1. Post #11561
    TheLolrus's Avatar
    June 2008
    3,525 Posts
    I play German arty, basically because I started WoT in the German tree. American arty is good too, though.
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  2. Post #11562
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Because Alpha Damage, it's the main trait of the American Tree.

    And the Chieftain (which at this point is likely going to be the British T10 Mid if we are going to have the T95 on the table) Has the 120mm L11, so why the fuck not have the option?
    British can just have another Centurion mark variety tbh.
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  3. Post #11563
    N-12_Aden's Avatar
    April 2011
    2,792 Posts
    Its funny that the KV-2 is more effective in high tier rounds (8+) than a bloody Tiger I.

    That 107mm can do some serious damage to high tier opponents if you can flank them.
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  4. Post #11564
    My favorite NSA triggers are small pox cyber terror brown out
    Birdman101's Avatar
    November 2009
    7,331 Posts
    I played german arty up to the hummel and it was actually pretty fun. I loved my little grille, TD mode grille was boss as fuck. Little tiny speedy pz38 chassis and a longbarrel 150. I once killed a T29 one on one with it. I hit him once coming up the hill, then I hid behind the rock until he got up the hill. I hit him again in the side and floored it towards him. I assume his turret was damaged because I was able to circle him clockwise pretty good. Every time the gun loaded, I would take a hard right and aim for the tracks. I hit him 3 times like that, the 2nd one set him on fire. 3rd finished him off and won the match.
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  5. Post #11565
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    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    British can just have another Centurion mark variety tbh.
    Right, and leave them horribly underpowered in the face of their counterparts.


    This isn't how this works, This is what we're dealing with:

    Leopard 1 Prototype (only step forward, there exist literally no other possible candidates)
    AMX-30 Prototype (Developed after the AMX-50 and Bat Chat Programs fell through, came about in the fallout from the Doomed Europa-Panzer joint Project which Also spawned the Leopard 1)
    T-62 ( Next in line after the T-54/55 and compatible with the German and French options, of which no other candidates for them exist)

    These three set the tone for T10 mediums, the British and Americans are forced to up scale along with them to their contemporaries at the time, being the Chieftain and M60 or T95, however these tanks are all quite balanced against each other.

    Edited:

    An Honestly If you're just going to put the L7 on the T95 you might as well just put the M60 in because at that point it's essentially the same fucking tank.
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  6. Post #11566
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Right, and leave them horribly underpowered in the face of their counterparts.


    This isn't how this works, This is what we're dealing with:

    Leopard 1 Prototype (only step forward, there exist literally no other possible candidates)
    AMX-30 Prototype (Developed after the AMX-50 and Bat Chat Programs fell through, came about in the fallout from the Doomed Europa-Panzer joint Project which Also spawned the Leopard 1)
    T-62 ( Next in line after the T-54/55 and compatible with the German and French options, of which no other candidates for them exist)

    These three set the tone for T10 mediums, the British and Americans are forced to up scale along with them to their contemporaries at the time, being the Chieftain and M60 or T95, however these tanks are all quite balanced against each other.

    Edited:

    An Honestly If you're just going to put the L7 on the T95 you might as well just put the M60 in.
    Actually, theres another medium project soviets had before the T-62, I remember it was mentioned in this topic somewhere but too lazy to dig for it. Plus, the Chieftain is more of a heavy tank then a medium and the Centurions will do fine. Centurions were a great tank after all and If I'm not mistaken they did fight off T-62's and won...ish...so they're not underpowered compared to the T-62 and other mediums/MBT's you suggested...
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  7. Post #11567
    Fudders
    Tudd's Avatar
    September 2010
    3,265 Posts
    The Bat is like having a relationship with a super model that has mental problems. At times you will be very, very happy and other times you will be very, very unhappy with it. There is no in-between with the Bat. You can never just sit back on a Sunday and enjoy watching the game with it. It has to be the center of attention and always going full out every second. This leads to extremes. Extremely good times and extremely bad times. The Bat will not be a good mother to your children because it has to have all of you attention and always be the life of the party. If tanks were women, the Bat would be Angelina Jolie.

    The T-54 is like a very good looking woman that you have fun with but can also enjoy staying in and watching TV during a rain storm from time to time. For the most part the T-54 can do all the things a Bat can do but is just not as beautiful. However, you still have to watch the T-54 because it will leave you if you don't engage with it constantly it will leave you and take half of everything you own. If tanks were women the T-54 would be Jennifer Lawrence from the Hunger Games.

    The Patton is like a decent looking woman who is also a good mother. With the Patton you will always maintain a even temperament. The Patton will never leave you stranded. The Patton will always be there for you putting out solid damage, speed, and looks. Of course all these characteristics are not as good as the Bat, the T-54, or even the homely E-50. The Patton can always be trusted. If tanks were women the Patton would be the character Florence Henderson played in The Brady Bunch, Carol Brady.

    The E-50 is like a ugly woman who does not really care for you but will put up with you because she can not go anywhere else. She does not really like you but will always be there to put together that new entertainment cabinet for you or paint your house. You can trust her only in so far as someone else does not take her in. She may slap you around from time to time but will stay with you because she is not very attractive. If tanks were women the E-50 would be a East German woman athlete.

    So there you have it. You will develop a love-hate relationship with the Bat because the only thing you can count on it to do is be bipolar. Stay drunk with it and just enjoy the ride. However, keep in mind that the party can not last forever.
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  8. Post #11568
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Edited:

    An Honestly If you're just going to put the L7 on the T95 you might as well just put the M60 in because at that point it's essentially the same fucking tank.
    As I said the T95 is different from the M60. The T95 has composite armor and a lot more expensive. It was going to be the tank of tanks for its era but the only thing holding it back was the actual repairing of this composite armor which would've been quite hard to do on the field at the time. The T95 was lighter and faster then the M60 as well as having more protection then it did. So no, it inst "essentially the same fucking tank."
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  9. Post #11569
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    As I said the T95 is different from the M60. The T95 has composite armor and a lot more expensive. It was going to be the tank of tanks for its era but the only thing holding it back was the actual repairing of this composite armor which would've been quite hard to do on the field at the time. The T95 was lighter and faster then the M60 as well as having more protection then it did. So no, it inst "essentially the same fucking tank."
    Disregarding the fact that after the T95 failed it was recycled into the M60, the most visible component borrowed being the turret.

    and the Devs have said that composite armor isn't going to be in the game or the T110 would also have Composite.


    So yes it would function as essentially the same tank.
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  10. Post #11570
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Disregarding the fact that after the T95 failed it was recycled into the M60, the most visible component borrowed being the turret.

    and the Devs have said that composite armor isn't going to be in the game or the T110 would also have Composite.


    So yes it would function as essentially the same tank.
    T95 didnt really fail...plus, T110 didnt have composite armor planned. Unless you can find a source to say this? Most details on the T110 are hard to find and I've seen nothing from what I've read about the T110 getting composite armor.
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  11. Post #11571
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    T95 didnt really fail...plus, T110 didnt have composite armor planned. Unless you can find a source to say this? Most details on the T110 are hard to find and I've seen nothing from what I've read about the T110 getting composite armor.
    http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index....gineers-mouth/

    In monstrously complicated detail.


    Also did the T95 get into service?, No, then it failed.
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  12. Post #11572
    2014 SH Pun Award Nominee
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    January 2009
    21,194 Posts

    The Patton is like a decent looking woman who is also a good mother. With the Patton you will always maintain a even temperament. The Patton will never leave you stranded. The Patton will always be there for you putting out solid damage, speed, and looks. Of course all these characteristics are not as good as the Bat, the T-54, or even the homely E-50. The Patton can always be trusted. If tanks were women the Patton would be the character Florence Henderson played in The Brady Bunch, Carol Brady.
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    The Patton is a pile of useless mediocrity which only excells in eating shit and dieing. Your power lies in being able to spontaneously catch on fire when enemies look at you, amusing them so greatly that they lose battle effectiveness. You are slowest of all mediums, the only less armored one being BatShit crazy french pancake on crack which is actually fast and can shoot shit to death. Your literally only single advantage are high accuracy on the move and long view range.

    If Patton was a mother, it would be the kind that banished your father, gets drunk every evening, chainsmokes, and feeds you with chicken nuggets exclusively from the moment you grow your first tooth.
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  13. Post #11573
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index....gineers-mouth/

    In monstrously complicated detail.


    Also did the T95 get into service?, No, then it failed.
    IS-4 was in service and the russian military called it a fail..Plus, two weeks ago you were suggestiong the T95 as the top tier medium in this thread. Why the change in heart?

    and secondly, if you actually read the thread The_Chieftain even states there are no sources to this at all.
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  14. Post #11574
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    Awesomecaek's Avatar
    January 2009
    21,194 Posts
    Well, from view of some of the Nazi strategists, even Tiger was a failure (they wanted Panthers instead).

    Historical performance has nigh no value in the game, regardless of precision of modelling of it's on the spot performance and features, you just can't take things like reliability, range, traveling speed, repair complexity, production complexity, and so on, in consideration, so the performance of the vehicle depends on completely different things.
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  15. Post #11575
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    Plus, two weeks ago you were suggestion the T95 as the top tier medium in this thread. Why the change in heart?
    And you dismissed it as OP, why'd You bring it up again?

    and secondly, if you actually read the thread The_Chieftain even states there are no sources to this at all.
    it's word of mouth sure, but it's far to detailed for someone to just have pulled it out of their ass.
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  16. Post #11576
    Ogopogo's Avatar
    March 2011
    4,963 Posts
    They said half year if I'm not mistaken but I doubt that seeing they've only shown one picture of an actual tank they modeled and textured. But the british tree would be a great one, Sherman firefly is now apart of the free and not a premium. Plus, the top tier X heavy for it looks like a giant KV-2.
    183mm..
    Thats not the FV215b. This is the FV215b



    Same 183mm gun, on a conqueror chassis as opposed to a Centurion.



    Also, for a tier 10 medium, what about the FV4202?
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  17. Post #11577
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    January 2009
    21,194 Posts

    Has some nice dirty Challenger action.
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  18. Post #11578
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Thats not the FV215b. This is the FV215b



    Same 183mm gun, on a conqueror chassis as opposed to a Centurion.



    Also, for a tier 10 medium, what about the FV4202?

    There are two models of such, one with the big box and one without it. I can go find a picture of it "naked" if you wish me too.

    And you dismissed it as OP, why'd You bring it up again?



    it's word of mouth sure, but it's far to detailed for someone to just have pulled it out of their ass.
    After thinking for a bit between them two weeks...and..most likely the only people going to be shooting HE at you is arty, so you'll be better protected from arty and thats a good thing as far as I'm concerned
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  19. Post #11579
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    Dennab
    June 2005
    15,081 Posts
    Thats not the FV215b. This is the FV215b



    Same 183mm gun, on a conqueror chassis as opposed to a Centurion.



    Also, for a tier 10 medium, what about the FV4202?
    These tanks. I must have them.
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  20. Post #11580
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    Raidyr's Avatar
    February 2007
    23,709 Posts
    Also, for a tier 10 medium, what about the FV4202?
    It looks nice. Do it.
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  21. Post #11581
    tonks erryday
    Orkel's Avatar
    January 2005
    25,894 Posts
    Perhaps WG accounted for the "power creep" and it's the reason why Brits are being added after all the other main nations. With their 183mms and whatnot. The best come last.
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  22. Post #11582
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    After thinking for a bit between them two weeks...and..most likely the only people going to be shooting HE at you is arty, so you'll be better protected from arty and thats a good thing as far as I'm concerned
    except it wouldn't get composite armor.
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  23. Post #11583
    Dumb britbong
    C0MMUNIZT's Avatar
    April 2011
    1,919 Posts
    Actually, theres another medium project soviets had before the T-62, I remember it was mentioned in this topic somewhere but too lazy to dig for it. Plus, the Chieftain is more of a heavy tank then a medium and the Centurions will do fine. Centurions were a great tank after all and If I'm not mistaken they did fight off T-62's and won...ish...so they're not underpowered compared to the T-62 and other mediums/MBT's you suggested...
    Though this is true the only logical option for a german Tier10 medium would be a leopard 1 prototype, because of this wargaming will probabley buff the T-62 along with any of the other tier10 mediums that don't quite make it. Thus resulting in the need to add the chieftan.

    We also have to remember that wargaming will NEVER share guns between nations, they don't even let Td's use the guns from the other vehicles. So the american heavy tanks will probabley not get the L7 since its a british gun. (The only exception to this may be if they pull a typicalwargaming and change the name of the gun slightly.)

    P.s Fuck the chieftan hes just some guy who thinks he knows everything about tanks.

    Perhaps WG accounted for the "power creep" and it's the reason why Brits are being added after all the other main nations. With their 183mms and whatnot. The best come last.
    They're coming next.
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  24. Post #11584
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Though this is true the only logical option for a germany Tier10 medium would be the leopard 1 prototype, because of this wargaming will probabley buff the T-62 along with any of the other tier10 mediums that don't quite make it.

    We also have to remember that wargaming will NEVER share guns between nations, they don't even let Td's use the guns from the other vehicles. So the american heavy tanks will probabley not get the L7 since its a british gun. (The only exception to this may be if they pull a typicalwargaming and change the name of the gun slightly.)

    P.s Fuck the chieftan hes just some guy who thinks he knows everything about tanks.



    They're coming next.
    They can always use the American branded L7 105mm which was the M68(I think) 105mm. Sorta like how the french have the M58 120mm except...french'd
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  25. Post #11585
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    Oh and another thing about the Chieftain.

    He cited one book as the source for the T110 and then WG filled in the blanks.
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  26. Post #11586
    Dumb britbong
    C0MMUNIZT's Avatar
    April 2011
    1,919 Posts
    They can always use the American branded L7 105mm which was the M68(I think) 105mm. Sorta like how the french have the M58 120mm except...french'd
    I'm pretty sure I said that anyway.
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  27. Post #11587
    hilariously terrible!
    Zingly's Avatar
    April 2010
    453 Posts
    Has some nice dirty Challenger action.
    Every time I see that video I'm reminded of how different modern tanks are compared to WW2. I mean christ that turret traverse is hilariously quick for something so large.
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  28. Post #11588
    Don't drunk i'm shoot!
    Sir Spicy Buns's Avatar
    August 2010
    2,649 Posts
    So i'd really like to start joining the clan wars with you guys, i'm on the computer most of the time (atleast until about 10pm north eastern time america) I was wondering what kind of tanks you guys needed? i could grind any line you want. I'm fairly decent with my t-50 so i guess i'm a good scout
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  29. Post #11589
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    So i'd really like to start joining the clan wars with you guys, i'm on the computer most of the time (atleast until about 10pm north eastern time america) I was wondering what kind of tanks you guys needed? i could grind any line you want. I'm fairly decent with my t-50 so i guess i'm a good scout
    arty is what we're in short supply of these days, More T110s are always nice.
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  30. Post #11590
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    April 2011
    244 Posts
    IS-4 get, woop-woop. 7.3 I am ready for you with body and soul.
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  31. Post #11591
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,806 Posts
    My face when the T110 is actual profitable with premium
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  32. Post #11592
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    fishyfish777's Avatar
    November 2007
    6,143 Posts
    Perhaps WG accounted for the "power creep" and it's the reason why Brits are being added after all the other main nations. With their 183mms and whatnot. The best come last.
    What would they do about the Japanese to make them possibly overpowered compared to the germans or americans though lmao

    Their penultimate late 60's MBT consisted of a tank that went 45km/h, had an unstabilized 90mm gun and had only 60mm of armor and it's supposed to be a tier 9 medium for some reason???
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  33. Post #11593
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    sgman91's Avatar
    July 2006
    4,165 Posts
    I think I've finally figured out the purpose of arty! It's there to counter skillful tanking. Let's say there's a really good tanker who is just outplaying the enemy team with awesome angling, aiming at weak spots, etc. If you get a couple of those people on the team they are all but impossible to beat with mediocre tankers driving traditional tanks, but an arty... that's an entirely different story. An arty can beat all that skillful tanking from an uncounterable position and is completely independent on all that otherwise skillful tanking.
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  34. Post #11594
    Don't drunk i'm shoot!
    Sir Spicy Buns's Avatar
    August 2010
    2,649 Posts
    arty is what we're in short supply of these days, More T110s are always nice.
    I'll start grinding towards the t110 asap, any specific line of artillery?
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  35. Post #11595
    Secure, Contain, Protect.
    Zombii's Avatar
    October 2008
    7,972 Posts
    I'll start grinding towards the t110 asap, any specific line of artillery?
    we need 261s
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  36. Post #11596
    Ogopogo's Avatar
    March 2011
    4,963 Posts
    There are two models of such, one with the big box and one without it. I can go find a picture of it "naked" if you wish me too.
    There is the FV4005 stage 1 featuring an automatic loader and limited traverse, and the FV4005 stage 2 featuring the lightly armored "box" being fully traversable.

    It looks nice. Do it.
    The FV4202 is a centurion modified with concepts that would be later used on the chieftain (Reclined gunner position and such). Funnily enough, it actually weighed less than the centurion, but had better protection. So basically, a centurion but better in every area.





    These tanks. I must have them.
    Sadly, the FV215b may be put in as a tier 10 heavy, not because it is the best choice, but because its the only one.
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  37. Post #11597
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    February 2009
    7,184 Posts
    Scout1 demonstrates the ultimate methods of arty trolling
    ???
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  38. Post #11598
    O'Neil's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,343 Posts
    Sadly, the FV215b may be put in as a tier 10 heavy, not because it is the best choice, but because its the only one.
    What about the Chieftain 1959 prototype?
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  39. Post #11599
    Inplabth's Avatar
    October 2007
    2,002 Posts

    Replay

    The KV is and always will be my favorite tank of all time.
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  40. Post #11600
    Wiseman400's Avatar
    March 2009
    1,208 Posts
    From what I remember of yesterday you use a tank with a long gun barrel and put it inside the barrel of the arty and when he fires he hits himself somehow since the shell starts at the beginning of the barrel.
    Might have gotten it wrong but it's something like that.
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