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  1. Post #1
    Mxpklx's Avatar
    January 2011
    111 Posts
    [release]Thank you for stopping by, as I have been meaning to post this ever since I started watching Battlestar Galactica. I have thought up and compiled some scientific and completely obvious fails, and some wins, within the Science-Fiction genre. So lets get started![/release]

    [release]10. Gravity![/release]



    Now this is just plane stupid. (see what I did there) How did the writers not even think of this.... Most shows even have a scientific adviser to issues exactly like this. For example: Battlestar Gallactica has one. So if you have ever watched any movie or TV show where they visit another planet, you might notice the fact the gravity is no different than anywhere else. O.k sure its cheaper and easier to just make it with regular gravity effects, which means no gravity effects at all. Stargate is a prime example for its gravity redundancy.

    [release]9. English![/release]



    So have you ever noticed that just about every single alien on most movies and TV shows speak completely fluent English? You don't even hear them speak their native language. For example: Stargate. Once again I have to point to Stargate but its not because I hate the show, its my favorite show of all time! Every single human in the universe speaks English. If you watched the show you would under stand why this is a fail. Not even the Ga'uld speak Ga'uldian to each other in private.

    [release]8. Guns![/release]



    Not only are they the most used thing in shows and movies, they are the most crappy. I'm not saying all of them are crappy, just a few that failed so hard they deserve their own spot in the list. For example, the staff weapons, zatnikatels, and human weapons in Stargate. (please dont get mad at me for ranting at stargate so much, it still is my favorite show!)
    In defense of the staff weapons, they are apparently used for symbolism and power, but they still suck frackin cock. The fps on one of them is at least 30, and the inability to aim makes them even worse. The zatnikatels are light, highly mobile and have the accuracy of a laser pointer, but they are impossible to hold and aim. Its just painful to see them attempt to shoot one. Last but not least, Humans! In Stargate, and other shows and movies for that matter, they are given the crappiest guns possible. In Stargate, they ALWAYS carry a
    P90 smg. Sure they may be highly mobile and advanced, but when I'm going against an enemy who has over 10,000 years of technological advances on us, I wouldn' trust that thing with my life. They still may be able to take down a Jafaa in about 3 rounds, which is highly unrealistic given the advancements. The poor SG teams are constantly always sent out what is obviously a sniper mission with P90's, or in some extremely rare cases an M60 lmg, and in one episode (finally), a scoped G3. I don't have time to go over every single weapon I think is bad in detail, so I'll just list some: Mass effect's foldable guns, Lost planet's shoe box of a rifle, Star wars' clone weapons (all of them, I have held several replicas, and the are so uncomfortable its beyond me how they use it especially with clone armor on), etc....


    Oh and one more thing, I want to talk about mass effect's guns. First off the ammo is an ammo block... wtf is that. When I first saw what they were I was like "What is this, I don't even..." Here is a quote from the Mass Effect wiki. I dont understand how that would even be possible. it sounds like a good idea, but it is just not possible...
    The ammo magazine is a simple block of metal. The gun's internal computer calculates the mass needed to reach the target based on distance, gravity, and atmospheric pressure, then shears off an appropriate sized slug from the block. A single block can supply thousands of rounds, making ammo a non-issue during any engagement.
    [release]7. Vipers![/release]


    This ship fails so hard it deserves its own spot in the list. Sure, I think it is one of the coolest looking ships ever imagined, but it is so frackin impractical I could frackin frack it for all frackin day. The reason it fails: it can not stand still, not even in space. What the frack. I mean really? just take a look at it landing and taking off. Why does it need to be shot out of a tube? It has and engine and the ship has two pointless runways for frack sake. And who was the genius that put metal skid instead of wheels for landing? Why does it even have to land like that? Why can't it just come to a stop and hover down like all the other ships?

    [release]6. Getting Shot![/release]



    This one speaks for itself. Once again, for example: Stargate. In Stargate, a fully armored Jafaa will die with 3 shots in the armor. I mean really? With ten thousand years of advances over us, they cant find good armor? Hell, we have only had consistent guns for around 100 years, and we have body armor that can stop a bullet in its tracks! And dont bitch to me that the Ga'uld made the armor to protect themselves from plasma weapons, because Tealk's staff can kill anything in one hit. And humans, who have no plasma protection at all, will survive a shot. But Gauld, who have had plasma weapons for nearly 4000 years cant take a shot, even with armor. This also applies to other shows and movies. Think about it.
    And you see that picture? He got shot in the side, and is in the hospital for that small of a wound. Tell that to the SG members.

    [release]5. Warp/FTL Drive![/release]


    well you've probably seen most movies and shows with warp/FTL drives, but the issue I am going to discuss is which one is more realistic. Based on current technology, and obvious observations, I have picked some realistic, and non realistic warp drives. For example: Stargate and battlestar gallactica are the two prime examples. In stargate, a magical portal opens in front of the ship, where the ship gets magically sucked in and spewed out somewhere else. This may be a wormhole, but in this case, its not. Nothing is physically seen opening the hole, or closing it. If it were a wormhole, it would stay open for a long time, since it is basically a black hole, and it would be completely invisible. In battlestar galactica, the warp is a bit different from the others. This warp shows a strange orange-ish light "scanning" the ship before it poofs into oblivion. Not only is the scanning part completely wrong, the fact that it just accelerates to a million mph in under a millisecond is even more wrong. Most TV shows and movies do this. It is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, and it gets on my nerves. First off, any force that strong, even in space, would rip the ship apart into so many pieces it would not be recognizable from dark matter. Now the only correct warp drives so far in science fiction are stargate universe's destiny, and EVE online. The reason being is because the ship doesnt warp, it only accelerates to speeds past the speed of light at a reasonable pace. But the Destiny does much more, the blue glow when in ftl, in theory, is a shield that protects the ship from drifting debris.

    [release]4. Star Wars Vehicles![/release]



    Do I need to even explain myself on this one? I mean really.... How stupid can you be to design these slow ass immobile pieces of shit. Anything that walks is going to be shitty, except a halo scarab and 2142 walker. These ones just don't cut it. The slowness, immobileness, inaccurateness, pointlessness, and stupidness of these things are beyond comprehension.

    [release]3. Science![/release]


    This is a big issue in the fiction community, but what people like in science fiction, is the reality of it. As strange as it may seem, it's true. You don't want to see your favorite show all of a sudden go downhill when something completely out of proportions happen. that is why characters sometimes explain to another character what is going on and why it is going on. But sometimes it fails miserably. Sadly I couldn't find the video of Captain Kirk explaining what something is in a scientific like way, so I found this video instead.

    Also another thing that bugged me is in Stargate when Carter would write a program for everything and anything in like 10 minutes. wtf That's not possible. There are people who have jobs who do that for you.

    [release]2. Ships Getting Damaged![/release]


    Ok so the video does not have anything to do with it really, but its basically like that anytime the ship gets hit with a bullet. Space ships are big, heavy, metal, thick objects in space. Now If I were to shoot a cannonball at it, It would most likely penetrate the hull, but it wouldn't cause the cockpit to catch on fire and sparks to shoot out from the ceiling like in every damn tv and movie. Its like flying a tin can with c4 inside, the tiniest spark will set the whole thing off.

    [release]1. Ship Designs![/release]



    I have been wanting to write this for a while now, and here goes.... wtf were the builders thinking?!?! I mean really now, the best example for this is the Prometheus from Stargate. This ship is the ugliest and most brutal thing too look at. I'm surprised it even got off the ground in the first episode it was in. I thought for sure that gravity would tear those pointless hangar decks off like ten pound weights on a stick. The whole ship is messed up. Even Colonel O'Neil said "It's a Greek tragedy, who wants that?" Obviously not me. Not just the Prometheus, but all the X303's, X304's, and especially f302's.

    Now onto Star Wars. Their Venator class cruisers and Star Destroyers are god awful. The placement of the bridge is on a damn pedestal for enemies to hit. If the reason being why it is like that is because they cant see over the front of the ship, then move the damn thing to the inside front of the ship. I can't begin to descibe my hatred for the ugly ass ships of the entire Science Fiction genre, like the ships from the following: Battlstar Galactica, Stargate, Star Wars, Star Trek especially, etc...

    [release]And Now For Some Wins!!![/release]

    Ok now you may think that I hate everything by now, but I surprisingly don't. Here are some things I like....

    Halo. You facepunchers think it is a over-rated piece of crap story that is just plain shit. Well I don't care what you think because I think it is pure genius. So, here is why I like it...

    [release]Guns![/release]



    These are the most realistic guns I could actually see 500 years in the future. I have studied most other guns from different sci fi shows and none compare to these. They are modern, they are reliable, and they have prestigious design.

    [release]Vehicles/Ships![/release]



    That is the UNSC Halcyon class cruiser and Frigate. These are just a few examples of the most realistic ships I could see in the future. The Halcyon Class Cruiser does not have parts just sticking out of the side that gravity could tare off. The Frigate is small, and the engines would not be affected by gravity. The reason they are sticking out is for more maneuverability. And the video below is just an example of a realistic ship take off that I would expect from any ship that size, unlike when the daedalus was hijacked and just lifted up out of the ground...


    And lets not forget the regular vehicles. The UNSC Warthog, Mongoose, pelican, bumblebee, Falcon, longsword, shortsword, etc...
    They are the most possible in my opinion.



    [release]Thank you all for reading! Share your opinions![/release]
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  2. Post #2
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    Madman_Andre's Avatar
    November 2007
    7,239 Posts
    OP seems to be a Halo Fanboy.

    We frown on your kind here...
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  3. Post #3
    The Sandiest of them All!
    Lv100Garchomp's Avatar
    October 2009
    170 Posts
    OP seems to be a Halo Fanboy.

    We frown on your kind here...
    I was just about to say the same thing.
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  4. Post #4

    August 2011
    772 Posts
    TL;DR:
    Op rags on every single good and classic Sci-fi universe then praises Halo.

    Also if you construct the ship in orbit, the need for it to be pleasing to look at isn't really there, not to mention that it's a fucking space ship, yeah it's ugly as fuck but it's functional and that's what matters.
    Also pretty sure that the OP doesn't even have a basic understanding of gravity nor less any of the physics concepts.
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  5. Post #5
    [EG] Pepper's Avatar
    August 2009
    9,424 Posts


    Can't beat megamaid.
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  6. Post #6
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    Madman_Andre's Avatar
    November 2007
    7,239 Posts
    Fuck it, the OP's entire post is a load of shit. You want an idea of what Space would probably look like in 500 years go read anything ever written by David Weber. More specifically, any book set in the Honorverse. That author has written some of the hardest science fiction I've ever read(Spaceships look like a NASA design team took Speed laced with LSD,stealth is impossible, ships asplode each other from millions of kilometers away with MISSILES,etc.).
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  7. Post #7
    Valor
    Novangel's Avatar
    September 2008
    19,527 Posts
    every other scifi show is shit halo is best xDDD
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  8. Post #8
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    Madman_Andre's Avatar
    November 2007
    7,239 Posts
    Also, go here if you want a better idea of what the OP is trying to talk about(and failing to do so):http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ictionHardness

    Edited:

    every other scifi show is shit halo is best xDDD
    What a wonderful post to break my automerge with...
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  9. Post #9
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    Squeaken's Avatar
    January 2007
    3,710 Posts
    OP has no idea what he's talking about.
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  10. Post #10
    Valor
    Novangel's Avatar
    September 2008
    19,527 Posts
    I try my best
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  11. Post #11
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    ShazzyFreak0's Avatar
    October 2006
    1,891 Posts
    yes. still using ballistic weapons and flat metal plate armor 500 years into the future sure is correct!!! (it's not)


    no shit the mongoose and warthog are most possible because they are based off of a car/truck and an atv.
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  12. Post #12
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    hl2poo's Avatar
    November 2005
    4,426 Posts
    It's called Sci-Fi for a reason.
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  13. Post #13
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    July 2007
    8,973 Posts
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  14. Post #14
    boy i sure do love it when my title doesnt fit
    LuaChobo's Avatar
    December 2009
    6,495 Posts
    If OP is not trolling, this thread is amazing.
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  15. Post #15
    Do not get me wrong, I love Halo in all of its amazing story glory, but this just sounds like the ramblings of an idiot.
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  16. Post #16
    Valor
    Novangel's Avatar
    September 2008
    19,527 Posts
    Thread of the year obv
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  17. Post #17
    Judge, Jury, & Executioner
    Rusty100's Avatar
    September 2005
    63,901 Posts
    That turned into a Halo circlejerk really fast
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  18. Post #18
    Valor
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    September 2008
    19,527 Posts
    Fuck it, the OP's entire post is a load of shit. You want an idea of what Space would probably look like in 500 years go read anything ever written by David Weber. More specifically, any book set in the Honorverse. That author has written some of the hardest science fiction I've ever read(Spaceships look like a NASA design team took Speed laced with LSD,stealth is impossible, ships asplode each other from millions of kilometers away with MISSILES,etc.).
    Oh my fuck fuck that guy he made me waste my goddamn time with Out of the Dark piece of shit sci fi vampires deus ex machina bullshit.
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  19. Post #19
    boy i sure do love it when my title doesnt fit
    LuaChobo's Avatar
    December 2009
    6,495 Posts
    quick guys lets all say how much we hate halo
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  20. Post #20
    Aw_Hell's Avatar
    July 2009
    1,158 Posts
    Wow. . . Just, wow. . .

  21. Post #21
    Tabasco Lord
    Dennab
    September 2005
    9,927 Posts
    Its like flying a tin can with c4 inside, the tiniest spark will set the whole thing off
    Do you even know how C4 works?
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    January 2012
    24 Posts
    tiniest spark will set the whole thing off
    You can set C4 on fire and it will burn slowly, like any organic fuel such as wood. It takes a bit more than a "spark" to set off the explosive chemicals on the inside.
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  23. Post #23
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    Arachnidus's Avatar
    July 2007
    7,544 Posts
    OP seems to be a Halo Fanboy.

    We frown on your kind here...
    As much as I love Halo...it's not even remotely as realistic as you're saying, OP. The designs look realistic because they're based on modern day ones. They're supposed to evoke feelings of modern humanity fighting an alien foe, so that the player can sympathize. Halo still falls into many a plot hole; artificial gravity, time travel, slipspace, etc. And then there's the whole 10k-diameter ring world/superweapon.

    Edited:

    And don't get me started on the simple mechanics of MJOLNIR armor, the Pillar of Autumn's liftoff at the end of Reach, and a bunch of different things about Covenant technology.
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  24. Post #24
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    Rob Markia's Avatar
    January 2007
    478 Posts
    Halo, lol.
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  25. Post #25
    LDTInsomniac's Avatar
    January 2012
    24 Posts
    Artificial gravity in that sense is possible. You just need a floor material of extremely high density so it has it's own gravity?
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  26. Post #26
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    ntzu's Avatar
    August 2005
    1,144 Posts
    As part of the English, you should have included on how sometimes aliens actually use lingo they couldn't have possibly known unless they lived on Earth. In some shows Ive seen aliens who use figures of speech that were obviously created on Earth.
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    LDTInsomniac's Avatar
    January 2012
    24 Posts
    Actually, now that I've looked it up, Artificial Gravity has been mading using superconducters, magnets and a lot of electricity. For it to work on a ship you would just need to improve the technology.
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  28. Post #28
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    June 2009
    8,467 Posts
    OP seems to be a Halo Fanboy.

    We frown on your kind here...
    There's nothing wrong with liking Halo. But there are many other, as well as better, examples of science fiction. Such as Battlestar Galactica.
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  29. Post #29
    I LIKE BIG DUCKS AND I CANNOT LIE, YOU OTHER QUACKS CAN'T DENY
    Dennab
    December 2008
    13,542 Posts
    Who cares it's fiction it's not supposed to be realistic.
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  30. Post #30
    If life gives you melons, you may be dyslexic.
    Liem's Avatar
    November 2011
    7,079 Posts


    Can't beat megamaid.
    Ludicrous Speed
    Cause warp just wasn't fast enough
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  31. Post #31
    goatse
    Craptasket's Avatar
    January 2006
    33,043 Posts
    HALO 1 IS THE BEST HALO
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  32. Post #32
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    borisvdb's Avatar
    July 2007
    2,337 Posts
    It looks cool.
    Science fiction writers dont have to prove shit, they put in whatever the fuck they want.
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  33. Post #33
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    July 2007
    7,544 Posts
    I mean, just on Halo alone...dude, the frigates are still fucking huge, relative to a human being. All the Halo ships are, they're built in space, and not subject to the concerns of a planetside launch. Even more, the ships are designed as such to minimize surface area. They're warships, the smaller a sensor signature you display and the smaller a target you are, the harder it is to get blown up. Very rarely do they ever even land or operate in atmosphere. We see that happen in the games for the sake of exposition and fun. Stargate, if anything, tends to be more realistic because it's based on several degrees of hard science. Stretched to the limit, but it's a start. Halo is to the rest of these series as Star Wars was to Star Trek. Not as grounded in reality, lacking several explanations behind the tech, and most of the main canon (in this case, the games) ignores the tech of the series for the sake of drama. The expanded universe touches on it, but we're still well into the realm of science fiction.

    No modern sci-fi really comes close to reality. We haven't had a hard sci-fi series (as far as I know) that really, truly approaches strong factual integrity for years. Mass Effect is the only one I can think of, and even then, Mass Effect Fields. Enough said.
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  34. Post #34
    metromod.net
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    April 2010
    2,216 Posts
    is this a version of badage boys?
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  35. Post #35
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    December 2007
    6,727 Posts
    Halo's ships suck in science content compared to Mass Effect's - it's one of the few sci-fis I've seen address problems like charge or heat buildup and the fact that there's a NEED to dissipate such things before they reach dangerous levels.
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  36. Post #36
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    August 2011
    25 Posts
    Who gives a shit. It's science FICTION.
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  37. Post #37
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    June 2008
    7,633 Posts
    Do you not understand space or gravity? You keep saying how protrusions will be ripped off when referring to ships that will never enter a planet's atmosphere.

    Half your points are just plain wrong and the other issues you talk about are obviously for badass effect.

    Also how you can think the pelican is realistic is beyond me. It's so damn big and bulky with a tiny cargo hold while constantly flying like a VTOL which is probably the most inefficient way possible.
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  38. Post #38
    CP doesn't necessarily have to have a victim, it's just that 99.9% of the time it does. The thing with pedos is that they've been demonized to be horrible no matter what, and I don't think that's the case.
    Cheesemonkey's Avatar
    April 2006
    16,101 Posts
    hahahahahahahaha
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  39. Post #39
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    Dennab
    February 2009
    3,687 Posts
    Of all the things to moan about, why didn't you bring up the fact that most aliens look like humans with slightly altered features? Startrek is very guilty of this. So is Stargate but at least they give a reason.

    Edited:

    Also

    SCIENCE

    FICTION
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    CP doesn't necessarily have to have a victim, it's just that 99.9% of the time it does. The thing with pedos is that they've been demonized to be horrible no matter what, and I don't think that's the case.
    Cheesemonkey's Avatar
    April 2006
    16,101 Posts
    Also how you can think the pelican is realistic is beyond me. It's so damn big and bulky with a tiny cargo hold while constantly flying like a VTOL which is probably the most inefficient way possible.
    its p clearly a thing for dropping equipment behind enemy lines and the entire thing is made entirely of engines so i dont see a problem??
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