1. Post #1
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    September 2006
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    The government has published its first ever estimates for the proportion of foreign-born people who are claiming working-age benefits in the UK.

    It found that 371,000 migrants made claims last year, the vast majority of which were legitimate.

    The research suggests workers born abroad may be less likely to claim benefits than UK nationals.

    A sampling exercise found 2% may not have rights to benefits - but the government could not say for certain.

    Before the coalition government came to power the nationality of benefit claimants was not recorded.

    The government has now tried to link records on benefits, border control and tax for those who came to work, study or visit.

    - As of February 2011, there were 5.5m people were receiving working-age benefits. Some 371,000 of those were foreign nationals when they first came to the UK, representing 6.4% of the claimants.

    - Almost 17% of all British nationals receive these benefits compared with almost 7% of all those classed as non-UK nationals when they first arrived in the UK.

    - More than half of those receiving a benefit had in fact at some point become British citizens, meaning they had the same rights as people born British.

    Working-age benefits include jobseeker's allowance, income support, carer's allowance and disability living allowance.

    A follow-up sample by the DWP looked at 9,000 people who had come to the UK from outside of Europe. It found that 98% of them could claim working-age benefits because of their legitimate ties to the UK.

    Approximately 125 people were thought to have no right to claim benefits - but the DWP report stressed there would need to be further investigations because people could have made valid claims before later losing their right to be in the UK.

    Employment Minister Chris Grayling denied that the report was scaremongering and said the full picture was not clear. He said the study showed the vast majority of foreign-born nationals who claimed benefits were entitled to them.

    "I think it's really important for the credibility of our benefits system... that we should understand the mix of people who come from other countries who are claiming benefits," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
    "We are now going to go through all the people who we've not being able to identify and we're going to repeat that exercise across the full 250,000 to have a system in which people can have confidence."

    The employment minister said he wanted to reduce net migration and ensure the UK system did not attract "benefit tourists".

    But Scott Blinder of Oxford University's Migration Observatory, an expert study group, said: "It's perfectly reasonable for the Government to want to understand the interaction between immigration and the benefits system, but the way this has been reported has been problematic and significantly misleading for two reasons.

    "Firstly, it has been publicised in manner that has created the impression that migrants are particularly likely to claim benefits, when even the report itself clearly identifies that migrants are substantially less likely to claim benefits that the UK-born population.

    "Secondly, the report lumps together all "migrants" including British citizens who were born abroad - and who clearly have the same rights to benefits as all other British citizens - and migrants who have no legal claim to be in the UK at all."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16643677
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    Some positive news about migrant workers here, but I know it's going to be turned into a xenophobic hate fest by the gutter press.
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    representing 6.4% of the claimants.
    Oh wow, thats quite impressive

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    May 2006
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    I wonder what sort of excuse the skinhead movement will come up with for that statistic. "RESULTS FAKED! SEIG HEIL!"
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    Reminds me of the statistic that said unemployment insurance fraud in the US exists at 2% of all claims.

    As in very low.

    At least now the Conservatives can get to talking about how it creates dependency and whatever other drivel benefits supposedly cause.
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    Okay, this is only half-related to the UK but going by the posts above it seems like there's a shitload of racial tension over there, is this true?
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    Okay, this is only half-related to the UK but going by the posts above it seems like there's a shitload of racial tension over there, is this true?
    Yes. All the morons and gutter trash believe that unemployment levels are the fault of immigrants.
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    Okay, this is only half-related to the UK but going by the posts above it seems like there's a shitload of racial tension over there, is this true?

    It's because as we're in Europe we have no choice but to allow Europeans in, so this gives us people to blame for the lack of jobs and the debt.

    So because of this a lot of people support leaving the EU and parties such as the UK Independence Party are getting a lot more popular.

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    Dennab
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    Yes. All the morons and gutter trash believe that unemployment levels are the fault of immigrants.
    In reality its the fault of the morons and gutter trash.
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    In reality its the fault of the morons and gutter trash.
    No, It's the fault of global economic collapse, moronic investments in failing companies, bailouts, and overall it's mostly on the shoulders of the governments of the world.

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    No, It's the fault of global economic collapse, moronic investments in failing companies, bailouts, and overall it's mostly on the shoulders of the governments of the world.
    aka excessive government intervention
    am I right or am I right?

    down with the New World Order!
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    aka excessive government intervention
    am I right or am I right?

    down with the New World Order!
    Don't be sarcastic with me, sonny. You don't live in this country. Bloody immigrants! Oi Oi Oi! Eng-er-laaaand! Eng-er-Laaand!
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    Don't be sarcastic with me, sonny. You don't live in this country. Bloody immigrants! Oi Oi Oi! Eng-er-laaaand! Eng-er-Laaand!
    They have muslamic ray-guns.

    Chance of any of our newspapers reporting on this? 0% is my estimate.
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    Don't be sarcastic with me, sonny. You don't live in this country. Bloody immigrants! Oi Oi Oi! Eng-er-laaaand! Eng-er-Laaand!
    The phrase I'm goin' on a march... 'cause I want Britain to be back British... comes to mind right now.


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    This probably isn't a good idea
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    October 2007
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    They have muslamic ray-guns.

    Chance of any of our newspapers reporting on this? 0% is my estimate.
    The broadsheets probably will. The Tabloids though? Not so likely.

    I'm also not surprised by this at all.

  16. Post #16
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    September 2006
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    Actually The Sun has published an article about it, although they've made it sound slightly different...: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...mmigrants.html


  17. Post #17

    May 2007
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    Oh god... the comments on the sun website... make me want to punch stuff.

    "THERE IS LESS BRITS ON BENEFITS THAN IMMOGRATS
    FACT"

    Winner!

    "As of February 2011, there were 5.5m people receiving working-age benefits. Some 371,000 of those were foreign nationals when they first came to the UK, representing 6.4% of the claimants."

    oh wait....
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    Oh god... the comments on the sun website... make me want to punch stuff.

    "THERE IS LESS BRITS ON BENEFITS THAN IMMOGRATS
    FACT"

    Winner!

    "As of February 2011, there were 5.5m people receiving working-age benefits. Some 371,000 of those were foreign nationals when they first came to the UK, representing 6.4% of the claimants."

    oh wait....
    "This country really is a joke - us poor working classes are being taken for mugs day after day!! Send these people back where they came from - sod their so called human rights. Whay about ours?"
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    The phrase I'm goin' on a march... 'cause I want Britain to be back British... comes to mind right now.

    Thank god that skinhead is defending our country, it makes me feel safe that people like him are out there defending me from the evil immigrant horde.
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  20. Post #20
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    Dennab
    January 2006
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    Okay, this is only half-related to the UK but going by the posts above it seems like there's a shitload of racial tension over there, is this true?
    "if you want a nigger for a neighbor, vote liberal or labour"


    it's a bunch of idiots that ruin it for everyone else by bothering people whose lives they know nothing about.

    that extents to every ethnic and non-ethnic population in the UK.
    "it's political correctness gone mad!!!!"

  21. Post #21
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    You can blame the media like the daily mail for a lot of that, considering they like to emphasis British nationalism.