of finding out the reason for their actions if in the end we're incapable of understanding as they've said multiple times?
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  4. Post #26844
    Lots Of Speculation For Everyone
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  5. Post #26845
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    March 2008
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    But it wasn't.
    Unfortunately, true.

    And that's where it all falls down, really, because in the end, the game is done, and no number of suggestions as to "What if we had this sideplot here?" or "What if this happened?" is going to change that.

    Oh well.
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  6. Post #26846
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    Janus Vesta's Avatar
    May 2007
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    except that's not how logic works
    there's no such thing as an "alien" explanation, just stupid explanations

    what would even be the point of finding out the reason for their actions if in the end we're incapable of understanding as they've said multiple times?
    I always saw thats as we're physically incapable of comprehending them. Like they can see and interact with more than the 3 dimensions we inhabit. The Reapers always struck me as very literal.
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  7. Post #26847
    Lots Of Speculation For Everyone
    Greeneyes's Avatar
    April 2008
    1,832 Posts
    To be honest the one bit that I wouldn't have minded being left for 'speculation' would be the motive of the reapers.
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  8. Post #26848
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    December 2009
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    To be honest the one bit that I wouldn't have minded being left for 'speculation' would be the motive of the reapers.

    Agreed. I'd have been happier if they simply, were.
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  9. Post #26849
    Dennab
    December 2009
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    That logic doesn't work on any level that I can think of. Energy doesn't just disappear, and it's made abundantly clear that the Relays have plenty of energy to go around.

    Granted, I think "synthesis" might be the most baffling ending to any narrative I have ever seen. The crucible creates a machine/organic hybrid that's represented by imprinting glowing green circuitboards on everything? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!
    It's science fiction..

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  10. Post #26850
    Mr. Scorpio's Avatar
    May 2010
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    It's science fiction..
    science

    science fiction

    not science fantasy, science fiction


    as in fictional events taking place in the realm of science

    do i need to get out a dictionary because i can
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  11. Post #26851
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    June 2010
    5,504 Posts
    But the Reapers have never really been important to Mass Effect as a story. They're just the boogy men in the background who threaten evrything you love. The people and places are the important part of Mass Effect. The intergalctic politics and how this wide array of people deal with each other.

    We rarely see the Reapers outside of ME3, and even thenthey act as motivators and set pieces to the interactions of galactic society. People get wrapped up in the whole "War for Earth" and "the Reapers are coming" thing, but really the Reapers are the least important part of Mass Effect as a narrative.
    How are they not important? Sovereign in ME, Harbinger in ME2, and ME3's based around stoping the Reapers in general.
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  12. Post #26852
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    May 2007
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    It's science fiction..
    There are varying levels of science fiction. You have soft science fiction like Star Wars, which is pretty much fantasy in space, and you have hard science fiction like Star Trek where there are entire episodes dedicated entirely to how the tech works.

    Mass Effect is hard science fiction, not as hard as Star Trek though, it has reasonable explinations for pretty much everything. Even when they bend or break established rules they give reasons as to how it works and explain that the new rules only applies when certain conditions are met, otherwise the old rule holds.

    Then the ending starts tripping balls.

    Edited:

    How are they not important? Sovereign in ME, Harbinger in ME2, and ME3's based around stoping the Reapers in general.
    As I've said. The Reapers are a call to action, a device. They're like zombies, they're important in that they are a constant element you must fight or evade. In Mass Effect the main antagonist is Saren, not Sovereign. In ME2 the Collectors kind of act as the main antagonist but the main plot of ME2 only exists to justify Shepard gathering allies.

    Example, in Mass Effect Saren, the antagonist, is always one step ahead of you. He has agents who work to slow you down and through them and Saren himself you learn his motivations, to prove to the Reapers that we're more useful as slaves than resources. For most of the game we think Sovereign is just a powerful ship, and even when his identity is revealed he's just some evil thing. The final battle is still against Saren, he's still our main antagonist.

    Saren is important, Sovereign isn't.
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  13. Post #26853
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    My Reaction to the Mass Effect 3 endings.

    No really.
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  14. Post #26854
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    January 2009
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    Cthulhu is a paranormal entity (And is one of those "JUST EVIL" antagonists), which rarely get justified because they're just magical demons that kill everything for no reason.
    Oh my god, you know nothing of Lovecraft.

    Never act like you know anything about H.P. Lovecraft again. The above quote is literally one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say.
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  15. Post #26855
    Jetpack Bear's Avatar
    June 2010
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    What do you guys want for an ending? Shepard to walk away happy with 10 women, the Reapers gone to Russia, and everyone who died to be revived by Shepard's psychic powers? Why can't you just be happy and focus on more important things in the world then an ending to a video game?
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  16. Post #26856
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    Grim Joker's Avatar
    January 2009
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    What do you guys want for an ending? Shepard to walk away happy with 10 women, the Reapers gone to Russia, and everyone who died to be revived by Shepard's psychic powers? Why can't you just be happy and focus on more important things in the world then an ending to a video game?
    You're on an online forum, complaining about us complaining, mocking us, and then telling us to be happy and focus on more important things.

    Having a conversation online about the ending to a video game does not dominate our lives. It's a conversation.

    Furthermore, nobody said they wanted a happier ending. People would be fine with a super sad and dark ending. The problem with the ending as it is, is that it comes completely out of nowhere, is riddled with plot holes, contradicts existing lore, and then ends abruptly for the sake of LOTS OF SPECULATION.
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  17. Post #26857
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    April 2005
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    Ugh because everyone's going down the philosophical road of "it's the journey, not the destination" or some crap, lemme just leave this colorful metaphor here:

    What if, after you've had 2 delicious sundaes at a restaurant, 90% of the way through your third, you realize that the "fudge" at the bottom of this last one is actually diarrhea. Would you eat it again? Would you continue to go to a restaurant that serves the diarrhea-surprise trilogy special?

    Would you tell other people they're just entitled and whiny if they demand a diarrhea-free sundae?
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  18. Post #26858
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    Grim Joker's Avatar
    January 2009
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    Ugh because everyone's going down the philosophical road of "it's the journey, not the destination" or some crap, lemme just leave this colorful metaphor here:

    What if, after you've had 2 delicious sundaes at a restaurant, 90% of the way through your third, you realize that the "fudge" at the bottom of this last one is actually diarrhea. Would you eat it again? Would you continue to go to a restaurant that serves the diarrhea-surprise trilogy special?

    Would you tell other people they're just entitled and whiny if they demand a diarrhea-free sundae?
    I find that the food comparisons are really accurate.

    I also find that people who defend Bioware often ignore them.
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  20. Post #26860
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    Smashmaster's Avatar
    April 2005
    1,512 Posts
    I hate Bioware's attitude regarding the DLC.

    It's like they just can't admit they're wrong.
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  21. Post #26861
    What fun is it being cool if you can't wear a sombrero?
    Dennab
    June 2006
    2,334 Posts
    we are streaming tomorrow, hopefully more than like a half hour. i'm also healthy now!
    featuring Burt Reynolds as Garrus Vakarian
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  22. Post #26862
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    July 2009
    12,223 Posts
    From the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. thread:

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  23. Post #26863
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    August 2006
    6,968 Posts
    They'll probably just reveal something like the Omega DLC.
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  24. Post #26864
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    August 2007
    9,144 Posts
    From the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. thread:
    Tali looks different.
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  25. Post #26865
    Trans-Intellectual...you know, like a double entendre
    noneshallpass's Avatar
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    Because I meticulously argued how the plot holes made no sense, but Darth is hellbent on pointing out how the endings are perfectly fine as they are and make perfect sense because, as he put it,

    Darth GW[h+]: like casey says
    Darth GW[h+]: I don't need it spelt out to me
    Darth GW[h+]: I'm quite happy to speculate
    Darth GW[h+]: I use my imagination
    Darth is Casey's son
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  26. Post #26866
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    Exooodus's Avatar
    April 2008
    2,584 Posts
    I can understand why they won't talk about it, they probably want it to be a surprise as if you never even encountered RGB ending.

    If that makes sense.
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  27. Post #26867
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    Links's Avatar
    July 2005
    1,615 Posts
    There is no way in hell they're going to to able to hold to that. People will probably be yelling about it and jeering like crazy during the panel.
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  28. Post #26868
    Trans-Intellectual...you know, like a double entendre
    noneshallpass's Avatar
    May 2011
    1,437 Posts
    Oh my god, you know nothing of Lovecraft.

    Never act like you know anything about H.P. Lovecraft again. The above quote is literally one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say.
    Fuck, dude it's like those people who only know about Cthulhu from southpark
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  29. Post #26869
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    January 2009
    4,743 Posts
    I just had someone argue with me that the Indoctrination Theory is still totally canon.

    I explained that Bioware said they weren't changing the ending or adding gameplay segments, they're just adding more cutscenes and some epilogue stuff to explain what happened to people, and as such, having Shepard go on to defeat The Reapers via some other means after waking up from the last few segments seems kind of difficult to pull off, and it would probably piss people off if the actual ending fight was just a big cutscene.

    His logic?

    "Yeah but the Epilogue could just be everyone dying because Shepard was indoctrinated, and it has a scene where Tali is raped by a bunch of Husks while her hands and feet are impaled on Dragon's Teeth and eaten by Harvesters."

    I was literally speechless.

    Edited:

    He was completely serious, too.
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  30. Post #26870
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    July 2006
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  31. Post #26871
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    Fayez's Avatar
    May 2011
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    "Yeah but the Epilogue could just be everyone dying because Shepard was indoctrinated, and it has a scene where Tali is raped by a bunch of Husks while her hands and feet are impaled on Dragon's Teeth and eaten by Harvesters."
    What the fuck?
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  32. Post #26872
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    May 2011
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    The extended cut is going to have two or three new scenes added in, and a shitty epilogue that someone wrote up in five minutes.

    And Bioware will act surprised that people are still pissed off. This is like watching a slow motion car crash.
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  33. Post #26873
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    February 2006
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    The extended cut is going to have two or three new scenes added in, and a shitty epilogue that someone wrote up in five minutes.

    And Bioware will act surprised that people are still pissed off. This is like watching a slow motion car crash.
    And, in the process, it will make the people complaining about the endings look like a bunch of entitled brats, because Bioware did something for us that somehow didn't meet our "unreasonable" expectations.
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  34. Post #26874
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    July 2006
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    And, in the process, it will make the people complaining about the endings look like a bunch of entitled brats, because Bioware did something for us that somehow didn't meet our "unreasonable" expectations.
    They are basically doing as little as possible to address the complaints that still allows them to pretend they listened.
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  35. Post #26875
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    June 2008
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    Darth is Casey's son
    Darth Hudson? How fitting
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  36. Post #26876
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    February 2011
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    And, in the process, it will make the people complaining about the endings look like a bunch of entitled brats, because Bioware did something for us that somehow didn't meet our "unreasonable" expectations.
    Mind, this already did happened early on when the ending started becoming more known, and almost everyone who was supporting the ending and called everyone against it "entitled" eventually changed their tune, barring some incredibly stubborn people.

    It's probably just gonna be that all over again, only people would catch on more quickly. Only site I don't see changing their tune at all would be IGN, thanks to their walking ingame endorsement.

    No matter how much Bioware attempts to control the PR damage by trying to warp intentions, they're only going to make the situation more dire for themselves, if they just admitted that the ending was unpopular instead of constantly denying it, claiming "artistic vision" and patting themselves on the back for something so silly then half this shit wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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  37. Post #26877
    27X
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    July 2010
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    Well, that's what we're hoping anyway.

    As has been said elsewhere, if this somehow goes wrong...the resulting firestorm is going to make the past month look like a box of kittens.
    I doubt it. I think people will simply stop buying Bioware products, and then EA will cannibalize them, as they did with WestWood and Bullfrog.
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  38. Post #26878
    So am I the only one suffering withdrawal now that the series is gone?
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  39. Post #26879
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    Whatsinaname's Avatar
    February 2006
    6,785 Posts
    So am I the only one suffering withdrawal now that the series is gone?
    I wouldn't if the ending was satisfying. I would just play through it again.
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  40. Post #26880
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    January 2009
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    I doubt it. I think people will simply stop buying Bioware products, and then EA will cannibalize them, as they did with WestWood and Bullfrog.
    Yeah. According to Wikipedia, Bioware saw a 97% drop in sales after the first month regarding Mass Effect 3. They're taking such massive hits to sales, I wouldn't be surprised if their next game is a total flop and then EA shuts them down.
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