1. Post #1
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    Sprelle's Avatar
    January 2007
    636 Posts
    I wonder if a person does somthing bad or something else, does he/she deserve another chance?
    ->Norwegian prison/Detainment is based around that everyone deserves another chance, even the worst bunch.

    I would like to know your opinons, and if i can believe myself; that i deserve another chance.

  2. Post #2
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    Squeaken's Avatar
    January 2007
    3,710 Posts
    I think people deserve a second chance if they work for it.

  3. Post #3
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    gamefreek76's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,239 Posts
    If somebody is truly trying to change or make up for what they did, then yes.

  4. Post #4
    ryfry99's Avatar
    February 2009
    3,135 Posts
    Only if they try to make an effort to try to right their wrong.

  5. Post #5
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    Sprelle's Avatar
    January 2007
    636 Posts
    Thanks for the opinons, seems like its just one answer; We deserve another chance if we really mean it.

  6. Post #6
    Kryzech's Avatar
    May 2007
    522 Posts
    Crazy lady from http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1158259
    does not deserve another chance.

  7. Post #7
    coolsteve's Avatar
    January 2012
    117 Posts
    It comes down to what their crime was.

    This I can't put into words well.
    But things such as pedophilia which is a mental disorder make it harder to give a second chance, because being a mental disorder they don't have control over it. Pedophilia can probably be treated after a long while though, but it would require lots of help and work. If the person simply went to jail then was released, nothing would change.

  8. Post #8
    Dbl_Deg's Avatar
    January 2011
    302 Posts
    It comes down to what their crime was.

    This I can't put into words well.
    But things such as pedophilia which is a mental disorder make it harder to give a second chance, because being a mental disorder they don't have control over it. Pedophilia can probably be treated after a long while though, but it would require lots of help and work. If the person simply went to jail then was released, nothing would change.
    yes

  9. Post #9
    lulzbocksV2's Avatar
    April 2011
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    Crazy lady from http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1158259
    does not deserve another chance.
    She had like a dozen chances and she blew them all.

  10. Post #10
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    Turnips5's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,137 Posts
    It's statistically retarded to judge someone on an initial failure.

  11. Post #11
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    Kung Fu Jew's Avatar
    November 2006
    5,681 Posts
    It's statistically retarded to judge someone on an initial failure.
    literally, in that it slows down the formation of legitimate statistics on how people perform after screwing up because instead of being out there and proving themselves, they're locked in a cell or dead

  12. Post #12
    Borat19981029's Avatar
    January 2012
    17 Posts
    Let's Give Anders Breivik a second Chance

  13. Post #13
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    May 2005
    2,268 Posts
    Giving another chance to everyone isn't always the best idea.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Clemmons

  14. Post #14
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    May 2011
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    Only if they are fully committed to fixing themselves.

  15. Post #15
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    Zeke129's Avatar
    July 2007
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    Only if they are fully committed to fixing themselves.
    I find this attitude kind of interesting. When someone commits a crime, the state takes custody of them. They no longer have the same freedoms as we do, most apparent of all the freedom to right their wrongs. (You can't do that from within a cell)

    So shouldn't it be the state's responsibility to ensure rehabilitation?

    The Norwegian system, for example, is a lot more open and involves more interaction with society on the part of inmates so rehabilitation on their own accord is possible. But in the American system, inmates are isolated from society. It seems hypocritical and frankly rather ignorant to expect inmates of the American criminal justice system to rehabilitate themselves when your government does not afford them the opportunity to do so.


    It's also an interesting bit of irony (I think it's irony) that this attitude is becoming increasingly more exclusive to America. Elsewhere, people recognize the role of the state in rehabilitation.

  16. Post #16
    Lukasaurus's Avatar
    October 2010
    1,166 Posts
    No. No one deserves another chance. No amount of work and effort will undo any crime. It is up to the mercy and forgiveness of others as to whether we grant them one. Thankfully, people are more forgiving than not.

  17. Post #17
    DaMastez's Avatar
    October 2008
    2,398 Posts
    I believe it depends on the crime and the circumstances surrounding the crime; but, in general if possible people should be given a second, and perhaps even a third chance depending on the crime.

  18. Post #18
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    minilandstan's Avatar
    September 2009
    14,853 Posts
    Sure, I give second chances.

    Third chances though? Not really

    I mean, if the person made a mistake, at least let them make up for it. If they did it again, they're idiots for not learning the first time.

  19. Post #19
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    Lol-Nade's Avatar
    September 2008
    3,740 Posts
    Sure, I give second chances.

    Third chances though? Not really

    I mean, if the person made a mistake, at least let them make up for it. If they did it again, they're idiots for not learning the first time.
    Three strikes, you're out. Works everywhere.

  20. Post #20
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    October 2007
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    I find this attitude kind of interesting. When someone commits a crime, the state takes custody of them. They no longer have the same freedoms as we do, most apparent of all the freedom to right their wrongs. (You can't do that from within a cell)

    So shouldn't it be the state's responsibility to ensure rehabilitation?

    The Norwegian system, for example, is a lot more open and involves more interaction with society on the part of inmates so rehabilitation on their own accord is possible. But in the American system, inmates are isolated from society. It seems hypocritical and frankly rather ignorant to expect inmates of the American criminal justice system to rehabilitate themselves when your government does not afford them the opportunity to do so.


    It's also an interesting bit of irony (I think it's irony) that this attitude is becoming increasingly more exclusive to America. Elsewhere, people recognize the role of the state in rehabilitation.
    I like some of the ideas that some places in the US has, like letting prisoners volunteer to help in the fire service and stuff like that.

  21. Post #21
    a dumb bear's Avatar
    June 2011
    3,253 Posts
    If they are willing to change, then yes.

  22. Post #22
    I'd buy that for a dollar
    Dennab
    September 2008
    5,876 Posts
    I believe that EVERYONE deserves at least a few extra chances. I know I honestly fucked highschool bad, got suspended for racism once, fighting all the time. But I finally realized what a fucking idiot I was being and came around. Also, the racism was me just being mad and trying to make them upset, stupid girl kept chunking food at me in the cafeteria, so no im not a racist
    But if you are honestly just taking advantage of people's good nature then no, no more chances.

  23. Post #23
    As long as they try. I mean if Osama had sent messages to all the families apologizing, along with some of his personal wealth, then surrendering him self and his people to the authorities, I may have felt bad if they outright shot him and not life prison or something.

    But then again, I am an over sympathetic idiot and would probably be fine if he just said sorry.

  24. Post #24
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    RichyZ's Avatar
    September 2007
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    Let's Give Anders Breivik a second Chance
    he was found to be legally insane, so yes, if he is ever "cured" of crazy, he can have a second chance.

  25. Post #25
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    Sprelle's Avatar
    January 2007
    636 Posts
    he was found to be legally insane, so yes, if he is ever "cured" of crazy, he can have a second chance.
    Everyone deserves another chance, as long he/she really is in for it. Even if its hard to let him get another chance.

  26. Post #26
    GetOutOfBox's Avatar
    April 2009
    847 Posts
    I think that most people deserve a second chance, however people such as sadistic murderers, where the risk of the possibility they will commit the crime again is too much of a risk, I believe should remain imprisoned. Not as revenge, but for the safety of society.

  27. Post #27
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    Dead people can't redeem themselves. So yes.

  28. Post #28
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    tomatmann's Avatar
    August 2005
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    Anders Behring Breivik is a mass murderer.
    So why not give him another chance?

  29. Post #29
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    Anders Behring Breivik is a mass murderer.
    So why not give him another chance?
    That Troy Davis guy shot a cop too, why give him a second chance?

  30. Post #30
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    tomatmann's Avatar
    August 2005
    1,892 Posts
    That Troy Davis guy shot a cop too, why give him a second chance?
    you obviously never read or heard about what Anders behring breivik did.
    he never shot Amy police officer. ONLY white and non whites children.

  31. Post #31
    Bawbag's Avatar
    December 2011
    530 Posts
    no

  32. Post #32
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    you obviously never read or heard about what Anders behring breivik did.
    he never shot Amy police officer. ONLY white and non whites children.
    Whoosh. Why throw out an entire carton due to one bad egg?

  33. Post #33
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    March 2011
    331 Posts
    Whoosh. Why throw out an entire carton due to one bad egg?
    http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5535461

  34. Post #34
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    tomatmann's Avatar
    August 2005
    1,892 Posts
    Whoosh. Why throw out an entire carton due to one bad egg?

  35. Post #35

    August 2011
    16 Posts
    I think that most people deserve a second chance, however people such as sadistic murderers, where the risk of the possibility they will commit the crime again is too much of a risk, I believe should remain imprisoned. Not as revenge, but for the safety of society.
    ^ this.
    In general everyday life, people (as a general rule) should be given a second chance if they're willing to atone and are genuinely ready. Sometimes it's conditional: counseling, medication or even a good argument.

  36. Post #36
    NeonpieDFTBA's Avatar
    January 2012
    939 Posts
    I would say Protection of the Public>Rehabilitation>Punishment.

  37. Post #37
    Desuh's Avatar
    November 2011
    10,659 Posts
    In general: yes.

    You change constantly. Just remember all the silly things you did when you were younger. With criminals it's the same on a large basis. Even a mass murder rapist can suddenly realize that what he did was terrible and try to change himself and contribute to society.

  38. Post #38
    Lukasaurus's Avatar
    October 2010
    1,166 Posts
    You are all basing it off your feelings.

    Why does anyone DESERVE another chance. What has any criminal done that has merited another chance? How can they possibly EARN another chance, when they cannot ever fix what they did, and I am talking about any crime - theft, rape, murder, tax evasion etc. You can't undo it. You might make restitution, but you don't deserve a second chance.

    The only chance they have is if society gives them one. Which is why I said above that it is a good thing that society in general is a lot more forgiving and willing to give people another go than the law which governs various countries.

    I'm not at all saying "criminals should stay locked up forever". I am saying that they have done nothing to deserve another chance, and it is only because of mercy/pity/remorse/whatever that they get one.

    A kid steals a car, goes on a joy ride and kills another kid in a crash. He goes to jail. Rightfully so. Ten years on, he has been well behaved in jail, he has earned an education inside, and is remorseful for what he has done. Has he earnt a second chance? Nope. The kid is still dead. He can't undo the damage. Should he get a second chance. Yes. Because if we can't show forgiveness and compassion to others who had made mistakes in a time of unrest, how can we expect anyone to show it to us.

  39. Post #39
    Crom's Avatar
    February 2012
    7 Posts
    ^ this.
    In general everyday life, people (as a general rule) should be given a second chance if they're willing to atone and are genuinely ready. Sometimes it's conditional: counseling, medication or even a good argument.
    on the conditional side, what if the ex-crim depends on said medication, if the medication they needed to be more stable was too run dry on the market, and hes giving obvious signs that he might lose it and harm someone, but not enough that he can be detained for it. it would be the systems fault for his actions from that point on.

    The justice system is in place to protect society, there is limits on too much and too few, but letting loose a past ex-crim with a dependent or limited solution is conflicting with protection of society.

    i believe that many criminals are allowed to be atoned and re-introduced into society, but the many complexities involved makes me not want to take it lightly.

  40. Post #40
    w00tf1zh's Avatar
    October 2010
    239 Posts
    It really depends. Child molesters/rapists doesn't deserve a second chance at all.

    Edited:

    he was found to be legally insane, so yes, if he is ever "cured" of crazy, he can have a second chance.
    Also, he was not found to be insane, but mentally stable.