1. Post #2281
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    Lizerus's Avatar
    January 2012
    452 Posts
    Do you chaps care about both IV's and EV's or just EV's? Last community I was a part of only cared about EV's. As shameless as it may be for me, if I was to bother with IV's, I'd sooner use an AR than get it legit.

    Just curious.
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  2. Post #2282
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    Wingedwizard's Avatar
    October 2007
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    IVs are more important that EVs, so yes I care about both.
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  3. Post #2283
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    Maximo13's Avatar
    October 2008
    8,040 Posts
    My last PO team was this

    Milotic is fucking awesome.
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  4. Post #2284
    Who wants to come to the aquarium later and watch me screw with the sharks?
    Shibbey's Avatar
    May 2009
    13,161 Posts
    Blaziken -
    Moves: Blaze Kick
    Fire Blast
    Hidden Power
    Aerial Ace

    Hi Jump kick can replace fire blast. Hidden power can get the hell out in favour of Swords Dance. If you're looking for a hit-like-a-truck move, replace blaze kick with FLARE BLIIIITZ.

    Charizard -
    Moves: Fire Blast
    Flame Burst
    Fly
    Hidden Power

    This is pretty poor, I have to say :( Replace Fly with Air Slash, Both those fire moves can go for Heat Wave to replace it. Substitute can be good if the opponent doesn't have rocks on the field, and if you can get Roost, I would go for it.

    Alakazam -
    Moves: Psybeam
    Energy Ball
    Focus Blast
    Hidden Power

    Not bad, replace Psybeam with Psychic, and Hidden Power with Shadow Ball.

    Blastoise -
    Moves: Hydro Cannon
    Earthquake
    Focus Blast
    Surf

    Hydro Cannon isn't too great, Blastoise is more utility. If you're still using Charizard, get Foresight and Rapid Spin, to help support him. Scald for damage, and Rest to keep him going (Lum berry maybe?)

    Dragonite -
    Moves: Thunder
    Ice Beam
    Hyper Beam
    Flamethrower

    NO HYPER BEAM. Just no. Slap Dergn Dance on him, add dragon claw, brick break, stone edge, bam, amazing set-up sweeper.

    Raichu -
    Moves: Thunder
    Thunderbolt
    Iron Tail
    Thunder Wave

    Lose Thunder Wave, add Nasty Plot if you can. You don't need both Thunder and Thunderbolt, Grass Knot is nice, and Iron Tail can be dropped for Focus Blast maybe?
    You don't ever need two moves of the same type, unless you want both X-scissor and U-turn, or something similar, and you should always play to a Pokémon's strengths. Dragonite has very average Special Attack, but his Physical is through the ceiling and he has a great set up move to back that up.

    Edited:

    My last PO team was this

    Meta and Viriz got kicked outta UU though.
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  5. Post #2285
    Eriorguez's Avatar
    May 2011
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    IVs are more important that EVs, so yes I care about both.
    The difference between 0 and 31 IVs at lv 100 is of 31 points. The difference between 0 and 252 EVs at lv 100 is of 63 points.

    I care for both, some OC stuff going on there, but I just PokeGen up some eggs if I want to raise stuff.
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  6. Post #2286
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    October 2007
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    The difference between 0 and 31 IVs at lv 100 is of 31 points. The difference between 0 and 252 EVs at lv 100 is of 63 points.

    I care for both, some OC stuff going on there, but I just PokeGen up some eggs if I want to raise stuff.
    There more important to me because they are much more difficult to get. Having an IV at 29, 30 or 31 can easily make or break a Pokemon. Yea, you can boost the stat with EVs but perhaps IVs will boost it to the necessary level and you can put the EVs elsewhere. Its extreme tourneyfag shit and a pain to calculate so take it with a grain of salt.

    Edited:

    Meta and Viriz got kicked outta UU though.
    The team is old, ill rework it one day.
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  7. Post #2287
    Eriorguez's Avatar
    May 2011
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    Only in stuff like Speed, where every single point matters, and sometimes HP. Otherwise, they are not THAT important, EVs have a stronger effect. After all, damage has a random multiplier, and crits happen.
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  8. Post #2288
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    November 2010
    1,930 Posts
    Those seem kind of random
    Tali is named Tali simply because the color scheme matches Tali from ME, including the glowing yellow eyes and the blue/black color scheme from most of her default suit. EDI at the time of naming was just an "airplane" with AI, unlike    in ME3 where she assumes direct control of a female robo-body.   
    I had a full cast of Pokemon named after the various members of your squad in ME2, but most of them have been replaced with improved counterparts    such as my original Typhlosion "SHEPARD" becoming FemShep and then Smas, and "JOKER" becoming Alice (don't ask for an explanation, because I can't think of one =/).   
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  9. Post #2289
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    October 2007
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    Only in stuff like Speed, where every single point matters, and sometimes HP. Otherwise, they are not THAT important, EVs have a stronger effect. After all, damage has a random multiplier, and crits happen.
    You cant bet on the random damage and crits, its not feasible. Again, any IV may make or break a pokemon, the combination of 31 iv and 252 ev is attack may give it just enough power broke ohko a common defensive Pokemon.

    Perhaps we can agree upon that they are equally important.
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  10. Post #2290
    Eriorguez's Avatar
    May 2011
    2,670 Posts
    Damage ranging between 0.85 and 1 makes far more of a difference than 2 or 3 IVs, tho.
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  11. Post #2291
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    October 2007
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    Fine Ill put it bluntly.

    IN MY OPINION, IVS ARE MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE:

    I dont like wasting EVs on shit that doesn't need it because it has proper IVs
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  12. Post #2292
    Eriorguez's Avatar
    May 2011
    2,670 Posts
    I don't balance stuff out, I pretty much max out 2 stats or so, but yeah, got your point. Don't share it, but I understand it.
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  13. Post #2293
    Smas's Avatar
    November 2010
    1,930 Posts
    I guess I'll chip in my two cents.

    I think that both EVs and IVs are equally important. Even if you have the "perfect" EV balance, it can be undermined if your IVs are sub-par. In that same respect, if you have perfect IVs but have a terrible EV balance, then your Pokemon would be considered "weaker" in that regard. Because of this, you need a little bit of both to truly come out on top in the competitive field.

    However, I would like to note that even with the "perfect" EVs and IVs, you should have movesets that complement both your individual pokemon and the rest of your team. Otherwise, all the time that you put into making it into a powerhouse would be put to waste.
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  14. Post #2294
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    July 2010
    2,519 Posts
    i would rather not post my team, considering i use the pokes i like instead of good ones
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  15. Post #2295
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    November 2011
    1,619 Posts
    Let me get my games out and then I'll post mine
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  16. Post #2296
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    February 2011
    7,860 Posts
    Guys what are some good tips for EV training in B/W? I hear it's easier than it was in D/P/P/HG/SS. Is this true? I want a competitive team.
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  17. Post #2297
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    July 2010
    2,519 Posts
    will I lose my sanity if I try soft resetting for a shiny rayquaza?
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  18. Post #2298
    Smas's Avatar
    November 2010
    1,930 Posts
    Just a general tip: know what you are hunting for. I've had friends screw up their training because they would just kill anything that they saw on whatever route they were training on. You are only rewarded effort points (EVs) if you KO the opposing pokemon. If a pokemon shows up that is not "on the menu", just run so that you can avoid wasting your time and effort points.

    Edited:

    will I lose my sanity if I try soft resetting for a shiny rayquaza?
    Yes, yes you will.
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  19. Post #2299
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    March 2008
    7,680 Posts
    what are IV's and EV's :(
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  20. Post #2300
    Who wants to come to the aquarium later and watch me screw with the sharks?
    Shibbey's Avatar
    May 2009
    13,161 Posts
    Fine Ill put it bluntly.

    IN MY OPINION, IVS ARE MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE:

    I dont like wasting EVs on shit that doesn't need it because it has proper IVs
    We can not spend forever breeding for IVs thanks to PO, so most thought is put into EVs, methinks.
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  21. Post #2301
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    July 2008
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    what are IV's and EV's :(
    http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/2441...er-6th-edit/#1

    You can find stuff about IV's further down.
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  22. Post #2302
    Who wants to come to the aquarium later and watch me screw with the sharks?
    Shibbey's Avatar
    May 2009
    13,161 Posts
    what are IV's and EV's :(
    IVs are randomised, invisible numbers that affect stats marginally, and determine things like Hidden Power.

    EVs are invisible numbers added to a Pokémon whenever it wins a fight, adding points to a stat depending on which Pokémon it took down, with a maximum of 510 EVs, every 4 adding one stat point.
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  23. Post #2303
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    July 2010
    2,519 Posts
    come out to play you fucking black dragon
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  24. Post #2304
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    November 2011
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    HeartGold Bros:



    White Bros:

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  25. Post #2305
    I wish I had a tentacle hand. Japan would pay billions for some real-life tentacles.
    Bokito's Avatar
    February 2009
    4,455 Posts
    I'm thinking about breeding a perfect IV/EV Def+Sp.Atk Slowbro, do I have to breed a Slowpoke with max IV's in those stats to get the Slowbro to have them maxed as well?
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  26. Post #2306
    Eriorguez's Avatar
    May 2011
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    IVs: "Even Pokemon of the same level and species are different to each other."
    EVs: "Trained Pokemon are stronger than wild ones, even at the same level."

    Evolution just changes the species of a Pokemon, IVs, EVs, nature... remain the same. Ability may change, but that's driven by a hidden value; that's why some Pokemon caught in the 3rd gen changed ability upon evolving in the 4th. Those values are set at birth/wild encounter, and do not change.


    Anyway, I don't play competitive and just go with my faves, but I still care enough to give them good movesets. My only regret is not realicing I could have given Breloom Focus Punch instead of Superpower; with Spore it is a guaranteed, drawback free blow.
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  27. Post #2307
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    July 2010
    2,519 Posts
    whatever

    what i have been using



    And im not gonna stop until i get this bitch
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  28. Post #2308
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    October 2008
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    I'm thinking about breeding a perfect IV/EV Def+Sp.Atk Slowbro, do I have to breed a Slowpoke with max IV's in those stats to get the Slowbro to have them maxed as well?
    Slowbro is the best bro.
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  29. Post #2309
    Smas's Avatar
    November 2010
    1,930 Posts
    whatever

    what i have been using

    -stuff-

    And im not gonna stop until i get this bitch
    The funny thing is, I HAVE one of those. However, whether it is legit or not remains to be seen, seeing as I got it through a trade negotiation.
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  30. Post #2310
    Ryuken's Avatar
    July 2010
    2,519 Posts
    umbreon why are you so fucking useless yet i fucking love you
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  31. Post #2311
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    October 2007
    7,106 Posts
    umbreon why are you so fucking useless yet i fucking love you
    Nope.
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  32. Post #2312
    I wish I had a tentacle hand. Japan would pay billions for some real-life tentacles.
    Bokito's Avatar
    February 2009
    4,455 Posts
    Goddamn I LOVE AR's see IV's/EV's cheat. It makes breeding for perfect stats so much better!
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  33. Post #2313
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    July 2006
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    I wish I could update my AR but I lost the cable for it. :C
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  34. Post #2314
    I wish I had a tentacle hand. Japan would pay billions for some real-life tentacles.
    Bokito's Avatar
    February 2009
    4,455 Posts
    I wish I could update my AR but I lost the cable for it. :C
    You could always manually insert the codes, but that takes an extremely long time. It would probably take less time than having to check IV's without it, though.
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  35. Post #2315
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    July 2006
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    You could always manually insert the codes, but that takes an extremely long time. It would probably take less time than having to check IV's without it, though.
    It's not updated to recognize B/W. Unless I can manually enter that, too?
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  36. Post #2316
    I wish I had a tentacle hand. Japan would pay billions for some real-life tentacles.
    Bokito's Avatar
    February 2009
    4,455 Posts
    It's not updated to recognize B/W. Unless I can manually enter that, too?
    I believe you can, but you'll have to enter all the base codes for the game as well, which could take a while. Luckily you don't have to use an in-system keyboard, you can just use the touch screen for imput.
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  37. Post #2317
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    July 2006
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    Would probably be easier to find the cable.

    Also,
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  38. Post #2318
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    January 2012
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    I can hear Dag's voice coming from a Sandslash but not a Typlhosion.
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  39. Post #2319
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    July 2006
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    On EV/IV debate:

    I don't really give a crap about either, but to play with my mates at uni we all play with as high stats as we can get.
    It hurts everyone when nobody is doing any stat changes, a lot of matchups become luck of the draw, especially defensive pokemon. With random IV investment, a lot of pokemon may die to a hit, but witht he correct IVs they can take it just barely and strike back against that pokemon. On top of that, speed is super duper important in winning matchups. I've won at least 3 or 4 games due to having max speed + max speed evs + speed nature.

    Finally, IVs aren't THAT difficult to train, just time consuming. Once you get a good breeding population (roughly 2-3 pokemon in most egg groups with 1-2 max IVs) it'll become much easier and faster.
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  40. Post #2320
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    May 2011
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    I was greatly annoyed when I found out that you no longer could use items to bypass the Truant turn; Slaking was boss in-game in RSE...
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