1. Post #1601
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,825 Posts
    I think that's ATI's fault. They're horrible with drivers. I was fine using Win7 drivers for my nvidia gpu, maybe you'll be fine using Win7 drivers.
    I've never had any problems with ATI's drivers. In 7 nor in 8.
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  2. Post #1602
    Al Bundy's Avatar
    October 2011
    871 Posts
    My graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD 3200 series so it's kind of old. But it worked fine on everything before I downloaded the drivers. But I just wanted Half-Life in OpenGL and not Software mode. Didn't work. But I'll give the Windows drivers a shot.
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  3. Post #1603
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    WearingNothing's Avatar
    February 2009
    410 Posts
    The only real issue I'm having with ATI drivers is the opengl bug that never properly loads atioglxx.dll or whatever correctly. Really the only way I've been able to get around it is re-installing the drivers each boot.

    Edit: which I have kinda just fixed, but still quite annoying.
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  4. Post #1604
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    November 2009
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    I think that's ATI's fault. They're horrible with drivers. I was fine using Win7 drivers for my nvidia gpu, maybe you'll be fine using Win7 drivers.
    Really, I don't think you can blaim them. They've released drivers for Windows 8 beta for some of their cards, and for some they haven't. Problems with drivers really isn't something you should push on the manufacturer. Especially if you're running an older (4*** series and such) or something a bit obscure (mobile cards), though I don't whether this is the case.

    Edited:

    My graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD 3200 series so it's kind of old. But it worked fine on everything before I downloaded the drivers. But I just wanted Half-Life in OpenGL and not Software mode. Didn't work. But I'll give the Windows drivers a shot.
    Didn't notice the new page, but my point still stands. I use Windows' drivers on my laptop, as the ones from from AMD seems to fuck up video.

    Edited:

    And all I'm saying is that it's a big one.
    ..and I'm with you on that. The learning curve is a problem, but I really don't know why people (who have figured out how to use it) complain about it, as it's not unlike the hot corners, which only a few have complained about, or at least to the same extent.
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  5. Post #1605
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    August 2005
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    Well, I give up. I gave Windows 8 a fair try, I've been using it on my desktop and on my Inspiron Duo.

    Believe me when I say, the experience on the tablet is fantastic. If it weren't for work and my programming classes at school, I could use that tablet ever day to satisfy my needs. The only issue I'm having is the duo doesn't have the processing capability to run Windows 8. One of my biggest problems is that opening the Music app results in the computer being lagged to hell as it tries to display all my album art. Not a fault of the operating system, but this little dual or quad core atom isn't going to get the job done. I haven't quite decided if I'm going to leave it on the Duo or not, because I can't remember if Windows 7 on a tablet was any better, if not ten times worse. A couple of the popular Metro apps are unuseable for me, but all I do is browse the internet on that and it works great.

    Windows 8 is already gone from my desktop computer. I have to say, it was useable, but it was also way too slow for me. I found myself shying away from the Metro applications instantly, only viewing one or two items on the screen was pretty annoying. I had a good experience ducking out of metro immediately, right to the desktop, where I had pinned all my real applications to the super bar. Eventually though, after pinning IE, WMP, notepad, CMD, IBM DB2 config assistant, winsql, explorer, RDP, SQL Server management studio, Visual Studio 2010... Among other things, I just got sick of how cluttered I felt. That, and navigation was again frustrating. I don't see why the start menu button is missing, there's room for it, it'd save me a mouse gesture to get to it. The idea of a full screen start menu makes sense to me, but the live tiles on the desktop seem to just take up space. Scrolling to the right to open a program has got to be the most frustrating thing ever. The large monitor on my desktop removes that problem, but when the Duo is flipped to laptop mode it takes about 3 seconds to scroll to the other side.

    I was pretty big on defending Windows 8 during the developer preview. I thought Microsoft had some great changes in the works, but now they just feel unfinished in the consumer preview, and metro makes me feel 'stuck'. It's kind of weird, during the Vista and 7 developer preview and first look and all that, I was running each of those builds days after release. I don't think I'll be applying Windows 8 to another computer until some time after it's release date.
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  6. Post #1606
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    August 2007
    698 Posts
    Can i use windows 8 with virtual pc? I tried to install it but it gave me this error:

    Help?
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  7. Post #1607
    Can i use windows 8 with virtual pc? I tried to install it but it gave me this error:

    Help?
    Use 32 bit Windows
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  8. Post #1608
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,825 Posts
    Virtual PC doesn't support x64.
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  9. Post #1609
    Is there any new updates from the build.

    "windows 8 consumer preview. Evaluation copy, build 8250"
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  10. Post #1610
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    November 2009
    14,893 Posts
    Is there any new updates from the build.

    "windows 8 consumer preview. Evaluation copy, build 8250"
    What do you mean?
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  11. Post #1611
    Brock Obama's Avatar
    January 2012
    412 Posts
    What do you mean?
    I think he means any leaked builds beyond Consumer Preview. Just a hunch.
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  12. Post #1612
    Xehanort's Avatar
    August 2007
    698 Posts
    Virtual PC doesn't support x64.
    So you say i should install windows 7 32 bit for it to work? Damnit.

    Also, i tried dual booting it but at the restart of the installation i just got an black screen.
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  13. Post #1613
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    August 2006
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    So you say i should install windows 7 32 bit for it to work? Damnit.

    Also, i tried dual booting it but at the restart of the installation i just got an black screen.
    You could install 8 x86 in Virtual PC. Or just use VirtualBox.
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  14. Post #1614
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    May 2005
    1,486 Posts
    I've never had any problems with ATI's drivers. In 7 nor in 8.
    The drivers on my 5870 constantly crash if i set it to anywhere near the clock speed that it's rated to run at.
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  15. Post #1615
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    November 2009
    14,893 Posts
    The drivers on my 5870 constantly crash if i set it to anywhere near the clock speed that it's rated to run at.
    That's probably not a problem with drivers.
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  16. Post #1616
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    gparent's Avatar
    January 2005
    3,949 Posts
    The drivers on my 5870 constantly crash if i set it to anywhere near the clock speed that it's rated to run at.
    So your graphics card is broken. RMA it.
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  17. Post #1617
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    April 2007
    1,240 Posts
    And it finally uninstalled again, and I remembered to get a screenshot to show it.



    Still have no clue what causes it to happen, and I'm kind of depressed nobody commented on whether my issues were only with me or not.
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  18. Post #1618
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    August 2006
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    Are those 7's drivers or 8's?
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  19. Post #1619
    Al Bundy's Avatar
    October 2011
    871 Posts
    And it finally uninstalled again, and I remembered to get a screenshot to show it.



    Still have no clue what causes it to happen, and I'm kind of depressed nobody commented on whether my issues were only with me or not.
    It happened to me too. I downloaded a 32bit version of Windows 8 and I didn't realize that my integrated card in my laptop required 64bit to work correctly. So I just did a new installation it works fine now. Make sure you have the correct version your card needs. If you already have it, I don't know man.
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  20. Post #1620
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    February 2009
    410 Posts
    And it finally uninstalled again, and I remembered to get a screenshot to show it.



    Still have no clue what causes it to happen, and I'm kind of depressed nobody commented on whether my issues were only with me or not.
    Oh, I just read what you posted. The LoadLibrary thing sounds like was what I was talking about and if you are on 64bit win 8 you have to make a copy of atio6axx.dll (in System32) and rename it via command prompt to .dll. Quite the annoying problem with ATI drivers from what I read. If that doesn't work, put the actually .dll into whatever folder you are trying to run (which in this case I assume java?).

    Edit: I also get the ghost icons, wouldn't be surprised if it was driver related.
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  21. Post #1621
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    The new Preview looks way better than the older one (Developer Preview).

    Looks like my DevPrev shitpost is worthless in this case. :]
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  22. Post #1622
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    March 2007
    1,737 Posts
    New metro Ribbon

    Before:


    After:


    Me gusta.
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  23. Post #1623
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    Ezhik's Avatar
    April 2009
    14,583 Posts
    Why isn't the empty part of that ribbon bar transparent?
    Would look better, more fitting with Aero.
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  24. Post #1624
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    August 2006
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    New metro Ribbon

    Before:


    After:


    Me gusta.
    Such a minor change makes quite a difference.

    I think it'd look better if they used DWM's Colorization Color to control the color of the ribbon since the Ribbon already has an interface to change the colors.

    Edited:

    I like these navigation buttons:

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  25. Post #1625
    Brock Obama's Avatar
    January 2012
    412 Posts
    Will we get that new RibbonUI in the RC?
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  26. Post #1626
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    August 2006
    9,825 Posts
    Will we get that new RibbonUI in the RC?
    Well it's already in there and the RC is a few months away so yes.
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  27. Post #1627
    Sphene
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    September 2010
    10,903 Posts
    I've given up on the Win8 nvidia drivers.
    They're SO FUCKING BUGGY i couldn't play BF3 for longer than 10 minutes at a time before the drivers crashed.
    Back to Win7 drivers; back to stability.
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  28. Post #1628
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    jjjohan's Avatar
    January 2005
    735 Posts
    Maybe Windows 9 will just be one solid colour.
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  29. Post #1629
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    I've given up on the Win8 nvidia drivers.
    They're SO FUCKING BUGGY i couldn't play BF3 for longer than 10 minutes at a time before the drivers crashed.
    Back to Win7 drivers; back to stability.
    Speak for yourself, mine are working perfectly :L
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  30. Post #1630
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    April 2007
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    Are those 7's drivers or 8's?
    8's drivers.

    Edited:

    It happened to me too. I downloaded a 32bit version of Windows 8 and I didn't realize that my integrated card in my laptop required 64bit to work correctly. So I just did a new installation it works fine now. Make sure you have the correct version your card needs. If you already have it, I don't know man.
    Nope, 64bit windows 8 and the card is a 6970 so I'd be surprised if it wasn't supported.

    Edited:

    Oh, I just read what you posted. The LoadLibrary thing sounds like was what I was talking about and if you are on 64bit win 8 you have to make a copy of atio6axx.dll (in System32) and rename it via command prompt to .dll. Quite the annoying problem with ATI drivers from what I read. If that doesn't work, put the actually .dll into whatever folder you are trying to run (which in this case I assume java?).

    The LoadLibrary thing only happens when the drivers aren't installed. Reinstalling fixes it.
    Edit: I also get the ghost icons, wouldn't be surprised if it was driver related.
    Edited:

    Oh, and soluto has caught explorer crashes (That seem to be new). Anyone know if there's a way to get Microsoft to view them, or if they already look at soluto's crashes?
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  31. Post #1631
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    November 2009
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    Is there a way to 'fool' AMD drivers to think that it's installing on Windows 7? Doesn't want to install on 8 (though that might be for the best).
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  32. Post #1632
    Dennab
    August 2011
    2,159 Posts
    Is there a way to 'fool' AMD drivers to think that it's installing on Windows 7? Doesn't want to install on 8 (though that might be for the best).
    Compatibility Mode.
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  33. Post #1633
    Brock Obama's Avatar
    January 2012
    412 Posts
    Maybe Windows 9 will just be one solid colour.
    MSpaint Edition.
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  34. Post #1634
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    November 2009
    14,893 Posts
    Compatibility Mode.
    Tried it before, didn't want to run. No matter, got a Windows 7 license now.
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  35. Post #1635
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    March 2007
    1,737 Posts
    Here's the new metro ribbon in English. Really like this.

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  36. Post #1636
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    August 2009
    4,821 Posts
    Here's the new metro ribbon in English. Really like this.

    It still looks weird with aero.
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  37. Post #1637
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    April 2011
    4,017 Posts
    Looks a bit out of place imho. Hell it gives the idea that the background just broke.
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  38. Post #1638
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    November 2009
    14,893 Posts
    It still looks weird with aero.
    The red colour always looks out of place.
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  39. Post #1639
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    August 2009
    4,821 Posts
    The red colour always looks out of place.
    Even if the wallpaper was blue aero mixed with metro looks weird, at least to me it does.
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  40. Post #1640
    I do it all
    fruxodaily's Avatar
    November 2010
    14,226 Posts
    They should make the icons metro instead of them being based on the office/aero era
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