1. Post #1
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    Taken off of Notch's twitter
    http://twitter.com/#!/notch
    I can only hope this isn't late
    Seriously, who f-bombs a kid?
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  2. Post #2
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    Wow Yogscast i thought they were funny and stuff but this makes them look like gigantic dicks.

    Also another guy talks about Yogscast at minecon here:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/co...am_at_minecon/



    So, with this shitstorm of Notch vs. Yogscast, I thought I would weigh in my own opinion on it, such that it is.

    I'm not sure that an "f-bomb" is the sole reason for Notch wanting to not work with them anymore.

    Yogscast was invited as a special guest to MineCon and was even given their own panel. What I assumed, and what I believed that Mojang assumed when they invited them to a panel, was that they would speak for an hour (hour and a half?) about their Youtube videos, podcasts and the like. They would talk about their experiences, making videos, how they got so popular, etc. Instead, what we seemed to get was an hour of them showing videos of popular builds done using Minecraft. A whole team was up on stage and it seemed only Simon/Lewis spoke.

    In addition, the entire team acted like a group of self-entitled pricks the entire weekend. I worked as one of the volunteer staff that weekend and they demanded to be let in to the Scrolls/Cobalt play test area before the rest of the crowd was. We allowed them to enter for 5 minutes, as we were trying to keep to a schedule, but they created a big stink when they were asked to leave so the people who paid good money to come to MineCon could play the games too. They acted like they were the Kings of Minecraft simply because they are minor celebrities in the Youtube world.

    Adding on to that, they offered to sign things for fans, in the same vein as Mojang did on Friday night. Mojang was highly classy. They talked to fans, signed whatever they wanted, and all of them, despite being exhausted, were always friendly to whatever fan wanted a word with them, even if it was just to send them away. They even signed more for the ones that were cut off in line Friday night on Saturday. Yogscast, on the other hand, passed out tickets to people who wanted an autograph during their own panel! When fans complained that they couldn't get an autograph, their response was along the lines of, "True fans would have skipped the panel to get the autograph."

    Finally, on a more personal experience. My friends and I entered the main hall right after the Yogscast panel to get good seats for the closing ceremony. The Styrofoam sign that said "Yogscast" that was slapped over the "Activate Minecraft" sign on the lever on stage during their panel was being removed by the stage manager after their panel, presumably to be thrown away. My friend wanted the sign as a keepsake from MineCon, and the sign was given to her. After the closing ceremony, one of their members hunted us down to get back this sign. She used to be a huge Yogscast fan, but this experience has soured her.

    In Short: The Yogscast team didn't appreciate the gesture that was given to them to be invited as a special panel to MineCon and they treated it with almost indifference. They acted like it was Mojang that should be appreciative of them gracing MineCon with their presence.

    Notch may have blamed the fallout between Mojang and Yogscast on an "f-bomb" in front of kids, but I think it was more than just that. I think that Yogscast wasn't what they were hoping they would be. Mojang should probably have reviewed what Yogscast was going to be like more than they did, but MineCon had many issues like that. It wasn't perfect, and it was a bit sloppy, but I don't think Mojang should suffer all the blame for issues with Yogscast.

    Just my two cents.

    EDIT: For those of you who want proof, the only proof I have is my staff shirt. I can take a photo of it when I get home.
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    Like some proof from the kid on the signing stuff.
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  4. Post #4
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    there's absolutely no proof they did this, wait for a bit before you start attacking either side
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  5. Post #5
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    Kinda a bit unprofessional of Notch to be doing this sort of thing while he is the face of Mojang.

    Especially the vague tweets he first did earlier in the day.
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  6. Post #6
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    You know, even if they did say that stuff, it's entirely (and more than likely) possible that they were saying it jokingly, but it didn't translate that way.

    I would've thought that after 1,166 videos that if they were dicks, we would've seen that by now.

    EDIT: Also, Notch shouldn't be slagging people off on his public twitter without any form of proof.
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    http://www.youtube.com/user/BlueXephos

    Refresh and watch the subscribers drop!
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  8. Post #8
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    Uhhh, and is anyone surprised? You can notice their egos growing more and more if you watched their videos lately; Their personalities also completely changed over time.

    The only reason i watch them now is seeing Hannah play games, she's quite entertaining. But the yogscast as a whole was always going to be just like this... Their fanbase is even worse sadly.
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  9. Post #9
    Keep calm and JAG
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    Those poor guys, another week and they will be down to a million.
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  10. Post #10
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    You know, even if they did say that stuff, it's entirely (and more than likely) possible that they were saying it jokingly, but it didn't translate that way.

    I would've thought that after 1,166 videos that if they were dicks, we would've seen that by now.

    EDIT: Also, Notch shouldn't be slagging people off on his public twitter without any form of proof.
    Putting "fuck off" on a kids paper isn't cool any way you do/say it.

    And people can bullshit through videos and present themselves any way they like.


    They may not actually be dicks, it might have been there nerdy selves being self conscious and uncomfortable so they did all what they knew to do-be jerks.
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  11. Post #11
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    If they're claiming that they're the reason Minecraft is big then bye.
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    I hadn't even heard of Yogcast until this.
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  13. Post #13
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    Well we can all say that after however many yogscasts we have seen we would have seen them be dicks by now, but ive also seen enough of Notch to know that he isn't a dick either. I have no idea, but i truly honestly doubt notch would just do this if it wasn't atleast for some sort of good reason. He loves his fanbase as he posted later on in his twitter. So something must have gone down.
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    http://www.youtube.com/user/BlueXephos

    Refresh and watch the subscribers drop!
    Hah, that's gold.
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    I hadn't even heard of Yogcast until this.
    all they do is make videos about stuff other people do (People send them shit, They download mods and show it off, etc.) combined with other gameplay videos of other games.


    They are basically the RWJ of Minecraft. except less annoying and actually funny.
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  16. Post #16
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    Putting "fuck off" on a kids paper isn't cool any way you do/say it.

    And people can bullshit through videos and present themselves any way they like.


    They may not actually be dicks, it might have been there nerdy selves being self conscious and uncomfortable so they did all what they knew to do-be jerks.
    Key words are 'they said'. They may have not actually done anything and may have just been joking around. Also I want to to know Notch's definition of kid because if they said this to a teen I'm pretty sure they were just joking.
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  17. Post #17
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    This is silly. I like Yogscast and I like Notch, and I shall continue doing so.
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  18. Post #18
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    Putting "fuck off" on a kids paper isn't cool any way you do/say it.

    And people can bullshit through videos and present themselves any way they like.


    They may not actually be dicks, it might have been there nerdy selves being self conscious and uncomfortable so they did all what they knew to do-be jerks.
    But there isn't even any proof of it.

    I'm just saying we should wait to hear both sides of the story before we jump to any conclusions. Notch is just causing drama without ANY form of proof to back up his allegations, before even allowing the Yogscast to formulate a response.
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    I can believe it, I don't think notch would lie.
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    There are two sides of the story, first I heard the Yogscast side, from which is apparently supported by TotalBiscuit, and Hannah(Yogscast)

    All the stuff claimed in the Yogcast's story seems mentioned everywhere else, as most are siding with Yogcast on this, though I've only just now heard Notch's side of the story, from which point I have heard any of the claims he's been making other than that Reddit post Wii60 mentioned.
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    Key words are 'they said'. They may have not actually done anything and may have just been joking around. Also I want to to know Notch's definition of kid because if they said this to a teen I'm pretty sure they were just joking.
    "They said" implies that they didn't actually do it.
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    I never did like Yogscast because to me it seemed like they were acting as if being british and having a female friend qualified them as ~~~fucking amazing~~~

    Time to rub this in my friend's face.
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  23. Post #23
    I spent 10$ and all i got was this lousy title.
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    But there isn't even any proof of it.

    I'm just saying we should wait to hear both sides of the story before we jump to any conclusions. Notch is just causing drama without ANY form of proof to back up his allegations, before even allowing the Yogscast to formulate a response.
    This, allegations are only from one side, without hearing both sides we truly can't "Pick" sides or take what notch is saying truthfully, i'll wait and watch what happens.

    And from what i've gathered from TB and others yogscast wasn't given any sort of "Censor out any bad language" sort of check.
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    I only ever enjoyed their magicka videos, the rest i didnt really like vv
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  25. Post #25
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    http://www.youtube.com/user/BlueXephos

    Refresh and watch the subscribers drop!
    All I saw was it go up by 1
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    I never did like Yogscast because to me it seemed like they were acting as if being british and having a female friend qualified them as ~~~fucking amazing~~~

    Time to rub this in my friend's face.
    why would you rub internet drama in a friends face, that's dumb
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    I never did like Yogscast because to me it seemed like they were acting as if being british and having a female friend qualified them as ~~~fucking amazing~~~

    Time to rub this in my friend's face.
    Complete exaggeration. Not in one of their videos do they ever gloat over being British or act like they're hot shit because of Hannah (I think that's her name?).

    But really, I cannot even begin to imagine Simon and Lewis doing all of the shit that Notch listed there-- it sound absolutely ridiculous, but then why would Notch lie?
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    why would you rub internet drama in a friends face, that's dumb
    because he licks the shit out of Yogscasts ass

    Edited:

    Complete exaggeration. Not in one of their videos do they ever gloat over being British or act like they're hot shit because of Hannah (I think that's her name?).

    But really, I cannot even begin to imagine Simon and Lewis doing all of the shit that Notch listed there-- it sound absolutely ridiculous, but then why would Notch lie?
    The FAQ on their channel does seem a little 'we're the yogscast fuck you'
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    because he licks the shit out of Yogscasts ass

    Edited:



    The FAQ on their channel does seem a little 'we're the yogscast fuck you'
    Well to be honest, wouldn't you get sick of the thousands of emails from 12 year old kids going "play wiv me plz yogscast i luv u simon and lewis!!!!".
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  30. Post #30
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    During Cobalt's discussion one of the guys said "shit" multiple times when they died while showing the game. Why isn't notch complaining about that?
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    I spent 10$ and all i got was this lousy title.
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    And so we have TotalBiscuits view on the matter.

    Looks like the witchhunt on both sides is in full swing, here's my two-pence on the latest developments, point by point.

    Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop.

    This really doesn't sound like the Simon and Lewis I know, who are generally extremely chilled out fun people, both online and in real life.

    They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid).

    Alright so, when you bring celebrities to a convention, do you generally ask them to come for free? If you run a Star Trek convention, do you ask Riker and Spock to attend gratis? You expect them to go without compensation, which usually includes transatlantic flights and accomodation for several people as well as an appearance fee? No, you don't. Conventions rely on the celebrities in question to bring people to the event, drive traffic to the stream and add value. Yogscast are not just a couple of random fans, this is their full-time job. I've been doing events for a while now as a commentator, if an event didn't offer to pay for my services I'd have to think twice about going. Why? Because it's my job, doing things for free devalues you and it's very easy to be taken for a ride if you act like a push-over. If it was down the road, sure, maybe. If it's half way across the planet, well yeah, I'd kinda want to get paid for doing that gig, as would pretty much every eSports commentator. Yogscast went to do a panel and sign autographs, that in itself is a service, not to mention the fact that it takes them away from their regular jobs. The fact that no-one else got paid does not indicate a problem with Yogscast, but with a multi-millionaire staffing a convention with volunteers. Having seen some of the footage from Minecon, "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company" is exactly how I'd describe Mojang and y'know what? I wouldn't even say that's a bad thing. The whole grass-roots "hey we're just one guy and his idea who made it big" thing is endearing and honest, but as we've just seen from this rampage, professionalism is not the highest priority of Mojang at the moment and they really don't know how to run a company. That line can be taken in many different ways, particularly coming from 2 British guys that are known to take the piss (like every British guy ever born).

    And they claim they're the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They're total dicks

    They are certainly the biggest driving force behind Minecraft at present, you only need to look at the view count. After Seananners stopped doing Minecraft content, Yogscast became a massive source of free promotion for the game. Their videos hit the frontpage of Youtube every day, showing Minecraft off on the second largest search engine in the world time after time. I'm not sure Notch fully grasps just how much that many views on Youtube can do for your product. To give another example, the Magicka developers told me that they attribute the majority of their sales to WTF is Magicka and The Yogscast and TotalBiscuit play Magicka. This would make sense, if you look at the views on those videos, they are massive. For an indie company, Youtube and word of mouth are the two biggest forms of free marketing available and guess what generates word of mouth? Well how about literally over a million people watching and talking about Yogscast Minecraft videos? If anything, Notch does actually sound a little ungrateful here which is a rather flabbergasting attitude from an indie dev and one I've never seen before (those who don't know, my main source of income is my WTF is series which hilights indie games, it's fairly well viewed and I've had nothing but gratitude from devs whose games I've promoted). I suppose when you get as big and as wealthy as Notch, the attitude can change.

    A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "fuck you" there instead.

    Welcome to Yogscast humour and more to the point, British humour. The easily offended need not to apply. How old was this kid? The Yogscast demographic is quite young anyway and there is plenty of harsh language in their videos, not to mention they would hear much worse on the playground. This sounds like a joke, not a particularly good one, but a joke none-the-less and not worth getting in a tizzy over.

    Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos.

    Well no, it's not Notch, you've bred one of the most retarded fanbases in gaming history. It's not your fault, but the entire Minecraft community is not in fact, about respecting and caring. There are subcommunities within it that are, /r/Minecraft is a great subreddit from what I can see, Yogscast also has a large community of it's own over on it's forums that does just as you describe. However, you also have a lot of immature, raging assholes in your "community" as well as plenty of others who are just out for themselves. Those people don't do massive charity streams like Yogscast do, they don't promote mods (and yes I am aware of the issues with the Yogbox, nobody goes through life without fuckups), they don't act as an extremely important stimulus to the community that you apparently love so much. Yogscast is without question one of the most important forces within not only Minecraft but at this point, gaming in general. They wield a massive amount of influence and they make a hell of a lot of people very happy.

    Who knows what actually happened, it will be interesting to see if the community points the pitchforks back at Notch after Yogscast is able to make their statement (they are probably still on a plane right now) and tell their side of the story. Everyone loves a good witch-hunt, but a little perspective here please and do we really have to air this dirty laundry in public?
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  32. Post #32
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    A thing to note is that, seeing as they're all returning from Minecon, they're all (understandable) tired. Being tired makes you do stupid things. Tomorrow should be a better day for all concerned to sort everything out, and I fully expect an alpology - or something along those lines - from both of them.

    It's true Notch blurted things out fairly un-professionally over twitter, but let's not forget that he started to explain things in a little more detail after he had Yogscast fans going on at him. In my opinion that probably caused him to get a bit mad - and having twitter there to reply to those confronting him didn't help in the slightest. It doesn't fully justify it, but it helps to explain.
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    because he licks the shit out of Yogscasts ass
    That doesn't make it any less dumb to rub it in his face.
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    I remember when titles used to mean something, now you can get one for a dollar, this all used to be fields, get off my lawn damn kids etc.
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    The FAQ on their channel does seem a little 'we're the yogscast fuck you'
    All they're saying in that is "don't ask to join us, we're not prepared to go through hundreds of messages asking if you can join in with us". The only way you could possibly decipher the obvious "don't contact us, we'll contact you" message as "we're the yogscast fuck you" would be if you were one of the twelve year olds who asks if you can join in with them and then gets rejected.
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    All they're saying in that is "don't ask to join us, we're not prepared to go through hundreds of messages asking if you can join in with us". The only way you could possibly decipher the obvious "don't contact us, we'll contact you" message as "we're the yogscast fuck you" would be if you were one of the twelve year olds who asks if you can join in with them and then gets rejected.
    I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.

    Hutch, Yogscast, SeaNanners, TheSyndicateProject.

    A small sample of those I dislike.
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    I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.
    They don't just talk over videos they play the games.
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    I'm pretty sure that almost everything Notch is complaining about is his 'enhanced' version of Simon and Lewis fucking around like they normally do

    Seriously, I remember them doing a podcast or something, and what made it actually funny to listen to was the occasional insult towards a fan or something.
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    I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.

    Hutch, Yogscast, SeaNanners, TheSyndicateProject.

    A small sample of those I dislike.
    I'm starting to doubt that you've ever watched any of their videos.
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    I never did like Yogscast because to me it seemed like they were acting as if being british and having a female friend qualified them as ~~~fucking amazing~~~

    Time to rub this in my friend's face.
    No man, they're not ~~~ fucking amazing~~~, they just have ~swag~
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