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You admit that your knowledge of the entire genre is outdated but still cling desperately to the assumption that most of Hip-Hop is about ''guns, bitches and bling''. There are many examples of artists who put thoughtful lyrics into their productions; Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip, Nas, Sage Francis, B Dolan... etc.
In Pip's song Thou Shalt Not Kill there is a line that reads: ''Thou shalt remember that guns, bitches and bling were never part of the four elements and never will be.''
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Nah mate, mainstream rap is that, but you clearly can't see past that and actually look through a genre.
I'm sick to my fucking back teeth of folk saying an entire genre is shit because they heard 3 or 4 different examples of the genres mainstream appeal.
God fucking damnit this is not a difficult concept to grasp either, jesus mother fucking christ literally it's like folk are just so fucking flat out lazy that they won't even challenge their preconceptions and actually look for a good example of most music and dig further than the shitty surface of music that is the mainstream.
And yes, I mad.
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People aren't not looking hard enough, they're just paying more attention to the shit music to give them something to complain about and act like they're better than other people that listen to radio hits.
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You guys saying "HEZ GENRLAIZING TEH HOEL GENRE OMG OMG OMG" really need to get your shit strait. I can't believe I have to stress this with capital letters:
MOST. RAP. WAS. ABOUT. SAID. THINGS.
I'm not generalizing the "whole" genre. I'm generalizing MOST of it. If I were to generalize the whole thing, my argument would be ALL rap is about drugs, bitches, etc.
Do we have an understanding now? I hope we do...
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I'm willing to listen. Just not to people who don't understand a simple concept of most rap was (or still might be) this way.
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I do have a dislike for rap. Why do I have a dislike for rap do you think? Hmm... maybe it's because rap's message is about drugs, bitches, arrogance, guns, and just plain stupid things. I dunno. I could always just be speaking out of my ass...
Or from personal experience.
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No, it's original message was about the social issues of the 70's/80's/90's especially concerning the African-American communities and the ghettos of Los Angeles and New York. So yes, you are talking out of your arse.
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I like how most of this thread is:
"Rap is about bitches"
"Actually that is a generalisation and most of rap is not about said things. In fact, only a very small portion is"
"No you're wrong"
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Most country also has a lot of stupid themes like misogyny, blind patriotism, circlejerking over the army, etc. yet no one ever calls it out on that and just focuses on some idiot rappers who they try to argue represent them all.
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Popular country does not represent all country just as popular rap does not represent all rap.
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I know, but what I mean is people try to make that argument about rap and then ignore the fact that popular country is just as bad yet if you told them that they'd say "Don't generalize it"
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The kinds of people who think that rap is "all about bitches and money" tend to be closeted racists and misogynists, so it's not really surprising that they'd be defensive about popular country but not popular rap.
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Of course we have an understanding, you're entirely ignorant of the genre in terms of anything other than the mainstream rap perpetuated by shitty groups or rappers and the dumbasses who think that's the best rap out there and it makes them gansta.
You said it last page I think that you were pretty ignorant of the genre. Do yourself a favour and stpp arguing that most rap is about bitches, blow and gats.
Check out Death Grips and then listen to some grime that came out of the London scene such as the track Gun Talk by Virus Syndicate then tell me most rap is about glorifying bitches and killing.
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PS you're definetly talking out your ass.
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PPS you do understand that rap originated in the ghettos right? and that the only culture most folk living in the ghettos knew was gang culture, they found their voice through that music, some used it purely for fame and fortune and some done it to try and make the world see how them, their friends and their families suffered. Besides the whole hijacking of a genre has happened to every genre.
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There was that Leona Lewis Star on the radio for what a month? before people just stopped giving a shit. Where as Bands Like Iron Maiden have been going for 35 Years and still going strong.
I Guess its the Hard work Playing Instruments Vs Autotune Machines that make any random Teenager who cant sing, "Rebecca Black, Justin Bieber" ,able to make millions with very little effort.
So in my opinon and the way i see it No, Music does suck in today's generation
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The Union Jack would look a shit ton better with a Hammer and Sickle in the middle of it
November 2007
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justin bieber has a brilliant voice lol i cant think of a song where he uses autotune
and are you seriously suggesting rebecca black has a solid career?
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About 16 of the 23 people of my class listen to good music, so I guess music is still going strong.
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I reckon once he gains some sense to make the music more personal and be inclined to withdraw from the "Teen Pop" masterrace, then he should be okay.
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The Union Jack would look a shit ton better with a Hammer and Sickle in the middle of it
November 2007
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it'll probably be a good 10 years before that ever happens though, it sure will be interesting to see what a matured bieber would sound like
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see, what you're doing right now is the exact opposite of listening
you're just stating your point over and over again and brushing off everyone who disagrees with you
that isn't listening, that's just being arrogant
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The point is, country actually has a good message.
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And they're doing the same thing by stating their points. This is debate. That's what you do. People can disagree with me, that's fine. We have two different ways of proving our points. My point is that rap was (or still is) like that. I can't list a shitload of rappers for you because I don't listen to rap anymore and I quite frankly can't remember the rappers that were being listened to when I listened to rap. I don't know if rap is still about bitches, guns, arrogance, etc. but I can guarantee that most songs were that way back then and some still are now.
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No, I'm not speaking out of my ass. I told you guys several times I am (caps again since you stupid fucks can't read) SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I don't think that constitutes as speaking out of my ass. And yes, I did say that I don't listen to the genre. BUT I DID. AND BACK THEN IT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT SAID THINGS. I DONT KNOW IF IT IS NOW. OKAY? OKAY.
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That WAS its original message. Not the one it had at the turn of the second millenium.
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It's so obvious that you have no arguement bro.
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if you were so young when you heard all this rap, then clearly you weren't the one choosing it, what if it was all only the work of, say, 3 or so artists? who are you to say otherwise? can you actually provide us with an example of one of these artists? you don't have an argument because you don't know anything about what you're talking about, and that sir is an indisputable fact and you should re-evaluate your debating motives.
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i'm just saying you have no way of guaranteeing us that the amount of rap you apparently listened to was a large enough portion of the entire genre to actually represent it.
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except they have concrete evidence and examples, you have maybes and i remembers
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Yeah dude I've read the post, and you're posting out of ignorance, you've not kept up with the genre or even had a recent look at it and you're using dumb as shit out dated information.
That is why I told you to stop posting until you had actually checked out the genre cause all you're doing right now is making a massive ass of yourself.
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The stupid, my brain almost can't handle it.
Why are you basing your opinion on current music from a bad experience with music from when you were growing up?
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And it still is, artists still discuss social issues, but on a more widespread platform now. You however think that the ''in da clurb'' mainstream stuff somehow represents what Hip-Hop is and was. Many users have posted examples of Hip-Hop that concern social issues but you are still clinging to your outdated belief that the genre is ''BITCHES AND BLING YEAH BRUV''
It's one thing to be raised on a genre and stop listening and another to actively listen to it and find the meaning behind songs.
The Message is about the terrible conditions in New York, discrimination, finance, education and the dangers of prison life. This alone covers many bases in the space of 7 minutes.
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but what I keep saying is, 'no it wasn't' because I listened to hip hop myself back then as well, and it was so rare that I would listen to an artist like that, it's not even funny. listening to artists like Aesop Rock, El-P, Cage, Murs, RJD2, Jurassic 5, Tribe called quest, Gang starr, peanut butter wolf, dilated peoples, and Atmosphere, I never had to deal with this 'durr durr all about women and money' bullshit so clearly you were just listening to shit hip-hop and didn't bother actually looking for it yourself.
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and even if it did used to all be about women and money, this debate is about the current state of music, so that's a complete non-issue anyway
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Even someone with a dislike of rap can easily find songs that aren't about bitches and bling.
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Talk to this guy all the time. This is an example of a bragging rap that has a ton of cleverness without endless talking about bitches and all that. A lot of his stuff is pretty clever.
Meaningful rap.
The point is you still have to go look for stuff just as you would with any other genre. Generalizing an entire genre based on a specific portion of that genre (probably mainstream as well) is not going to get you anywhere.
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The little pop country I've listened to on the radio is about beer, outdoorsmanship, and God.
See, your argument is nearly baseless and has no concrete evidence to back it. We have given many examples as to why you're wrong and they're solid arguments. You simply brush off other people's argument and say "Look at the little experience I've had with rap music in a certain area at a certain time, this obviously must represent the entire genre, as well as hip-hop, as a whole.
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Sure you're not.
It is when you try to pass it as a legitimate argument.
Yeah, and when I was 8 all I listened to was classic rock and the only 3 bands I thought were classic rock bands were Queen, The Beatles, and Elvis.
Then stop arguing if you don't have any concrete evidence or even a semi-legitimate argument.
Yea, the message of pop-rap.
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There's more bad music today, but the industry does promote a lot of the bad music, except for all the quality stuff that is still around.
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Thread:
"rap is about bitches"
"no"
"yes"
"youre wrong"
"dubstep is shite"
"your stupid"
"no u"
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There's too many people that don't accept when they're wrong on the internet.
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you should have posted in the music section, you would have gotten a better answer.
Modern music doesn't suck any more than old stuff did. The thing is, people don't remember the shitty songs.
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And what would you say if I told you I was wrong?
"lol told u so u shudntz be so ignorint lololol"
Exactly.
To be quite honest, my argument isn't even "ignorant". It is ignorant at this point in time. My argument has changed since my first post about rap. I'm pretty sure rap nowadays isn't about said things. But I still hold the belief rap WAS about those things. What genre of rap, I am not sure. What I do know, is that there was a rap genre about said things. I think I heard someone say pop rap or something? I've already said I can't give you any artists that rapped about that shit back then because it was so long ago.
Also, all of the rap you guys are posting aren't from the time I am speaking about. They're all from the 80s or 90s. I'm not even going to debate that rap back then wasn't about said things - because it wasn't.
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No, I do. My argument is stating most rap was at least that way back then and that I don't know if it is this way now. From what I gather, it isn't much about that stuff anymore.
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Just accept that you're clueless.
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Just accept that you're wrong and for at least a short period of time, rap was mostly this way.
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as someone who has, many times, willingly admitted he's wrong in countless arguments and debates, with a bit of icing and sportsmanship on the top, you're heavily incorrect in my opinion.
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I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. In fact, I've changed my opinion a little since this debate about rap began.
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I thought it would have fit better as a debate, since I see all this stuff on Youtube all the time, and it would probably been moved here anyways.
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I'm not even convinced that you're even a fan of hip hop in the first place.
I don't think anyone could have a decent conversation with you about music either.
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Hey, this won't get me laid. I can't play this in my car while my bitch is in the passenger seat. I hate how sometimes people try to take rap more seriously than how serious it really is. bump to this shit
