1. Post #1
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16192105

    BBC News posted:
    The flag of American forces in Iraq has been lowered in Baghdad, bringing nearly nine years of US military operations in Iraq to a formal end.

    The US Defence Secretary, Leon Panetta, told troops the mission had been worth the cost in blood and dollars.

    He said the years of war in Iraq had yielded to an era of opportunity in which the US was a committed partner.

    Only about 4,000 US soldiers now remain in Iraq, but they are due to leave in the next two weeks.

    At the peak of the operation, US forces there numbered 170,000.

    The symbolic ceremony in Baghdad officially "cased" (retired) the US forces flag, according to army tradition.

    It will now be taken back to the USA.

    Mr Panetta told US soldiers they could leave Iraq with great pride.

    "After a lot of blood spilled by Iraqis and Americans, the mission of an Iraq that could govern and secure itself has become real," he said.

    Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Hussain al-Shahristani said Iraqis were glad the US troops were leaving.

    "They have been difficult years," he told the BBC.

    "We have had some successes together. We had some failures. We have some mishaps.

    "I think we are all happy that the American soldiers are returning home safely to their families and we are also confident that the Iraqi people and their armed forces, police, are in a position now to take care of their own security."

    Some 4,500 US soldiers and more than 100,000 Iraqis have died in the war.

    The conflict, launched by the Bush administration in March 2003, soon became hugely unpopular as claims that Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction and supporting al-Qaeda militants turned out to be untrue.

    The war has cost the US some $1tr.

    Republicans have criticised the pullout citing concerns over Iraq's stability, but a recent poll by the Pew Research Centre found that 75% of Americans backed the troop withdrawal.

    'Moment of success'

    President Barack Obama, who came to office pledging to bring troops home, said on Wednesday that the US left behind a "sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq".

    In a speech in North Carolina to troops who have just returned, Mr Obama hailed the "extraordinary achievement" of the military and said they were leaving with "heads held high".

    "Everything that American troops have done in Iraq, all the fighting and dying, bleeding and building, training and partnering, has led us to this moment of success," he said.

    "The war in Iraq will soon belong to history, and your service belongs to the ages."

    He said the war had been "a source of great controversy" but that they had helped to build "a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people".

    Mr Obama announced in October that all US troops would leave Iraq by the end of 2011, a date previously agreed by former President George W Bush in 2008.

    Some 1.5 million Americans have served in Iraq since the US invasion in 2003. In addition to those who died, nearly 30,000 have been wounded.

    Troop numbers peaked during the height of the so-called surge strategy in 2007, but the last combat troops left Iraq in August last year.

    A small contingent of some 200 soldiers will remain in Iraq as advisers, while some 15,000 US personnel are now based at the US embassy in Baghdad - by far the world's largest.

    'Ruin and mess'

    Some Iraqis have said they fear the consequences of being left to manage their own security.

    Baghdad trader Malik Abed said he was grateful to the Americans for ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein, but added: "I think now we are going to be in trouble. Maybe the terrorists will start attacking us again."

    But in the city of Falluja, a former insurgent stronghold which was the scene of major US offensives in 2004, people burned US flags on Wednesday in celebration at the withdrawal.

    "No-one trusted their promises, but they said when they came to Iraq they would bring security, stability and would build our country," Ahmed Aied, a grocer, told Reuters news agency.

    "Now they are walking out, leaving behind killings, ruin and mess."

    Concerns have also been voiced in Washington that Iraq lacks robust political structures or an ability to defend its borders.

    There are also fears that Iraq could be plunged back into sectarian bloodletting, or be unduly influenced by Iran.

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  2. Post #2
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    Well what an astounding success that was.

    Where to next lads?
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  3. Post #3
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    Now leave Afghanistan and close down most of those bases world wide. Besides all that I am still disappointed in the USA for it's disgustingly large military budget.
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    Fuck Yeah. Finally.
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  5. Post #5
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    Well what an astounding success that was.

    Where to next lads?
    I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.
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    Jsm
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    Well what an astounding success that was.

    Where to next lads?
    The place the Americans intended to invade the first time but Bush spelt the name wrong on the memo.
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  7. Post #7
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    June 2005
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    The place the Americans intended to invade the first time but Bush spelt the name wrong on the memo.
    Could have been worse. At least the countries are next to each other.
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  8. Post #8
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    Good. Get the fuck out and stop spending money on wars we shouldn't have fought in the first place(Protip: The surgical strike was the right solution the whole damn time). Use that money to, oh idunno, balance the mother fucking budget?
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    Mission Accomplished
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    What about Afghan and Iran?
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    What about Afghan and Iran?
    What's this about Iran?
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    I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.
    instead of "freeing" countries that don't really need to be freed, seeing as they were most likely better off under Saddam, they really should concentrate on helping countries that actually need help like NK, or help with protecting the protesters in Syria, the same way it was done in Libya, where its mainly aiding them indirectly
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  13. Post #13
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    Now really what has America gained from these last 8 years of conflict

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    Now really what has America gained from these last 8 years of conflict
    Debt
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    instead of "freeing" countries that don't really need to be freed, seeing as they were most likely better off under Saddam


    Say what?
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    God bless the USA.
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    seeing as they were most likely better off under Saddam
    Gassing Kurds and oppressing the Shia majority? better off my butt
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    I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.
    Mexico too, with the amazing nachos that they have

  19. Post #19
    Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!
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    instead of "freeing" countries that don't really need to be freed, seeing as they were most likely better off under Saddam
    are you stupid or something
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    Mexico too, with the amazing nachos that they have
    chinese are already invading mexico
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  21. Post #21
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    Now leave Afghanistan and close down most of those bases world wide. Besides all that I am still disappointed in the USA for it's disgustingly large military budget.
    I have a pretty good hunch that most of the defense budget money doesn't go to maintaining the bases.

  22. Post #22
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    I have a pretty good hunch that most of the defense budget money doesn't go to maintaining the bases.
    Never said it did.
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    Now off to Iran
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    Now really what has America gained from these last 8 years of conflict
    Robotic Transplants for those whom lost limbs in combat/accidents which have a somewhat organic feel too them..?

    War does bring out necessity... Even though the little 'Terror Wars' have just made technology more advanced for the reasons of killing eachother and repairing those that have survived.
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    I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.
    Iran
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  26. Post #26
    Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!
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    Robotic Transplants for those whom lost limbs in combat/accidents which have a somewhat organic feel too them..?

    War does bring out necessity... Even though the little 'Terror Wars' have just made technology more advanced for the reasons of killing eachother and repairing those that have survived.
    are you really trying to suggest that that advancement was because of war?

  27. Post #27
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    Dennab
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    Gassing Kurds and oppressing the Shia majority? better off my butt
    Daily bombings, hundreds of thousands murdered and still, the oppressed Shia majority.
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    S'about damn time it ended.

  29. Post #29
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    Well what an astounding success that was.

    Where to next lads?
    The DoD usually spouts something to keep people afraid so they can justify there funding and usually you just have to listen to them to find out.

    Right now its looking like Iran
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  30. Post #30
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    Aren't there still really big bases in Iraq?

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    are you really trying to suggest that that advancement was because of war?
    Not saying it wouldn't of came along down the road, but the war seemed to speed the RnD of it.
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    -snip-

  33. Post #33
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    Guys I hear there are terrorists and oil wells in space. Can we go liberate space? Lets go liberate space.
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    are you really trying to suggest that that advancement was because of war?
    Historically, every time the United States has been involved in a war, we've made large technological advancements. He's not implying the notion that it's GOOD to be in war, it's just a side-effect.
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    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    are you really trying to suggest that that advancement was because of war?
    You have to admit had it not been for Iraq / Afghanistan various governments around the world would not have pumped the money into it that they have. Every war brings about medical advancements, most of which can end up helping everyone.
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    Guys I hear there are terrorists and oil wells in space. Can we go liberate space? Lets go liberate space.
    Just whatever you do don't say Space Immigrants! Dear god will put up a metal fence around Earth!

  37. Post #37
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    They are obviously leaving now that Iraq is out of oil and resources. The only problem now is what country is the US going to invade NEXT?
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    They are obviously leaving now that Iraq is out of oil and resources. The only problem now is what country is the US going to invade NEXT?
    We don't invade... We liberate. By the way... Norway is looking like it needs some liberation.
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  40. Post #40
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    To see our fighting sons and daughters return home is really a step forward. God bless them, and I salute them every step of the way.