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As you may know, the most common firearm debate is about the two most famous assault rifles in the world, the American M4A1, and the Russian AK74M. But first off, we must consider the basics of each weapon.
M4A1
In Production: 1994 - Present
Designer: Eugene Stoner
Cartridge: 5.56x45 NATO
Muzzle Velocity: 2900 ft/sec (884 m/sec)
Rate of Fire: 700–950 round/min cyclic
Barrel Length: 14.5 in (370 mm)
Total Length: 33 in (840 mm) (stock extended)/29.75 in (756 mm) (stock retracted)
Weight (Empty): 6.36 lbs (2.88 Kg)
Weight (Loaded) 6.9 lb (3.1 kg)
Sights: Iron or Various Optics
AK74M
In Production: 1974-2011
Designer: Mikhail Kalashnikov
Cartridge: 5.45x39 Soviet
Muzzle Velocity: 2,935 ft/sec (900 m/s)
Rate of Fire: 650 RPM
Barrel Length: 16.3 in (415 mm)
Total Length: 37.1 in (943 mm) (stock extended) / 27.6 in (700mm) (stock folded)
Weight (Empty): 7 lbs (3.2 KG
Weight (Loaded) 7.5 lbs (3.4 kg)
Sights: Iron or Various Optics
Personally, I would choose the M4A1. Not only is the ammo very cheap here in the U.S, it's simple to clean and actually very rugged. The Iron Sights on the M4A1 alone are easy for quick target acquisition, and the rails allow for easy optic changes.
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Uh, the debate isn't just the M4A1 vs the 74M. It's the whole AR15 family versus the whole AK family.
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Throwing this out there, but i think the 47 is more world renowned; just that the 74 saw more use as it's still produced today and the 47 was only made in limited numbers.
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It's also this as they're all based on one solid base for the most part.
I think though, what the op meant was in their category for the 5.56-5.45 caliber. A lighter round more practical.
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They really aren't comparable. There is a video floating about somewhere on youtube explaining why.
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Whichever one's cheaper. Both of them kill the same.
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Both great guns IMO
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Does anyone have any info about the 5.45 round vs. the 5.56?
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i think both would really hurt you
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They're almost nothing alike.
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Also worth mentioning that they both shoot bullets that are very likely to kill.
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I think the M4A1 has killed somebody before.
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ak47 will shoot em up as good as any m4, for cheaper
plus they are made by bad guys and bad guys never live very long according to movies so they don't need to be that durable
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I remember seeing a video on youtube that the firing mechanism in the ak family is so violent that it actually warps the barrel minutely when fired. This obviously makes it less accurate.
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Comparing similar weapons doesn't do shit when you know that the handler makes all the difference.
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Clearly a much more suitable, general title would have been XM177E2 vs AKS-93SM6.
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different guns for different purposes. the M4 makes a better sharpshooter rifle (in my hands at least, AKs tend to have a shorter effective range) but the AK is better for medium-close range shooting.
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obviously neither one can compete with a remington 700 or the like but the M4 gets more good range.
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I thought AK's were easier to clean.
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AKs are a bitch to clean but can operate nearly submerged in mud so you don't have to do it too often
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you're kidding right i've owned 2 different AK type weapons and both of them were easy as hell to clean
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5.56 tends to be more accurate cause of more power charge, thus faster velocity.
5.45 is slower, less accurate but plenty more stopping power.
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I'm talking compared to the M4A1, the whole thing strips in 60 seconds if you know what you're doing
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Most people on this forum haven't used either of the guns.
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Pretty sure it depends on the scenario
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I think the AK47 IMHO is the best rifle for long term use in the world hands down, it can be used in practically any environment easy and is very, very rugged.
Sure, it may not have other guns accuracy, but it's very universal and reliable. It was also way ahead of its time when it was created. Of COURSE, other guns are better for other uses, but just universally, its a fantastic gun.
NOTE, this is the original model AK47, not the 'modernized' model. The original is fucking amazing from what I've seen, but from someone who isn't an avid gun user.
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The AK has better damage rating in CoD, so it's the obvious choice for any gun enthusiast
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Both of these rifles are just far too similar. They fire a similar round and are used in the same role. A common argument for AR-15 pattern rifles being better is their modularity, but you can easily achieve the same level of modularity on an AK.
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modernized is plain old better in every respect
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and you could do the same with the ak...? whats your point
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74M was developed in 1991 by the way
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The modernized version is more accurate but craps on the entire point of an AK47 because it jams much easier
The AK47 is meant to be rugged and last for as long as possible, while still being reliable.
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it's marginally more accurate, if anything from a more solid build, a gun nut wouldn't have to tell you that, it's simple machine design. newer things hold better, and they're making the new AKs with stronger materials and no longer in garbage soviet factories by means of tired, smelly, and/or hungry peasants
it does not jam easier and it remains as rugged as its forefathers, all while being more cost effective
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its also lighter
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New AKs beautiful
but expensive and bad for comparison
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yeh i just mean the akm
i really like the ak-107 and its paratrooper sister. i read about it a long time ago, but i think the gas output has been engineered to reverse the recoil in the gun, making it effectively without kick
layman termy and im probably wrong about this but i dont feel like lookin it up cause its late and imi gonna hit the hay
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I thought the debate was between the M16A1/A2 and the AK-47.
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ak's jam less because of their long stroke piston where m4's don't but m4's from what i have heard are very easy to unjam
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I'd take the M4 if it's more accurate because being hit by any bullet is probably gonna make you unable to fire an accurate shot, thus giving the M4 operator the chance to shoot you again and kill you, despite the lower stopping power.
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;33682343]Both of these rifles are just far too similar. They fire a similar round and are used in the same role. A common argument for AR-15 pattern rifles being better is their modularity, but you can easily achieve the same level of modularity on an AK.
by modularity they are talking about how the AR-15's uppers can be switched out to different calibers fairly easily, not how many scopes you can fit on the rails. This is impossible on the AK's as the barrel is pretty much welded onto the trunion.
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A slower smaller round has more energy than a larger faster one
ok
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Should have been a debate between 5.45x39 and 5.56x45, or 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54r
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- The AK-74M is as accurate as the M4A1, if not more accurate
- The AK-74M is more reliable than the M4A1 because of the way it's built
- The M4A1 is way more customizable than the AK-74M
- Both preform similarly if maintained well
- Both use similar ammunition
I would say both do their job well; killing people
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I've only fired one the AK-47, and own one. So I can't pass judgement based off stuff I read on Wikipedia. I'd have to fire an M4 then have a look at how to take it apart.
