1. Post #201
    It's a matter of principles. It has nothing to do with physical strength.
    Saying it's a matter of principles doesn't make it correct.
    Why do those principles exist, and why are they necessary and correct?

  2. Post #202
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Well in the end it all boils down to not being selfish and taking one for the team.
    In a perfect world, we would all share this quality.

  3. Post #203
    Well in the end it all boils down to not being selfish and taking one for the team.
    In a perfect world, we would all share this quality.
    Perfect world scenarios are pointless because in a perfect world no one dies and no ships wreck.
    So why are women allowed to be 'selfish' and keep their lives instead of 'taking one for the team' like all the men are apparently supposed to?

  4. Post #204
    coco911231's Avatar
    August 2009
    7,895 Posts
    Perfect world scenarios are pointless because in a perfect world no one dies and no ships wreck.
    So why are women allowed to be 'selfish' and keep their lives instead of 'taking one for the team' like all the men are apparently supposed to?
    Because that's just what men do.

  5. Post #205
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    I can understand, how you as a woman, have a hard time understanding how one could ever possibly value someone else's life more than your own.
    I'm not even gonna try to explain it.

  6. Post #206
    Because that's just what men do.
    Why?

    Edited:

    I can understand, how you as a woman, have a hard time understanding how one could ever possibly value someone else's life more than your own. I'm not even gonna try to explain it.
    You can't explain it because it's wrong.
    Also, I'm transgendered. Male to female. I know what it's like to be a man, so don't give me that shit.
    I want explanations.

  7. Post #207
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Ok then you're just selfish. That's all.

  8. Post #208
    NeonpieDFTBA's Avatar
    January 2012
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    I can understand, how you as a woman, have a hard time understanding how one could ever possibly value someone else's life more than your own.
    I'm not even gonna try to explain it.
    I, as a guy, value some other peoples lives above mine and would sacrifice my life for theirs, but that is MY CHOICE. Forcing someone to do so or creating a construct in which they are taught that they must is wrong. Also, the point that a man can impregnate multiple women is nullified by societies objection to bigamy.

  9. Post #209
    Ok then you're just selfish. That's all.
    No, I am not. I would be likely to give someone else my seat, not because they were a woman, not because they were a man, but because they were a fucking person.
    And how fucking cold are you that you criticize someone for not being willing to die?

  10. Post #210
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    I, as a guy, value some other peoples lives above mine and would sacrifice my life for theirs, but that is MY CHOICE. Forcing someone to do so or creating a construct in which they are taught that they must is wrong.
    Yeah I guess, that's a good point man.

  11. Post #211
    Yeah I guess, that's a good point man.
    Yes, it is.
    So, just gonna ignore my post then?

  12. Post #212
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    No, I am not. I would be likely to give someone else my seat, not because they were a woman, not because they were a man, but because they were a fucking person.
    Hey don't worry babe, I'm sure someone would give up his seat for you. You don't have to try so hard. You either "get it" or you don't.
    And how fucking cold are you that you criticize someone for not being willing to die?
    It's not that that person is not willing to die. It's that that person is not willing to put another person's life ahead of his.

  13. Post #213
    Head over heels in love with Pudding~
    Dennab
    January 2012
    5,547 Posts
    I can understand, how you as a woman, have a hard time understanding how one could ever possibly value someone else's life more than your own.
    I'm not even gonna try to explain it.
    Haha, oh wow.

  14. Post #214
    Hey don't worry babe, I'm sure someone would give up his seat for you. You don't have to try so hard. You either "get it" or you don't.

    It's not that that person is not willing to die. It's that that person is not willing to put another person's life ahead of his.
    Don't you fucking call me 'babe'. I'm not a dainty little fucking flower.
    When you get down to it, most people in an emergency aren't going to think like they would outside the situation.
    As soon as you face death your first instinct is going to be survive, not 'welp DYING TIME FOH MEEEE'.

  15. Post #215
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    As soon as you face death your first instinct is going to be survive, not 'welp DYING TIME FOH MEEEE'.
    And this is what separates the men from the transgendered boys.

    (User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - rilez))

  16. Post #216
    NeonpieDFTBA's Avatar
    January 2012
    822 Posts
    And this is what separates the men from the transgendered boys.
    And THAT is what separates those with tact from those without.

  17. Post #217
    And this is what separates the men from the transgendered boys.
    Stop saying 'men' like all men act the same way.
    Every person is different, and men aren't all sexist idiots so wrapped up in BEING MANLY GRRR GRR WEIGHTS AND SHIT like you are.
    Even by that stupid manly shit you try and force on others, you aren't even manly. You have a fucking anime avatar.
    I hate people like you, so wrapped up in trying to be manly that you make yourself look insecure, so you have to insult other people's manliness in order to make yourself feel good.

    Men don't fucking exist the way you think they do.
    You aren't this:

    You're this:


    (User was banned for this post ("This has nothing to do with the debate. Report and move on." - rilez))

  18. Post #218
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Take it easy, girlfriend. I'm one of the un-manliest fella you'll ever meet. Trust me on that one.

  19. Post #219
    Take it easy, girlfriend. I'm one of the un-manliest fella you'll ever meet. Trust me on that one.
    Then why are you in here going "UGH THAT'S WHAT MEN DO MEN DO THIS MEN ARE TOUGH MEN MEN MEN"

  20. Post #220
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Because it's true. And the time will come when you will realize it as well.

  21. Post #221
    Because it's true.
    Really?
    Well, I'm eager to see your source which gives a definite factual guide on what men do, and also proves that ideas of manliness aren't subjective from person to person.

    I can just shout REAL MEN FUCK CHIMPANZEES and that holds about as much weight as you just saying it's totally true does.

  22. Post #222
    White Fusion will love him forever and ever~
    Rents's Avatar
    January 2012
    10,639 Posts
    Because it's true. And the time will come when you will realize it as well.
    stickied rules posted:
    One rule I would like to enforce is that if you're debating and state something as a fact - if challenged you need to produce proof. If you can't you get banned.

  23. Post #223
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Really?
    Well, I'm eager to see your source which gives a definite factual guide on what men do, and also proves that ideas of manliness aren't subjective from person to person.
    "Manliness" isn't really the right word, sorry if I used it. It's just a guy thing.
    I can just shout REAL MEN FUCK CHIMPANZEES and that holds about as much weight as you just saying it's totally true does.
    ._.

    what

  24. Post #224
    White Fusion will love him forever and ever~
    Rents's Avatar
    January 2012
    10,639 Posts
    And this is what separates the men from the transgendered boys.
    I think you hit a berserk button with this.

  25. Post #225
    "Manliness" isn't really the right word, sorry if I used it. It's just a guy thing.

    ._.

    what
    waiting for a source that it is factually a guy thing

  26. Post #226
    Ask me about my .gif fetish
    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
    3,594 Posts
    1 week ago:
    I would put my life ahead of anyone else's. I think we all are obligated to.
    today:
    If you're a man and you don't agree with "women and children first" then you are nothing more than a coward. It has nothing to do with what's best for the species. A single accident won't affect humanity at all. It's about being a man. Your duty is to protect the weak. Don't be fucking cowards.
    What happened in the last week to make you change your mind completely?

  27. Post #227
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    waiting for a source that it is factually a guy thing
    I'm sorry I don't know how I'm supposed to prove this?
    I think you hit a berserk button with this.
    Yeah, just for the record, I'm just messing around of course.
    What happened in the last week to make you change your mind completely?
    I changed my mind completely? I think those two statements agree with each other. Or what do you mean?

  28. Post #228
    White Fusion will love him forever and ever~
    Rents's Avatar
    January 2012
    10,639 Posts
    I changed my mind completely? I think those two statements agree with each other. Or what do you mean?
    Uhh, you went from a "selfish", "cowardly" putting your own safety first to proclaiming your "duty to protect the weak".

  29. Post #229
    I'm sorry I don't know how I'm supposed to prove this?
    You figure it out, if it's such a fact then I'm sure there must be proof.
    That is unless it's not a fact at all and you just think your opinion is fact.
    Yeah, just for the record, I'm just messing around of course.
    Trolling is bannable.

  30. Post #230
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Oh shit... now I see it. That.. doesn't sound too good.

    Of course what I meant was that I would put anybody else's life ahead of mine.
    Not the other way around.

  31. Post #231
    tier56's Avatar
    October 2010
    4,765 Posts
    If you're a man and you don't agree with "women and children first" then you are nothing more than a coward. It has nothing to do with what's best for the species. A single accident won't affect humanity at all. It's about being a man. Your duty is to protect the weak. Don't be fucking cowards.
    Exactly when did it become the duty of every man to 'protect the weak'?

  32. Post #232
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    It's not trolling, it's messing around!
    What is this, the gentlemen's club?

  33. Post #233
    It's not trolling, it's messing around!
    What is this, the gentlemen's club?
    You said something with the obvious intention of sounding like an asshole to piss me off (which you did)
    It's the exact same reason big strong douchebags who use their strength to intimidate you then giggling like an idiot and saying they're just messing with you isn't cool at all.

  34. Post #234
    tier56's Avatar
    October 2010
    4,765 Posts
    It's not trolling, it's messing around!
    What is this, the gentlemen's club?
    No, this is the Mass Debate forums, usually when you say something in a debate, we all expect you to somehow back up your argument with logical facts so we can take it seriously.

  35. Post #235
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Hey, I'm sorry.

  36. Post #236
    Gold Member
    Upgrade123's Avatar
    January 2008
    5,478 Posts
    Gender roles/stereotypes as a whole are stupid and outdated. They served a purpose, but they don't anymore.

  37. Post #237
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    May 2011
    4,314 Posts
    Children first because they have their entire lives ahead of them

    But I don't know about women first in a disaster related situation.

  38. Post #238
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    December 2007
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    I can understand, how you as a woman, have a hard time understanding how one could ever possibly value someone else's life more than your own.
    I'm not even gonna try to explain it.
    Well I am a woman and I don't understand how my life is more valuable than a man's. Of course on a purely selfish basis I would want to survive but looking at the big picture I don't think it's fair that men should be made expendable, this isn't like opening a door for a woman (although I think people should do this for everyone) but asking people to let themselves die. If a man does this by his own choice then its his own choice but being forced to let yourself die because of an old fashioned social principle isn't fair and picturing myself in that position is horrific. This isn't a world of "perfect" heroes who could sacrifice themselves for a stranger without questioning it once, it's a world of regular people who don't want to die.

  39. Post #239
    Head over heels in love with Pudding~
    Dennab
    January 2012
    5,547 Posts
    Well I am a woman and I don't understand how my life is more valuable than a man's. Of course on a purely selfish basis I would want to survive but looking at the big picture I don't think it's fair that men should be made expendable, this isn't like opening a door for a woman (although I think people should do this for everyone) but asking people to let themselves die. If a man does this by his own choice then its his own choice but being forced to let yourself die because of an old fashioned social principle isn't fair and picturing myself in that position is horrific. This isn't a world of "perfect" heroes who could sacrifice themselves for a stranger without questioning it once, it's a world of regular people who don't want to die.
    I wish I could rate you a thousand agrees and winners. You have said exactly what I've wanted to state.

  40. Post #240
    In my honest opinion, I think the children should be evacuated first. Everything else is free-game as far as whos the next person to get on the life-boats. A human is a human. People are people.